# I always knew Cheney was quick to temper after that, "Go fuck yourself,"... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164 "2006-02-12T21:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/61 "2006-02-13T03:30:35Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > I was coy about it because Ruth Merwin isn’t well known. And I think we all ought to remember why that is so. Like, because her death is totally fucking irrelevant to the mature man’s qualifications for public office? > [@](#): > > I offer no excuse for what Cheney did, but I won’t join the pile-on, and I do hope I’d extend a similar courtesy to a Democrat in a similar fix. How very generous of you. No doubt your prescience will allow you to spot the next 12-year-old killer who’s destined to become a leading Democrat and you’ll abjure all criticism of his bloodlust? ---
**Author:** ![Charger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df788c/32.png) [@Charger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charger)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/62 "2006-02-13T03:35:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Perhaps if Cheney had gone to Vietnam instead of getting all those student deferments he would have learned a bit more about handling weapons. > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Probably not. Using military-issue rifles in a war bears little in common with hunting quail with a shotgun. Isn’t the whole “Don’t shoot toward your buddies” rule kind of universal? I think that rule was established when the first caveman learned to throw a rock. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/63 "2006-02-13T03:37:38Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Seeing as someone was shot, the parallels are certainly there. > > Whether you’re twelve or 65, anyone handling a gun has the responsibility to handle it safely. Both of these incidents illustrate that. Yu can’t hold a 12 year old to the same level of responsibilty as a 65 year old. In the case of the former, you actually have to question the responsibilty of whoever handed the child the gun. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/64 "2006-02-13T03:39:19Z")
The writers for _The Daily show_ and _The Colbert Report_ must have soiled themselves when they heard this story. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/65 "2006-02-13T03:41:40Z")
> [@Maureen](#): > > Yeah, [one would hope.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=198728&highlight=Kennedy) Not an apt comparison. Kennedy at the time wasn’t criticized for simply getting into a car accident. He was criticized for not summoning help until the next morning, after he had had some shuteye and talked to a whole bunch of people, including his lawyer. Chappaquiddick wasn’t a simple accident, and you really shouldn’t portray it as such. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/66 "2006-02-13T03:43:10Z")
I plan to be MUCH more civil than the Pubbies were when they treid to impeach Clinton over a blowjob. That said: Out newest Olympic winter sport: Dick Cheney’s Ski Shooting Event. Contestants ride skimobiles, stop at various locations, and shoot at quails or … just anyone who happens to be nearby. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/67 "2006-02-13T03:44:57Z")
**Paul in Saudi** , how is this thead “anti-Western”? As a Westerner, I stand ready to be offended. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/68 "2006-02-13T03:46:21Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > I take exception to the anti-hunting, anti-Western, anti-gunsport tone to the discussion. Remarkably, not everyone lives the same way you (all) do. Some of us like living on a ‘ranch’(or ‘ranchette’) that does not make us a yokel. > > Some of us like to hunt. That does not make us fools. Some of us like to shoot. That does not make us brutes. (Although other actions might.) Huh? Maybe others ( **Martin Hyde** in dismising the ranch owner), but certainly not me. I’m not anti-hunting, anti-Western, or even anti-gun. I’m far to the side of gun-rights compared with most of this board, I generally support NRA positions and the NRA itself, I hated _Bowling for Columbine_, I’d like to go hunting sometime when I’m older and I’ve got the time, and I live and love the West. That said, Cheney was being a dumbfuck to not look at what he was shooting at before shooting it. I know that hunting is a very, very safe sport statistically, but it does require care and caution to avoid serious accidents. **Mr. Moto** , comparing the actions of a 12 year old to a 65 year old is asinine. Just admit, Cheney made a stupid and pittable error. Apparently the victim did as well. It doesn’t really reflect on his ability to be VP, I’m not calling for his resignation, I’m just pointing out that he did something really stupid and pitworthy. If you’re pro-gun, pit him for setting back your cause. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/69 "2006-02-13T03:56:45Z")
\*The law was very firm, it Took away my permit The worst punishment I’ve ever endured. It seems there was a reason, Cows were out of season And one of the hunters wasn’t insured.\* - Tom Lehrer ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/70 "2006-02-13T03:59:48Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Not an apt comparison. Kennedy at the time wasn’t criticized for simply getting into a car accident. He was criticized for not summoning help until the next morning, after he had had some shuteye and talked to a whole bunch of people, including his lawyer. > > Chappaquiddick wasn’t a simple accident, and you really shouldn’t portray it as such. :rolleyes: I was referring to your rather lofty assertion that you would never politicize a tragedy or jump on the pile on just because someone of opposing politics was involved. Such is obviously not the case. So how about we knock it off with the self righteous moral superiority, hmm? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/71 "2006-02-13T04:00:23Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Chappaquiddick wasn’t a simple accident, and you really shouldn’t portray it as such. Well, the parallels are certainly there. _What ever the hell that means._ ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/72 "2006-02-13T04:19:41Z")
No, there really aren’t any parallels. One one hand you have people who will defend a despicable individual despite the questionable nature of the entire incident and likely coverup, and on the other hand, Mr. Cheney accidentally injured a hunting companion. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/73 "2006-02-13T04:27:21Z")
My wife mentioned that Cheney had shot someone on a huntin trip. My immediate question was, “Was it LIbby?” ---
**Author:** ![Pope\_Bob\_The\_Pious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/97f17d/32.png) [@Pope\_Bob\_The\_Pious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pope_Bob_The_Pious)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/74 "2006-02-13T04:32:28Z")
Step 1: Get a bunch of quails or doves or whatever near Iranian nuclear facilities. Step 2:… ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/75 "2006-02-13T04:49:43Z")
> [@SuaSponte](#): > > Um, yeah, here’s the thing: > If the Vice-President shoots you, is it proper, either in terms of etiquette or the law, to return fire? It depends how you feel about the president pro tempore of the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/76 "2006-02-13T05:13:41Z")
I’m withholding judgement until I hear Alberto Gonzalez weigh in on whether the Vice President had the right to shoot another duck hunter. > [@JonScribe](#): > > Alert Secret Service agents grabbed the quail and wrestled it to the ground. You’re not finished. Put an “E” on the end of that word, young man… ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/77 "2006-02-13T06:12:45Z")
So did Cheney use every part of the guy’s body? ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/78 "2006-02-13T07:19:53Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > I didn’t realise you hunted quail with a shotgun. I mean, they’re pretty small birds, I would have thought the spread of shot would pretty much ruin the carcass for getting any meat off of it. Oh geez, now I’ve got a mental picture of a group of people trying to sight quail with glocks. And isn’t it funnier if the people you’re imagining are secret service? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/79 "2006-02-13T08:44:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t know if I did chide Kerry for this. And I don’t know if Cheney was operating his gun in an unsafe manner. You seem to be assuming that he was, which seems like quite a big assumption to make at this point. Are you saying it’s possible to accidentally shoot somebody in a safe manner? Or are you suggesting Whittington wasn’t shot by accident? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164/80 "2006-02-13T10:16:13Z")
> [@threemae](#): > > **Mr. Moto** , comparing the actions of a 12 year old to a 65 year old is asinine. I certainly don’t think this had any bearing on the races in 1952 and 1956. Thing is, though, the political system has changed so much that not only wasn’t this an issue back then, it was never mentioned at all, near as I can find out. Certainly no Republican of any stature made it a campaign issue, nor were there any whispering campaigns about this. Today, though, there certainly are people seeking to take political advantage of this accident. [Link.](http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=60875) If a politician today had shot a kid in his youth, the whole world would know about it. In some ways that means we are much better informed, but it also means we are dealing with a far more adversarial system where everything is politicized and pressed for maximum gain. **Little Nemo** , what I’m saying is that even when you are using your gun safely, there are small risks in these sports. The best you can hope to do is to minimize these risks in the actions that you take. Good hunters and shooters remember this always, and never presume that they are safe. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-always-knew-cheney-was-quick-to-temper-after-that-go-fuck-yourself/344164.md?page=5)