# I am \_really\_ looking forward to the next Bond movie... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 10, 2006, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892 "2006-10-10T03:25:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/21 "2006-10-10T21:17:24Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] There is nothing suave about Craig. [/QUOTE] You think [Hoagy Carmichael](http://images.google.com/images?q=%20%20hoagy%20carmichael&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wi) is sauve? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/22 "2006-10-10T21:20:48Z")
This gets trotted out again and again by Craig fans. “But Bond is supposed to look like Hoagy Carmichael!” Daniel Craig doesn’t look like Hoagy Carmichael. He has a square, pockmarked face, a thick nose and weird lips. There is absolutely nothing about [this picture](http://www.hoagy.com/images/pics/early_headshot_sm.jpg) that makes me think of Daniel Craig. Hoagy was a handsome dude. Craig doesn’t look like him. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/23 "2006-10-10T21:23:16Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] [QUOTE=Caridwen] I don’t find him ugly. I thought he was great in **Layer Cake**./QUOTE] You may not think he’s ugly, but hundreds of people seem to think he is. (Read the IMDB boards or any movie forums discussing Bond.) [/QUOTE] As a rule of thumb, I make all my informed decisions by looking for the predominant opinion on the IMDB boards, and going for the opposite opinion. The place just seems to be a magnet for morons (making it the doppleganger of the SDMB, seemingly 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/24 "2006-10-10T21:24:42Z")
Sure the people on IMDB are idiots. I won’t debate that. But idiots’ reaction to public news is not to be discounted. Even idiots can tell if someone is ugly. None of the idiots on Pierce Brosnan’s forum are saying that he is ugly. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/25 "2006-10-10T22:21:40Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] Hoagy was a handsome dude. [/QUOTE] Have you seen _To Have and Have Not_, fella? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/26 "2006-10-10T22:34:38Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] I just can’t see Craig pulling it off. He looks too much like a Russian thug. [/QUOTE] I’ve encountered a number of Russian thugs, and he doesn’t look the type at all. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/27 "2006-10-10T23:37:49Z")
Daniel Craig is uglyhot and most women I’ve talked to seem to agree. They’re also excited about the new Bond-- even the ones (myself included) who’ve never really cared for the series. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/28 "2006-10-10T23:43:33Z")
What’s uglyhot? ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2006, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/29 "2006-10-10T23:46:30Z")
Ugly in a hot way? I can see it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/30 "2006-10-11T00:01:03Z")
[QUOTE=romansperson] I agree (and I remember saying so in an earlier thread about it too). And I think at least part of the reason Q isn’t in the film is because the actor who played him for so long, Desmond Llewelyn, died. ☹ [/QUOTE] Maybe they can replace him with [this guy.](http://www.tulsawalk.com/parks-places/tulsa/trekexpo99/johndelancie-Q-02.jpg) For my money, [Casino Royale has already been done](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061452/), and with such sublime perfection that all subsequent Bond movies were pointless.\* And violated continuity. 😛 \*Unless the point of the Bond movies was simply to make a bucketload of money, of course. ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/31 "2006-10-11T00:01:18Z")
I liked Brosnan as an actor, but IMHO he only got two decent scripts (the first two). And I’d agree that a toning down of the gadgetry is in order. After you get to “invisible car,” where is there to go? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/32 "2006-10-11T00:17:06Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] Casino Royale has already been done [/QUOTE] Surely you jest, Sir. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/33 "2006-10-11T00:35:33Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Surely you jest, Sir. [/QUOTE] Did my link not work for you? I’ve seen it. I enjoyed it. I laughed my butt off. I can’t make those statements about any other Bond flick I’ve ever encountered. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/34 "2006-10-11T00:38:45Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] I laughed my butt off. [/QUOTE] I understand. I thought you were one of the die hard Bond folks being goofy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/35 "2006-10-11T00:39:52Z")
Oops. that should read “I can’t make those last two statements about any other Bond flick I’ve ever encountered.” Of course I’ve _seen_ other Bond flicks. I just didn’t think they were worthwhile. Enough of my threadshitting. If they want a Q for their Bond movies, they can hire John deLancie. That’s really all I have to contribute. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/36 "2006-10-11T02:57:56Z")
[QUOTE=Caridwen] Ugly in a hot way? I can see it. [/QUOTE] Yeah. Like Willem Dafoe. Chicks really dig it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/37 "2006-10-11T03:26:58Z")
I too am looking forward to less gadgets. The Bond movies seem to be as different from the novels as the Matt Helm movies were from the Matt Helm novels. And make no mistake, Helm from the novels could kick Bond’s ass. I don’t think Carmichal is handsome or ugly, just a normal looking guy. Maybe this Craig guy can bring it off. I wonder if they will keep the last line from the novel. The bitch is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/38 "2006-10-11T03:37:52Z")
[QUOTE=romansperson] I agree (and I remember saying so in an earlier thread about it too). And I think at least part of the reason Q isn’t in the film is because the actor who played him for so long, Desmond Llewelyn, died. ☹ [/QUOTE] Except that Llewelyn died before the last Brosnan film, Die Another Day. Q was played in that one by John Cleese, who was introduced in the prior film. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/39 "2006-10-11T17:38:40Z")
[QUOTE=Stranger On A Train] And my money is on Eva Green to be the best Bond girl since Diana Rigg. [/QUOTE] This is another casting choice I was disappointed in. She might be a good actress, of course; I’ve not seen her in any other movies. But looks-wise, meh. Not up to the usual Bond Girl standards at all. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892/40 "2006-10-11T17:42:16Z")
[QUOTE=romansperson] This is another casting choice I was disappointed in. She might be a good actress, of course; I’ve not seen her in any other movies. But looks-wise, meh. Not up to the usual Bond Girl standards at all. [/QUOTE] Are you kidding? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-_really_-looking-forward-to-the-next-bond-movie/375892.md?page=3)