# "I am a Morman" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 19, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709 "2011-12-19T03:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![UFC\_Is\_Sux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/46a35a/32.png) [@UFC\_Is\_Sux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UFC_Is_Sux)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/61 "2011-12-24T12:56:58Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > I’ve seen 2 or 3 “Come Back To The Catholic Church” ads tonight. Perhaps the priests wanted a second bite at the apple and/or there were some altar boys they didn’t get to bone the first time around. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn\_K\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Shawn\_K\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shawn_K_1)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/62 "2011-12-24T16:01:58Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If I may clarify from earlier, though, my point was that being anti-something isn’t inherently a slur. The Ten Commandments are objectively anti-murder, anti-adultery, anti-coveting, anti-theft, anti-lying - _and there’s nothing wrong with that._ If Mormons believe that homosexuality has been, from the foundations of the universe per the decree of God, so wrong that not only must they not practice it, but they must place legal impediments in the way of others who would practice it, then Mormons are objectively anti-gay - and they should be willing to own, and own up to, this truth. It’s just that Mormons feel being anti-gay is a Good Thing, and increasingly, most others don’t. Is there any particular reason they think it’s a good thing to be against homosexuality though other than "God and the LDS Prophet say so)? What would happen if the LDS church suddenly started endorsing homosexuality as a good, acceptable thing? Would the members of the church suddenly accept them with open arms? Lots of people think that homosexuality is a bad thing because: God says so. It’s gross. I don’t like the idea, Anatomically men and women were designed to fit together, etc. They’re not very compelling reasons to be anti-gay. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/63 "2011-12-24T17:06:10Z")
> [@Shawn\_K\_1](#): > > Is there any particular reason they think it’s a good thing to be against homosexuality though other than "God and the LDS Prophet say so)? If you believe in God, and believe he has opinions about such things, then other reasons pale in comparison, wouldn’t you say? ---
**Author:** ![Shawn\_K\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Shawn\_K\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shawn_K_1)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/64 "2011-12-24T17:56:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If you believe in God, and believe he has opinions about such things, then other reasons pale in comparison, wouldn’t you say? Well I can’t really argue with that. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/65 "2011-12-28T16:58:56Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If you believe in God, and believe he has opinions about such things, then other reasons pale in comparison, wouldn’t you say? A key question becomes why you accept someone else’s word for it that god holds X opinion. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/66 "2011-12-28T18:15:46Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > A key question becomes why you accept someone else’s word for it that god holds X opinion. That’s a question hardly specific to Mormons, though. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/67 "2011-12-28T18:43:02Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > That’s a question hardly specific to Mormons, though. No, but it means that we should feel free to evaluate people’s attitudes without regard for their claims that they get their opinions from a higher authority, because in the end everyone is his or her own higher authority. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/68 "2011-12-28T19:40:19Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I’ve been seeing L.D.S. ads on TV since I was a kid. They’ve been image-savvy for some time now. If they’re so image-savvy, how come people can’t spell “Mormon” yet? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/69 "2011-12-28T20:02:23Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No, but it means that we should feel free to evaluate people’s attitudes without regard for their claims that they get their opinions from a higher authority, because in the end everyone is his or her own higher authority. Well, sure. But if we’re evaluating Mormons _as Mormons_ (which seems to be more the conversation we’re having here), we have to assume not just a higher authority, but an LDS sort of higher authority. Or you can have the “your invisible sky pixie is telling you to believe some really stupid things” conversation, but that’s really a pretty short and uninteresting conversation. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/70 "2011-12-29T13:32:32Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Really? Who? Where? Yes. You. Post 54. > [@](#): > > It takes a bit more than mentioning the existence of Hitler or the Nazis to constitute a Godwin violation, you know. It’s simply intellectual laziness. Win arguments by invoking Hitler. Sure, technically you may have a point, but if that’s the best you’ve got, then it’s skating on thin ice. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2011, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/71 "2011-12-30T11:05:17Z")
> [@TokyoPlayer](#): > > Yes. You. Post 54. > > It’s simply intellectual laziness. Win arguments by invoking Hitler. Sure, technically you may have a point, but if that’s the best you’ve got, then it’s skating on thin ice. Failing to read and understand posts before criticizing them on any grounds (including this one) is intellectual laziness on _your_ part. Have you figured out yet just what argument (or point within an argument) I was trying to win by invoking Hitler? Because there’s the problem with your invocation of Godwin. You’re just \*assuming \*I was trying to do that, apparently without actually reading past the word “Hitler.” So kindly take your incredibly off-target invocation of Godwin and move on down the hall, OK? Oh yeah: Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler Hitler!!! There’s a dozen more Godwin violations for you. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2011, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/72 "2011-12-30T11:32:06Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > I believe the preferred term is “Mormaid”. As in “When life gives you Morms…” ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/73 "2011-12-30T14:14:13Z")
No, the real question is, ‘How do you justify making everyone else live according to what _you_ believe?’ No one has a problem with you believing whatever you wish, (based on a book, or a god fairy, or what your Mama said!) But how, exactly, is it that you think _your_ beliefs, though a minority opinion, should shape policy for everyone? Isn’t it the same question at the heart of the abortion debate? The gay marriage question? Don’t ask, don’t tell repeal? It’s almost like the devout Christian thinks his piety trumps democracy somehow. Doesn’t it come down to; this is a democracy and yours is the minority opinion? I can empathize that it truly sucks to feel so righteously correct and yet, have your opinions over ridden by the majority view. Just ask women who fought for abortion rights. It must suck all the more, when your long held views on such matters have enjoyed the protection of the majority position for so very long. ---
**Author:** ![GreenElf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@GreenElf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenElf)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/74 "2012-02-23T04:03:06Z")
Whatever happened to good old-fashioned used car commercials? I’d rather listen to a used car salesman make his pitch than hear about religion every 5 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/75 "2012-02-23T07:05:51Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Wasn’t Ernie Borgnine once married to Ethel Morman? > > 😉 It’s an O, dammit! Othel Morman. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/76 "2012-02-23T08:49:20Z")
Whenever I hear “My name is Kathy [or whatver], and I’m a Mormon” I just think of the stereotypical sitcom AA meeting _Apathetically_: “Hiiii Kaaaaathyyy…” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/77 "2012-02-23T14:41:21Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > …and a Mormon just _believes_. ::nods to Elder Price:: This place isn’t terrible for getting literary references, but so few pick up on the Broadway ones. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709/78 "2012-02-23T19:07:02Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > One near me even has a _black female Mormon_ on it. When did they get one of those? Hey, Gladys Knight is a converted Mormon. So far as I know, though, none of the Pips are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-morman/606709.md?page=3)