# I am a proud middle of the roader and damn proud of it **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316 "2019-11-12T04:44:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/41 "2019-11-12T17:29:49Z")
> [@Annoyed](#): > > Trump may be a dick but his politics is bog standard republican/conservative. Sure, let’s just sit back and reminisce about all the times that Reagan bent over to take it from the Russians… as gracefully summed-up in his famous and pithy quote on how he intended to proceed with Soviet nuclear disarmament proposals: “[Trust.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify)” ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/42 "2019-11-12T17:38:03Z")
I’m not just a middle of the roader, I’m a middle of the road extremist. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/43 "2019-11-12T17:50:51Z")
> [@bump](#): > > It’s not merely the platforms and elected officials. It’s the whole enchilada- the ones who don’t get elected, and also the state/local officials who are often much more extreme than the national-level party candidates. > > More importantly, it’s the people who go out saying this stuff who aren’t running for office, but who identify as Democrats and who the party doesn’t repudiate who convey this message. > > Another way to look at it is that every time someone who identifies as liberal/Democratic says “OK Boomer”, they’re conveying the message that they dislike the elderly, and if the party doesn’t check that, they’re tacitly endorsing that message and allowing those people to be pushed further from the party. Same thing for every discussion of white privilege that goes off the rails into finger-pointing, and anything along those lines. > > Basically the party’s doing a poor job of keeping the SJW/“Woke” crowd in check, or at the very least, saying “While we admire your zeal, the Democratic party doesn’t believe in certain aspects of your ideology and prefers a more inclusive approach”. > > Look at it this way… if you’re a middle class middle aged white man, what’s in the Democratic platform and rhetoric for YOU? Yes, you may want justice, and equality and all that stuff, but what’s in it specifically for you? That stuff is mostly academic for you, sitting on the top of the heap, so to speak. Cops don’t harass you, you are part of an economically powerful block, nobody discriminates against you, etc… Are the Democrats going to lower my taxes? Subsidize my kids’ college? Probably not- I probably make too much for them to want to help me with any of those things. > > That’s the point I’m trying to make- in the public perception, there’s not much that’s directly beneficial. Meanwhile the Republicans at least claim that they want to lower taxes, which is idiotic, but at least a direct “benefit”. **iiandyiiii** already answered your direct question, but I would put more stress on environmental protection than his answer did – it benefits everyone, with cleaner air and water, for example. Do you agree that benefits you? As for the rest of your post, I’m not sure what you want the Democratic Party to do – every time some random person on Twitter says, “I’m a Democrat and I hate white males”, are they supposed to try to have them banned or something? My issue with your original post and this one is that you’re painting the Democratic Party and their elected officials as extremist and then, when asked for evidence, essentially pointing to randos on Twitter. State and local officials come in all shapes and sizes – I imagine some dog catcher who ran as a Democrat may have said something offensive sometime, but since it’s so prevalent, I’m sure you have some examples, at least at the state level. I’d like to judge for myself if I should feel shunned as a white male. I’m not really interested for cites from the local level, though. There have been many examples of state-level Republicans saying and posting unbelievably shameful things, so I’m sure there are state-level Dems who do the same, and look forward to your cites. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/44 "2019-11-12T17:59:33Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Not from the OP but from other posts. Criticism of black people are not racist. They are human like everyone else. Just because you are black doesn’t mean that you are immune from criticism. That’s not racist. Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/45 "2019-11-12T18:00:10Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Another way to look at it is that every time someone who identifies as liberal/Democratic says “OK Boomer”, they’re conveying the message that they dislike the elderly, and if the party doesn’t check that, they’re tacitly endorsing that message and allowing those people to be pushed further from the party. Same thing for every discussion of white privilege that goes off the rails into finger-pointing, and anything along those lines. > > Basically the party’s doing a poor job of keeping the SJW/“Woke” crowd in check, or at the very least, saying “While we admire your zeal, the Democratic party doesn’t believe in certain aspects of your ideology and prefers a more inclusive approach”. > > Look at it this way… if you’re a middle class middle aged white man, what’s in the Democratic platform and rhetoric for YOU? Yes, you may want justice, and equality and all that stuff, but what’s in it specifically for you? That stuff is mostly academic for you, sitting on the top of the heap, so to speak. Cops don’t harass you, you are part of an economically powerful block, nobody discriminates against you, etc… Are the Democrats going to lower my taxes? Subsidize my kids’ college? Probably not- I probably make too much for them to want to help me with any of those things. > > That’s the point I’m trying to make- in the public perception, there’s not much that’s directly beneficial. Meanwhile the Republicans at least claim that they want to lower taxes, which is idiotic, but at least a direct “benefit”. If you want to vote Republican, none of us will know, and you will find yourself finally at peace to the extent that you voted in your own self interests. ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/46 "2019-11-12T18:02:39Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > I am a proud middle of the roader. > > I am sick and tired of \*\*ideological purity. I hate it. \*\* > Since the post-2014 US midterm elections and the rise of the \*\*ascendant American left \*\*with Bernie Sanders’ insurgent 2016 primary bid against the Democratic establishment favorite Hillary Clinton, who lost to Donald Trump, leftists online, especially the activist leftist Twitter, demonizes those in the center. Those with a center view on taxation, crime, etc. are threatened and called names online. You are a **“bootlicker”, “racist”, “fascist”**. And they wonder why people in general despise the far left. > > The right, the **Trumpian right specifically** , calls you a\*\* “communist”, “traitor”\*\* if you don’t align politically with the Dear Leader. You are a pawn for “Hillary/Obama/Holder”. > > I am sick of it. > > I hate purity. > > Let me tell you about centrism. > > Let me tell you about middle of the roadism. > > I have conservative and liberal views on certain issues. > > I believe that federal and state income taxes should be raised higher on the wealthy. > > I believe in funding schools and transportation. > > I believe in a national defense that is not the world’s police, but strong, equipped and agile to deal with the challenges facing America. > > I believe that America has race and social problems that requires reparations for slavery through a system conducted by the IRS to invest money in black ancestors of slavery and into communities that truly will make an impact, not throwing money at the problem. > > I believe that they are good police officers overall. The bad and corrupt police officers that kill unarmed people or are poorly trained, or have racial bias should be jailed and fired. I believe that community-police relations and fostering mutual respect between the two is better than people saying “Shoot the cops, kill the cops, punch the cops”. > > I believe that people should marry who they love and leave it to that. > > I am a middle of the roader. I am not a communist. I am not a fascist. > > Most Americans of all races are middle of the road. > > We are the exhausted majority and we are tired of being bullied by the extremes that get a larger voice than all the others. > > We are tired of Vox, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Breitbart and Jim Jordan dictating what politics is and isn’t. > > The left and right does not have all the answers to everything. > > \*\*Don’t tell me that I have no conviction. > > I have the conviction of realism and reason. I know what I know in my heart. \*\* > > [“Hidden Tribes,” the new report centrists are using to explain away polarization, explained - Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/22/17991928/hidden-tribes-more-in-common-david-brooks) > > [https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-dislike-centrists](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-dislike-centrists) > > [Profiles of the Hidden Tribes](https://hiddentribes.us/profiles) I hate to tell you this, but every one of the things you mentioned is now an attribute of the “radical left wing”. Like many, you have stood still while the reactionary right pulled the whole political discourse rug out from under you. You may be exhausted, but you are an exhausted liberal. Join the multitude. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/47 "2019-11-12T18:10:47Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > I’m not just a middle of the roader, I’m a middle of the road extremist. Like one of those militant pacifists, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/48 "2019-11-12T18:16:07Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Criticism of black people are not racist. They are human like everyone else. Just because you are black doesn’t mean that you are immune from criticism. That’s not racist. Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. Dude, that’s not even a statement that can be evaluated factually, much less “the truth.” What is shows is that you think people stand in for the social group they’re identified with, and that poor behavior by one person speaks to every member of that social group. When you’re acting that way about racial groups–especially in a way that reinforces centuries of oppression–that’s textbook racism. But this racism on your part doesn’t give white people a bad name, because you’re not speaking for white people. I encourage you to look at what you said and evaluate it fairly, without being defensive. If you can say, “Okay, I see what you’re saying,” and not do that, you’ve done good. But too often people get defensive and end up doubling down, and that wouldn’t be good. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/49 "2019-11-12T18:24:21Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Criticism of black people are not racist. They are human like everyone else. Just because you are black doesn’t mean that you are immune from criticism. That’s not racist. Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. The fact you are criticizing him for being black is the racist part. Why couldn’t you have just said that he gives sportsballers a bad name? (I have no idea who the hell he is) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/50 "2019-11-12T18:24:58Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. So, you choose to believe that Antonio Brown is an asshole because he is black and not because he may have neurological issues due to his career? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/51 "2019-11-12T18:27:39Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. How does Antonio Brown “give black people a bad name”? Do you believe that the actions of a single black person always reflect upon all black people? Do you believe similar things about white people? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/52 "2019-11-12T18:49:00Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Criticism of black people are not racist. They are human like everyone else. Just because you are black doesn’t mean that you are immune from criticism. That’s not racist. Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. Criticizing Antonio Brown might not be racist. Saying “Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name” is racist. The idea that an individual’s behavior reflects on an entire minority group is racist. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/53 "2019-11-12T19:10:19Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > …That’s not racist. Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. That’s racist. Holy fucking shit. Antonio Brown is capable of giving Antonio Brown a bad name. He isn’t giving black people a bad name like he isn’t giving people who have two eyes a bad name. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/54 "2019-11-12T19:12:36Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I would agree with you if the poster had said that the Democrats have their share of leftists and anti-white-male crusaders among their supporters, but the poster said that it’s the Party’s emphasis, and another poster has said it has been taken over. > > So, care to revise your reply? No. The next time a Doper says something along the lines of ‘the Republican Party has been taken over by white nationalists’ or ‘the Republican Party’s emphasis is on supporting fascism’ and I respond with “where in the party platform does it say anything about fascism or white nationalism?” are you going to say “ahh, shit, he’s got us there; it’s not in the platform, therefore it clearly can’t be the party’s emphasis and it’s not possible that the party was taken over by something that’s not explicitly spelled out in their platform”? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/55 "2019-11-12T19:14:24Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Google Tucker Carlson. I’ll just start there. > > HD, you may not be a racist. But the party you support sure as shit is. You may want to think about that. The post you quoted said “can you show me where **in the party platform** it says …”. AFAIK, Tucker Carlson isn’t in the Republican Party platform. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/56 "2019-11-12T19:21:25Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think there is room in the Democratic Party for anti-abortion voters, gun nuts, and fiscal conservatives. This is pretty much a strawman argument. There are plenty of Democratic voters, and elected officials for that matter, who support gun ownership and fiscal conservatism. Heck, the Democratic establishment as a whole is far more fiscally conservative than the irresponsible deficit-ballooning mix of tax slashing and military/porkbarrel spending that seems to be all Republicans know how to do these days. As for anti-abortion voters, AFAICT they make up over ten percent of Democrats, and there are even several anti-abortion Democrats in Congress. Moreover, even the most ardent pro-abortion-rights Democrat isn’t demanding that nobody can believe that abortion is morally wrong, just like we’re not saying that nobody is allowed to believe that same-sex marriage is morally wrong. We’re just saying that we need to defend the legal right to choose it, for those who **don’t** believe it to be morally wrong. Do you also consider that there needs to be “room in the Democratic Party” for voters advocating same-sex marriage bans, for instance? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/57 "2019-11-12T19:31:03Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Antonio Brown gives black people a bad name and it is the truth. Exactly which road are you in the middle of? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/58 "2019-11-12T19:39:22Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > No. The next time a Doper says something along the lines of ‘the Republican Party has been taken over by white nationalists’ or ‘the Republican Party’s emphasis is on supporting fascism’ and I respond with “where in the party platform does it say anything about fascism or white nationalism?” are you going to say “ahh, shit, he’s got us there; it’s not in the platform, therefore it clearly can’t be the party’s emphasis and it’s not possible that the party was taken over by something that’s not explicitly spelled out in their platform”? Well, somebody put a racist authoritarian in the White House. Wasn’t me or any of my fellow Democrats. Not sure how many white supremacists voted for Democrats in recent elections; A lot supported Trump Republicans, I’m told. Very few Democrats were for child separation at borders, denying abortion to women, marriage to gays and bathrooms to trans-gendered. Republicans seem to have managed that on their own without our help or writing it down as official policy. Now, which egregious anti-white-male policies have been enacted by my fellow Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/59 "2019-11-12T19:40:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > No. The next time a Doper says something along the lines of ‘the Republican Party has been taken over by white nationalists’ or ‘the Republican Party’s emphasis is on supporting fascism’ and I respond with “where in the party platform does it say anything about fascism or white nationalism?” are you going to say “ahh, shit, he’s got us there; it’s not in the platform, therefore it clearly can’t be the party’s emphasis and it’s not possible that the party was taken over by something that’s not explicitly spelled out in their platform”? I have no idea why you’re white-knighting that poster. Anyway, do you think the Democratic Party’s emphasis is anti-white male? Do you think it has been taken over by leftists? Because I don’t see the evidence. Anyway, I didn’t just ask for a cite from the platform, I also mentioned any prominent Democrat. Did you seen where I wrote “elected Democrats”? For example, Steve King is a white-supremacist elected Republican, so that could be a cite, if an insufficient one, that Republicans emphasize or have been taken over, etc., by white supremacists – this is not my position, but it’s at least a cite that mentions an elected official on the national stage. Why did you ignore my part about “elected Democrats” to focus exclusively on the platform? I think that if leftists had taken over the party, there would be evidence in the platform, but that wasn’t the only evidence I was willing to accept. Anyway, this doesn’t seem like it will be productive, since you’re in no way a moderate, so I’m hoping **bump** or the **Yankees** guy decides to respond. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316/60 "2019-11-12T19:44:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > No. The next time a Doper says something along the lines of ‘the Republican Party has been taken over by white nationalists’ or ‘the Republican Party’s emphasis is on supporting fascism’ and I respond with “where in the party platform does it say anything about fascism or white nationalism?” This is also kind of a strawman argument. “Bothsidesist” rhetoric trying to pretend the “far left” is equivalent to the “far right” tends to ignore the fact that the locus of the radicalism is very different in the two cases. Leftwing “radicalism” arguing for, say, completely open borders and outlawing fossil fuel companies is manifested in a fringe of nobodies tweeting on the internet. Real radicalism in the form of proposals for, say, disenfranchising white men is an even more negligible fringe. Rightwing radicalism arguing for white nationalism, banning Muslims, closing the Mexican border, etc., is manifested in major conservative media such as Fox News and in the White House. And Republicans who support Trump are implicitly endorsing this radicalism. No, neither party platform officially endorses any really radical ideas. But those who say that the Republican Party has been “taken over” by extremism are making a much more realistic statement, in terms of actual influence and power, than those who say the same thing about the Democratic Party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-a-proud-middle-of-the-roader-and-damn-proud-of-it/843316.md?page=4)