# I am confused about Alex Jones' lawyer's "mistake" in sending all of Jones' phone contents to the plaintiffs **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 4, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096 "2022-08-04T15:34:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/270 "2022-10-13T16:50:46Z")
He would have to create joinder, or else you’d only be able to take assets that belong to ALEX JONES, not Alex of the family Jones /s ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/271 "2022-10-13T17:08:34Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Alternately … Jones isn’t the only person who’s made money off his sliminess. Can web service providers, etc., effectively be barred from carrying his crap by holding them liable for these damages? That’s a hard no, and a little examination would show that that’s a Good Thing. Chasing down the money will be a lot harder, because the wealthy have written the rules and have knee-capped any actions that can usually be taken. Or made them so complicated that it will take decades for the cases to come to a Final, No More Appeals, Cash Now point. There are “things that can be done,” but they are illegal, immoral and get your soul as slimy as Jones’. So in all likelihood this will just feed his grift. The big win is that it establishes precedent that can be used to go after slimeballs with less deep pockets or who haven’t planned that far ahead. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/272 "2022-10-13T18:00:15Z")
Since this is a Civil Verdict, the FBI would not get involved, would it? I do think very smart lawyers will be looking very hard for ways to collect. They have money due too, right? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/273 "2022-10-13T18:03:46Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Alex of the family Jones As established in the famous case Sly v. The Family Stone ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/274 "2022-10-13T18:05:17Z")
I understand chasing down money he has hidden offshore will be difficult but surely his present and future earnings should be easy to seize, right? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/275 "2022-10-13T18:07:41Z")
A court should be able to garnish wages. Income from the grift will be harder, since the money doesn’t go to Jones but to one of his shell companies. It will take time and a buttload of money to get at those. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/276 "2022-10-13T18:24:38Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Since this is a Civil Verdict, the FBI would not get involved, would it? Only if he committed a crime in the process of trying to hide his assets. If it can be shown that he engaged in something like interstate wire fraud (as just one example), that’s the FBI’s jurisdiction. If he obstinately refuses to pay anything and just ignores everyone demanding that he pay, then in theory the court can ask the US Marshal service to collect. For those who are sure that Jones is going to get away without having to pay anything, what in this entire process convinced you that he is smart enough to pull that off, and hires competent (and loyal) people to handle his affairs? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/277 "2022-10-13T21:46:29Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > and hires competent (and loyal) people to handle his affairs? Definitely facts not in evidence given the title of the thread. I wonder if the details on any of those numbered off shore accounts were on his cellphone. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/278 "2022-10-14T00:55:04Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Or made them so complicated that it will take decades for the cases to come to a Final, No More Appeals, Cash Now point. The real world equivalent of Jarndyce v Jarndyce. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/279 "2022-10-14T00:56:12Z")
IRS and the G-men, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/280 "2022-10-14T02:40:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > If he trusts his wife enough, That would be the wife who divorced him not so long ago? Yeah, not too worried about that! > [@Atamasama](#): > > and hires competent ( **and loyal** ) people to handle his affairs? Having Alex Jones’ bagman run off with all his money would be the one time I don’t mind embezzlement. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/281 "2022-10-14T10:17:11Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > That would be the wife who divorced him not so long ago? Yeah, not too worried about that! I thought he had a new one but my interest in his personal life is nil so I dunno. It boggles the mind that any woman might find him attractive, although I suppose his wealth might have been a draw up to now. Going forward - not so much. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/282 "2022-10-14T12:33:08Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Jones has been planning on something like this happening for years. But he also perjured himself re that cellphone. I’m hoping they nail him in that and he spend the rest of his life in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/283 "2022-10-14T15:06:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I thought he had a new one but my interest in his personal life is nil so I dunno. He does. > **[Who is Alex Jones' wife, Erika Jones?](https://www.the-sun.com/news/4342801/who-is-alex-jones-wife-erika-jones/)** > > CONTROVERSIAL radio host Alex Jones tied the knot with his second wife, Erika, in 2017. While he’s busy making headlines, she often avoids the spotlight, but his fans still want to know more … They got married in 2017, two years after he divorced his ex-wife Kelly in 2015. Erika and Alex don’t necessarily get along so great either though. > **[Alex Jones' wife arrested on domestic violence charge](https://apnews.com/article/austin-arrests-conspiracy-alex-jones-c24378d474f3edce6bf9f54e24f9bce6)** > > The wife of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones was arrested Christmas Eve on a domestic violence charge that the right-wing provocateur says stems from a “medication imbalance.” Also, the year earlier… > **[Prosecutors reject drunken driving charges against conspiracy theorist Alex...](https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2020/09/28/prosecutors-reject-drunken-driving-charges-against-conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones/42700447/)** > > Travis County prosecutors have opted not to pursue charges against controversial conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who... > The deputy was responding to a call from Jones’ wife, who reported they were in an argument that had been a physical fight earlier in the day, the affidavit says. She said Jones left the residence in a black Dodge Charger and that he was possibly drinking, the affidavit says. Was a “medical imbalance” involved there too? (Maybe it was [prescription sake](https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/us/alex-jones-infowars-dwi-charge/index.html).) Anyway, it seems like they have a shaky relationship. I can’t imagine that a marriage where they are beating each other up is particularly solid. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/284 "2022-10-14T15:18:03Z")
Interesting article in today’s New York Times about how the families can collect. Basically, they have several options. The best scenario for the families, and really society as a whole, would be for his company to be liquidated. They can also garnish his wages, or sell their judgements to investors, who can then try collecting on the debt themselves. But, of course, all these would likely involve another set of lengthy court battles. > Lawyers for the families say they are confident Wednesday’s sweeping judgment would survive the process intact. But an appeal could still put the brakes on the families’ ability to collect the money while giving Infowars time to devise a strategy for avoiding collection when the judgments are final, legal experts said. > > “The more time a debtor has, they can throw up smoke screens and obfuscate and conceal and hide,” Ms. Reilly said. [The Sandy Hook Families’ Looming Battle for Alex Jones’s Millions - The New York Times (nytimes.com)](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/us/politics/alex-jones-finances.html?searchResultPosition=3) ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/285 "2022-10-15T04:21:07Z")
Yeah, not likely to be the sort of person he’s going to funnel all of his money to on the pinky swear understanding that they will give it back to him when he asks for it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/286 "2022-10-17T17:17:00Z")
LegalEagle just uploaded a new video about the $1B verdict: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/YI5orKCzz58/maxresdefault.jpg "Alex Jones's Billion Dollar Bad Day (And Why It's Going To Get Worse)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI5orKCzz58) I haven’t even had a chance to watch it yet. It must have gone up in the last couple of hours because it wasn’t there earlier today. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/287 "2022-10-17T17:44:36Z")
I have now watched the video, some interesting takeaways that I didn’t realize before… 1. The nearly $1B against Jones is solely compensatory damages. Money that he owes the plaintiffs due to the damage he caused. They haven’t even done punitive damages yet. I thought that the amount already included it. There is another trial set for November to determine what (if any) punitive damages there will be. (That is where the [CUTPA](https://portal.ct.gov/DCP/Trade-Practices-Division/About-the-Connecticut-Unfair-Trade-Practices-Act-CUTPA) might kick in.) 2. Unlike the previous case in Texas, Jones didn’t even show up to this one. He offered no defense, evidence, witnesses, anything. He just boycotted the damages trial in Connecticut. 3. While the compensatory damages amount awarded by the jury can be appealed, courts are reluctant to reduce the amount a jury awards. So, in all likelihood, this is what he will owe. The same can’t be said for any punitive damages that might be awarded later. A judge decides on an amount, and that is often reduced on appeal. But still, that’s huge. He will probably end up actually owing all of this money. 4. As we said before, Jones is claiming that bankruptcy is a magic spell that will solve all of his financial problems. But even that is going poorly. The same shenanigans that he is doing with shell corporations to hide his money is getting him in hot water in bankruptcy court. The courts are now investigating all of that. His attempt to file for bankruptcy may backfire, as he’s opening himself up for scrutiny in a way he surely hadn’t intended. The DOJ is watching all of his corporations like a hawk. With all of that info, it’s looking like he isn’t going to be able to weasel his way out of paying this. He’s going to be broke. Poor fella! 🥲 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/288 "2022-10-17T18:26:39Z")
It was also pointed out that a possible reasons that the Compensatory damages were so high in this case is that the jurors may have seen what happened in Texas (even though they probably weren’t supposed to) and wanted to make sure that this wasn’t going to happen under their watch. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/289 "2022-10-17T18:42:19Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > He’s going to be broke. Poor fella! 🥲 I hope so! I didn’t watch but heard that he was laughing his head off about the verdict and telling his followers that he wouldn’t have to pay. And moving his assets into shell companies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096.md?page=15)