# I am confused about Alex Jones' lawyer's "mistake" in sending all of Jones' phone contents to the plaintiffs **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 4, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096 "2022-08-04T15:34:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/61 "2022-08-04T22:02:27Z")
Thank you (and @Dewey_Finn) for the clarification; the push notification on my phone didn’t make that clear. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/62 "2022-08-04T22:11:10Z")
The fact the January 6th Committee is now interested in these phone records is delicious. Imagine if this lawyer’s screwup is what puts a bunch of the instigators behind bars. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/63 "2022-08-04T22:23:33Z")
> [@Mr.E](#): > > Imagine if this lawyer’s screwup is what puts a bunch of the instigators behind bars. Or… this lawyer’s heroic and patriotic action… ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/64 "2022-08-04T22:25:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Or… this lawyer’s heroic and patriotic action… That was my first thought. Was it an accident? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/65 "2022-08-04T22:28:17Z")
It sure as heck wasn’t an accident that they did not respond with a corrected link and/or request to return the data within 10 days. Compete and utter incompetence, or deliberate? WE report, YOU decide! ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/66 "2022-08-04T22:29:18Z")
He was probably such a loathsome toad that he made his own lawyer ill. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/67 "2022-08-04T22:53:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Perhaps no competent lawyer would agree to represent a bottom feeding scum-sucking waste of skin like Alex Jones? ie; they were the best of what he could get. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, “I refuse to hire a lawyer who would have me as a client.” > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Funny, but… you knew this was the Dope uh? 🙂 Of course, I figure that isn’t legitimate, which was somewhat the humor of the show. Surely “put a dollar in my pocket” doesn’t actually mean anything; it’s a total schlock lawyer move and showed what kind of attorney he was. But at least Saul made the effort! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/68 "2022-08-04T23:04:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I can’t think of much that is more offensive than what Alex Jones did. I expect the Punitive damages will be higher. I’m hoping the amount ordered is some Calvin-esque number. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/69 "2022-08-04T23:07:43Z")
Maybe Alex Jones and Amber Heard could tour as The Biggest Losers. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/70 "2022-08-05T00:08:41Z")
To be totally fair to Jones’s lawyer, he is not the original lawyer Jones had and he wasn’t around for the discovery phase. He is the ELEVENTH lawyer and I think he didn’t come on board until after the default judgement was made. He’s stuck with 10 lawyers’ worth of bad decisions plus Jones. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/71 "2022-08-05T00:12:24Z")
That was actually surprisingly entertaining to watch. Couple of my favorite bits paraphrased Regarding Jone’s lawyers request for time to go through the 300GB of data and specifically indicate what was privileged to stop it being disclosed/used further going forward (time=17:56) **Lawyer:** Can I have 10 days to go back and do this? **Judge:** Well we’ve still got more trial to go through so see what you can get done by the end of the day. **Lawyer:** That’s an awful lot to get done in one day **Judge:** Well if you had disclosed them a year ago like you were supposed to you would have had plenty of time. Regarding disclosure to other government officials (19:04) **Jones’ Lawyer:** Can we at least have a hold on disclosure of these documents until I can designate which ones are confidential? **Judge to Sandyhook Lawyer:** Who are you turning these documents over to? **Sandyhook lawyer:** The January 6th committee. **Judge to Jone’s lawyer: I** don’t know if you could stop that anyway **Jone’s lawyer:** Well if they subpoenaed them we certainly would hand them over. **Judge:** Well they’re going to now. They know they exist. They know they have them. I think they are going to get them either way. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/72 "2022-08-05T00:24:33Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Yeah, that’s what I’m wondering about. Could Jones get an injunction against media distributing his text messages from the court record? No, not if it’s newsworthy. News coverage is fair use. Jones would be fighting an uphill battle if all he is claiming rights in are short messages. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/73 "2022-08-05T00:55:27Z")
I can’t tell anymore if he’s making the best of a bad situation or slyly burning his client to the ground. Take this quote: > Last week, Mr. Jones’s lawyers argued that the national discourse had become so polluted by disinformation that it was difficult to discern truth from fiction. > > “He had seen what he perceived as so many lies and so many cover-ups and so much hand-washing of the facts that he had become biased,” said F. Andino Reynal, his lawyer. “He was looking at the world through dirty glasses. And if you look at the world through dirty glasses, everything you see is dirty.” That’s right up there with “please don’t send my client to jail for murdering his parents; he’s already suffered so much being an orphan.” > **[What to Know About the Alex Jones Defamation Case](https://www.nytimes.com/article/alex-jones-trial.html)** > > The Infowars host has already been found liable in lawsuits filed by the families of the Sandy Hook school shooting victims. A trial this week will determine how much he owes them. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/74 "2022-08-05T01:27:04Z")
> [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > > “He had seen what he perceived as so many lies and so many cover-ups and so much hand-washing of the facts that he had become biased,” said F. Andino Reynal, his lawyer. “He was looking at the world through dirty glasses. And if you look at the world through dirty glasses, everything you see is dirty.” > > That’s right up there with “please don’t send my client to jail for murdering his parents; he’s already suffered so much being an orphan.” Growing up, one of the big divides between Democrats and Republicans was the matter of personal responsibility. You would watch almost any movie or TV show by a lefty, with a drug dealer, criminal, or bad guy and invariably the story would make sure that you knew that he’d been abused as a child, corrupted by others - the system, society, other kids, etc. - and should be viewed as an innocent, helpless against the forces that mislead him. On the Republican side, the view was simple: If you don’t want to go to jail, don’t commit crimes. You’re responsible for your choices and you will pay for them. Maybe this is the start of this element of philosophy moving from the right to the left. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/75 "2022-08-05T01:38:46Z")
I must be too young to remember the golden age of Republican personal responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/76 "2022-08-05T01:49:26Z")
> **[reagan.com](https://www.reagan.com/ronald-reagan-and-personal-responsibility)** > > Ronald Reagan on Personal Responsibility and it's impact today. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/77 "2022-08-05T01:57:17Z")
Must have been before Oliver North Or Tricky Dick Nixon I’d be on board with Eisenhower (I like Ike!) but that was pre-Civil Rights Act and Southern Strategy, i.e. modern Republican strategery. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/78 "2022-08-05T01:58:28Z")
> I didn’t know the texts used at trial were texts between Jones and his lawyers. So yea, that’s a colossal fuckup and easily correctable. The texts are apparently _every text Jones had sent from his phone over the last two years_… it might include some to his lawyers or not, I’m not sure > WHEN NEWS BROKE that Alex Jones’ attorney had royally, cartoonishly, breathtakingly crapped the bed, [sending](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/03/us/politics/alex-jones-trial-sandy-hook.html) a copy of Jones’ phone and _two years_ of text messages to the [Sandy Hook families who are suing him](https://www.wired.com/story/alex-jones-lawsuit-will-help-redefine-free-speech/), From [Alex Jones’ Accidental Text Dump Is Hilarious—and Alarming | WIRED](https://www.wired.com/story/alex-jones-accidental-text-dump-is-hilarious-and-alarming/) ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/79 "2022-08-05T02:02:24Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > he is not the original lawyer Jones had and he wasn’t around for the discovery phase. He is the ELEVENTH lawyer and I think he didn’t come on board until after the default judgement was made. Jeez - I get one bad lawyer, shame on that lawyer I get two bad lawyers, shame on my luck I get three bad lawyers, shame on the system I get four bad lawyers, shame on the law … I get eleven bad lawy… wait a second here, maybe it’s me? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096/80 "2022-08-05T02:09:25Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > > [@Morgyn](#): > > > > he is not the original lawyer Jones had and he wasn’t around for the discovery phase. He is the ELEVENTH lawyer and I think he didn’t come on board until after the default judgement was made. > > Jeez - > I get one bad lawyer, shame on that lawyer > I get two bad lawyers, shame on my luck > I get three bad lawyers, shame on the system > I get four bad lawyers, shame on the law > … > I get eleven bad lawy… wait a second here, maybe it’s me? - [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Ubw5N8iVDHI/hqdefault.jpg "He chose... poorly") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-confused-about-alex-jones-lawyers-mistake-in-sending-all-of-jones-phone-contents-to-the-plaintiffs/969096.md?page=5)