# I am dreading Election day **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 21, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558 "2024-09-21T16:06:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/121 "2024-09-26T19:29:23Z")
BTW, @madmonk28, saying two opposite things in the same paragraph (“The U.S. needs to fall fast and Trump can make it happen” and “I am not supporting Trump or the rapid fall of the U.S.”) does not mean that we do not understand you. It means that either you are a blithering idiot, or you think _we_ are blithering idiots. Which is it? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/122 "2024-09-26T20:36:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It means that either you are a blithering idiot, or you think _we_ are blithering idiots. Whoa! Dial it back, please. Madmonk28 is not a blithering idiot. We’re all very frustrated here, and for very good reasons (if you’re not, you’re not paying attention). Madmonk is providing a useful, larger-time-scale perspective, using provocatively pessimistic word choices, as is perfectly understandable, given the _facts._ On some level, I’m sure we’re all feeling similar – yes, **contradictory** – feelings. If you have appendicitis, you want the agony to end, but do you want to have someone cutting into your body? That doesn’t sound like fun either! Not a perfect analogy, I know, but justified anger → seemingly contradictory desires, especially when we all still have at least a little hope for a brighter tomorrow, for the US and for the world. I found the posts more clear-eyed than most – so that contradiction was barely noticeable to me. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/123 "2024-09-26T21:00:26Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Madmonk is providing a useful, larger-time-scale perspective, using But isn’t this the same perspective of the Trumpists who want to blow it all up, though expecting a different outcome? On one hand Madmonk seems to be saying the US should collapse and a better world will rise like a phoenix from the flames while, on the other hand, the authoritarians think that everything should be blown up and a nice, tidy, orderly world - favouring the strong - will rise like a phoenix from the flames. Both views are simplistic and unrealistic, are they not? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/124 "2024-09-26T21:10:50Z")
> **[North Carolina removes 747,000 from voter rolls, citing ineligibility](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/north-carolina-removes-747-000-175056838.html)** > > North Carolina’s State Board of Elections has removed 747,000 people from its list of registered voters within the last 20 months, officials announced Thursday in a press release. The State Board of Elections in the release said the majority of those... Oh, so it’s a case of: > [@](#): > > “By failing to collect certain statutorily required information prior to registering these applicants to vote, Defendants placed the integrity of the state’s elections into jeopardy,” the GOP lawsuit read. Or wait, maybe that’s disengenuous poppycock, and that I’m pretty sure that North Carolina’s State Board of Elections are aware of how the vast majority of those voters would have voted. ---
**Author:** ![BayLeaves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@BayLeaves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayLeaves)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/125 "2024-09-26T21:56:50Z")
If he was younger I would like Bernie Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/126 "2024-09-26T22:47:30Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > Both views are simplistic and unrealistic, are they not? They are. Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t quite get a “phoenix from the ashes” vibe from Madmonk’s post. More along the lines of my post using Hungary as an example. More quickly get to where the US, in various ways, is the locus of _lowered expectations,_ where that 47% is no longer seen as a harbinger of doom, but it’s just who we are…and then, maybe, we can build up a little from there, to something a little better, but at least honest about the raw materials we have to work with. Something like that. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/127 "2024-09-26T23:15:26Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > More quickly get to where the US, in various ways, is the locus of _lowered expectations,_ where that 47% is no longer seen as a harbinger of doom, but it’s just who we are…and then, maybe, we can build up a little from there, to something a little better I, myself, don’t like the idea of destroying democracy. Trump, and his followers seem to be fine with the idea. Clear thinking people know that putting a narcistic egomaniac in power is not likely going to lift the general population up. In that case, when the water rises, not all boats will rise. Many will still be anchored, can’t move and will sink. That 47% crawled out from under their rocks to support that moron, is very, very troubling. I will be happy to help them in anyway possible. But when they refuse help again, and again, what are you gonna do? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/128 "2024-09-27T00:13:19Z")
Far too many years of being told by others what people are “really” meaning and saying, far too many years of being told by others that I am not getting the “real” gist of what someone is saying-I’ll tell you what I want. I want the person who pisses me off to come here and tell me, _without seeming contradiction_, what they “really” mean. Not Trump mouthpieces, not Vance press secretaries, and certainly not _you_. Either we need to hurry up and dump our current situation down the drain, with Trump being the best way to go about it(and with absolutely no idea what the result is going to be), or we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/129 "2024-09-27T00:41:34Z")
For fucks sake, @madmonk28 is actually doing volunteer work at a democratic party campaign office. What are you doing, you ponderous asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/130 "2024-09-27T00:50:46Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > For fucks sake, @madmonk28 is actually doing volunteer work at a democratic party campaign office. I can thank them for that service (which is extremely commendable) and also lambast them for the unhinged rhetoric here. People can do great things and shitty things, and they don’t excuse each other or cancel each other out. I work in state government and work with people who do a great job keeping the government running, making things better for our citizens, and at the same time hating the Democratic governor they work for and lamenting the fact that Trump isn’t POTUS (while also spreading and believing in Qanon-type conspiracy theories). People are complicated and can and will take actions and hold beliefs that are contradictory from each other. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/131 "2024-09-27T01:22:03Z")
Yeah, ok. It’s the pit and I like Madmonk, and don’t like Czarcasm ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/132 "2024-09-27T01:33:21Z")
Be careful what you wish for; you may indeed get it. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/133 "2024-09-27T01:53:03Z")
The only possible upside I can see to a Trump presidency is that maybe a big chunk of the 47% that vote for him will look on in horror at what they’ve wrought and will say “never again”. But I doubt even that would happen. And if it did it would probably be too late. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/134 "2024-09-27T02:01:28Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > The only possible upside I can see to a Trump presidency is that maybe a big chunk of the 47% that vote for him will look on in horror at what they’ve wrought and will say “never again”. Why would that happen? They voted for him twice before and now all of a sudden you expect them to look in horror after seeing what he did the first time they voted for him? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/135 "2024-09-27T02:06:16Z")
Are there points in history where people tossed everything out the window _without an actual plan to replace it with something else, but just to watch the other side have a shitfit no matter what happens_, and have the results turn out positive? ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/136 "2024-09-27T02:07:10Z")
Not if things are pretty much like last time, no. But if we do change into a fascist Christian theocracy, I hope some of those 47% regret it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/137 "2024-09-27T02:14:30Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > We are clearly and rapidly approaching the end to America’s global hegemony and we need to be thinking how that collapse impacts all of humanity. The ones that cause the collapse need to be thinking, _period_, and Trump is not the best catalyst at all for that supposed eventuality-he is by far the _worst_. A Trump-type downfall of this nation will definitely put the far right powerful in charge. You need to quit thinking “seesaw” and start thinking “a nasty push off a cliff onto the rocks below” when it comes to a fast collapse with that man as the catalyst. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/138 "2024-09-27T02:15:47Z")
They are much more concerned with who it upsets, and not who it benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/139 "2024-09-27T02:19:55Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > For fucks sake, @madmonk28 is actually doing volunteer work at a democratic party campaign office. What are you doing, you ponderous asshole. For fucks sake, I am responding to their post, not their reputation. If this is a matter of you not liking me, btw, start a thread and tell me why. If you have a legit complaint, maybe I can do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558/140 "2024-09-27T02:30:20Z")
It’s going to be stressful AF. But its really looking like a Harris win is the likely outcome. I’m even daring to the think jusst might not be close. Not that it would not be stressful if Harris has a clear lead in the swing states going into election day, but a 50-50 polling (which it has been for most of the year) would be unbearable. In terms of MAGA contesting it, of course they will but unless it’s very close (basically a narrow Harris win in a Republican dominated state deciding the electoral college) that will amount to a bunch of shrill whining from a collection of man babies, which I am looking forward to listening to. They aren’t stealing this one if they lose by multiple states and they are having a revolution whatever they claim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-dreading-election-day/1007558.md?page=8)