# I am going to switch to FOX for a week or two. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 28, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717 "2018-07-28T03:42:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/21 "2018-07-30T03:18:09Z")
> [@betterlifethroughchemistry](#): > > The recent Gallup/Knight study that put Fox News as the most balanced…[https://kf-site-production.s3.amazonaws.com/publications/pdfs/000/000/242/original/KnightFoundation\_AmericansViews\_Client\_Report\_010917\_Final\_Updated.pdf](https://kf-site-production.s3.amazonaws.com/publications/pdfs/000/000/242/original/KnightFoundation_AmericansViews_Client_Report_010917_Final_Updated.pdf) No, the Gallup/Knight study did NOT “put” Fox News as the most balanced. It merely said that Fox News was cited by more Americans as balanced…not surprising since it’s watched by more Americans, which says something about our ability to discern “balanced” news media. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/22 "2018-07-30T03:48:21Z")
I was greatly disappointed to find out that “Fox and Friends” wasn’t a fun kid’s show. ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/23 "2018-07-30T07:11:38Z")
Why not watch something with ACTUAL balance? I suggest: Anything from any foreign country that is not an enemy of the USA. Any ally or any neutral-ish country will do. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/24 "2018-07-30T11:18:23Z")
Just to be clear, my previous post would apply equally to me if I were embarking on this. It occurred to me after the fact that it might come of as my assuming I’m better than others, but I’m not. I actually was just describing what I myself would do. Oh, and I don’t doubt that the liberal may be sincere, but that doesn’t mean Fox isn’t using them for the purpose I described. There was one recent guy who admitted that he knew that they were doing something like this, but that he thought he could maybe persuade some business owners (and he said that most business owners watch Fox), and that was worth it. That is, until they wouldn’t call the child concentration camps wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/25 "2018-07-30T11:27:27Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > I couldn’t watch Fox exclusively for any length of time, though, without becoming stabby. To be fair, this is also why I don’t tend to watch CNN or MSNBC. In CNN’s case its not because of a partisan bias; it’s because their news presentation is sensationalist, trivial and stupid, with lots of flashy ads jumpcutting enough to induce an epileptic fit. In MSNBC the information content was fine but the smug was overwhelming (admittedly I gave up on them in the Olbermann days). I don’t trust any one source enough to get news exclusively from them. Even the BBC is tainted these days. Any story of interest I can’t crosscheck is suspect. ---
**Author:** ![DummyGladHands](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DummyGladHands](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DummyGladHands)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/26 "2018-07-30T11:50:53Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > Whenever I watch CNN or MSNBC for any length of time I flip over to Fox during the commercials to see what their take is. If it isn’t complete hogwash, then I stick around until the end of the segment. Most often I find their take to be painfully distorted and factually incorrect, but occasionally I learn pertinent facts or perspectives on an issue that CNN and MSNBC are avoiding. MSNBC in particular seems to feel no obligation whatsoever to present the opposing viewpoint. > > I couldn’t watch Fox exclusively for any length of time, though, without becoming stabby. This. And I typically ask the MSNBC junkie, he who controls the remote, to switch over. Or I go into another room to check out Fox. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/27 "2018-07-30T13:34:05Z")
> [@betterlifethroughchemistry](#): > > LOL, this is so funny…you hardly watch Fox, but you know that, “very little content is actually “news” almost all of it is editorial”…as compared to the editorial shows on CNN and MSNBC…and, um, Mike Wallace passed away in 2012, he was best known as one of the founding journalists on 60 Minutes, Chris Wallace is his son, and the host of Fox Sunday… :smack: Yes, Chris Wallace. But I don’t need to watch it to know what the format is. I didn’t watch the Tour de France this year, but I know who won each of the various jerseys (yellow, green, polka dot, and white). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/28 "2018-07-30T13:43:01Z")
> [@betterlifethroughchemistry](#): > > LOL, this is so funny…you hardly watch Fox, but you know that, “very little content is actually “news” almost all of it is editorial” As repeatedly and openly stated by FoxNews themselves. It’s not something that requires extensive analysis to discover, you know. > [@](#): > > …as compared to the editorial shows on CNN and MSNBC… Did you miss this statement **that you quoted**? > [@John Mace](#): > > And that’s not particularly unusual for cable news. Yes, there is lots of editorial content on cable news channels. Again - not exactly a revelation. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/29 "2018-07-30T13:44:36Z")
The news this morning is that Michael Cohen is totally unreliable as a witness. The argument seems to be: because Giuliani and Lindsay Graham say so. To be fair, I did not quite catch the details and I am at least interested in other perspectives on the Mueller investigation. I agree with the poster who said FOX seems to aimed at people with a low education level. It does seem like it depends which segment you tune into- some come across as fairly normal news headlines, but some of it is propaganda for people who never heard of the bare assetion fallacy. I appreciate it that the hot presenter this morning is at least sitting behind a desk. It was a good thing I had to turn it off and go to work the other day- the presenter’s skirt was so short, I was about to pop a boner! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/30 "2018-07-30T14:18:05Z")
At a hotel my wife and I used to stay in on occasion, the TV in the breakfast room in the morning was usually tuned to a local NBC affiliate, which was typical news: a little national news, a little local news, traffic, weather, some local human-interest stories…just the basics plus some pleasant stuff with your breakfast. Every now and then, someone would switch the channel to Fox News. And (this was 2016) it would be nonstop Hillary Emails or Clinton Foundation or whatever the Hillary Is Eeevil story of the day was, with the clear goal in mind of making viewers pumped up to get their hands around Hillary’s neck and squeeze. If I’d been the rude sort who was willing to ruin other people’s breakfasts, I’d have stood up next to the TV and refuted the Faux News talking head, point by point; it wasn’t that hard if you were well read on the subjects they were discussing. Instead, I went over to the front desk, pointed out that the TV was on Fox News, noted the difference between their approach and the local news, and requested that the TV stay on a local channel during breakfast. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/31 "2018-07-30T17:16:20Z")
> [@DavidwithanR](#): > > Why not watch something with ACTUAL balance? I suggest: Anything from any foreign country that is not an enemy of the USA. Any ally or any neutral-ish country will do. Yes. I’m surprised how often Google News points to London news sites for the best information about events in America. And, I’m not sure about “enemies” — the best news sites are often Al-Jazeera, or even RT! BTW, one needn’t turn on CNN to see liberals misconstrue economic figures to avoid giving credit to Trump — _it’s quite commonplace right here on this message board!_ The truth is on our side; why the need to exaggerate or mislead? (I don’t mind misleading _average_ voters—only exaggerations have a chance to get through to them—but let’s not lie among ourselves on this intelligent message board.) > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > … (I haven’t seen any network suggest that a $1 trillion deficit represents ~5% of the GNP, while GDP is only a segment of the American economy. In the big picture we are actually in the hole, though one might argue that “fake growth” is better in the near to mid term while “recession right this minute” really sucks, right now.) (I realize this was just a parenthetical tangent, but what does “GDP is only a segment of the American economy” mean?) ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/32 "2018-07-30T18:52:10Z")
GDP represents econimuc activity that occurs within US borders. GNP represents total US economic activity worldwide. Wiki blurb: > [@](#): > > When a country’s capital or labour resources are employed outside its borders, or when a foreign firm is operating in its territory, GDP and GNP can produce different measures of total output. In 2009 for instance, the United States estimated its GDP at $14.119 trillion, and its GNP at $14.265 trillion. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/33 "2018-07-30T19:13:06Z")
(I honestly thought there was a bigger difference between these figures before you asked…) ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/34 "2018-07-31T04:40:27Z")
I got a good dose of Tucker Carlson tonight with his guest Lou Dobbs. First Tucker did a segment on Trump Derangement Syndrome. It was another one if those libruls are crazy bits. It was a lot of simple accusations, though I found the video of the guys smashing Trump’s star on the Walk of Fame to be at least good TV. Tucker’s got his dander up and there they are, “liberals” on film committing vandalism. And here’s another video at the same site, only now there are street brawls. You go, “liberals”! /sneer Bit then it was, “Liberals support MS-13!” and I was back to admiring how shameless they are. It certainly is manipulative. And they really are good at it. They have a set of buzzwords they always return to, kind of like strange attractors in chaos theory. Liberals. Democrats. Socialism. Jobs. America. The arguments aren’t built on facts, but on playing people’s emotions by dinging these touchstones. I think the audience must feel badly about something to consume this much neener-neener towards “liberals.” It is a drama they keep returning to. Dr. Drew might say this is indicative of re-living some trauma. I can only speculate what that might be… ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/35 "2018-07-31T14:29:24Z")
I was at a bar last night and they had Fox News on one of the TVs. My friends and I sat there dumbfounded as we watched (with the sound off) “The Liberal Sherpa” with Tucker Carlson and talk about how “men who eat meat are more desireable” - along with several ridiculously thick cuts of steak which they literally waved around during most of the segment. From where we were sitting it absolutely looked like a parody comedy sketch. Did you see that bit? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/36 "2018-07-31T15:37:00Z")
I do not recommend watching Fox for any length of time. It’s similar to going to just one Jim Jones cult meeting or one Scientology meeting. They want you to sell your soul. Resist! ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/37 "2018-07-31T15:51:07Z")
I can’t take it, I definitely lean conservative but Fox is just a bunch of bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/38 "2018-07-31T18:21:26Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > I was at a bar last night and they had Fox News on one of the TVs. My friends and I sat there dumbfounded as we watched (with the sound off) “The Liberal Sherpa” with Tucker Carlson and talk about how “men who eat meat are more desireable” - along with several ridiculously thick cuts of steak which they literally waved around during most of the segment. > > From where we were sitting it absolutely looked like a parody comedy sketch. > > Did you see that bit? I did. The discussion revolved around either a study or just consideration of the idea, I don’t recall which, that men who order big steaks in restaurants were more desirable in a primal way to women, even vegetarian women. The steak waving was to test the theory with different cuts, “Do I seem more masculine with this bone-in ribeye? No, how about with this huge NY strip?” They seemed to be trying to use the words “man”, “meat”, and “impressive” in the same sentence in as many combinations as possible. The Sherpa insisted at one point that a man could come across as just as masculine waving a carrot around in that manner as a NY strip. To all you FOX critics out there, I did not really understand incels until I started this little experiment 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/39 "2018-07-31T18:24:07Z")
Personally I’d tend to assume women prefer men who don’t wave their food around at the table. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2018, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-going-to-switch-to-fox-for-a-week-or-two/818717/40 "2018-07-31T18:33:56Z")
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