# I am not a murderer, mutantmoose. You, however, are a twit. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 23, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040 "2009-04-23T00:42:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/21 "2009-04-23T01:59:04Z")
[QUOTE= nyctea scandica] One should examine the difference between wild animals (such as deer) and species which have been domesticated and raised for thousands of years by humans solely as a food source (cows, chickens - which are not animals which you will find free in the wild). [/QUOTE] So what about deer who multiply unreasonably and are in danger of destroying their own habitat unless culled? Or maybe deer just TASTES better than beef sometimes, and the easiest way to get it is to hunt it. ---
**Author:** ![mutantmoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a87d85/32.png) [@mutantmoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mutantmoose)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/22 "2009-04-23T02:03:08Z")
> [@](#): > > And some like to to hire others to do their animal killing for them. > Those two groups insultingly cover everyone except plant murdering vegetarian fiends. > > Personally, I can live without the insults. It’s not an insult, it’s a fact. He kills because he likes to kill. People who work in slaughterhouses also kill. But they do it as a job, they have to do it because it pays their wages. Hunters do it as a hobby, in their spare time. I never insult, no matter what anyone says to me. I’m always unfailingly polite. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/23 "2009-04-23T02:04:52Z")
[QUOTE=mutantmoose] What the fuck is that supposed to mean? How can you die free? [/QUOTE] Well, in the context of the comment I’d say the translation (for the sanity impaired) would be something along the lines of ‘The deer is free to roam about in the wild until killed by a top predator…the same way it’s ancestors. Not so much with cows or pigs who generally lead pretty miserable lives prior to becoming your meal’. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/24 "2009-04-23T02:05:35Z")
> [@nyctea scandiaca](#): > > What, then, _do you_ call the unjustified killing of a wild animal? > > Of course, you probably justify this killing by saying that you’re going to eat the animal. > > Which would be justifiable if you lived in a time and place where you could only get meat by hunting it. But that doesn’t apply anywhere in modern America. > > One should examine the difference between wild animals (such as deer) and species which have been domesticated and raised for thousands of years by humans solely as a food source (cows, chickens - which are not animals which you will find free in the wild). I know people right now, who are too poor to afford meat in the winter (due to increased utility bills) from the store. Growing up, MY family was too poor for quite some time to afford meat from the store, so my parents’ friends who hunted gave us their extra. There are plenty enough people in this country who still need hunted meat to supplement their diets. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/25 "2009-04-23T02:11:25Z")
What is up with condemning hunters but eating meat. I will blink blankly into space until someone justifies this position to me. Because it is\* bullshit.\* ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/26 "2009-04-23T02:15:55Z")
> [@mutantmoose](#): > > It’s not an insult, it’s a fact. He kills because he likes to kill. People who work in slaughterhouses also kill. But they do it as a job, they have to do it because it pays their wages. Hunters do it as a hobby, in their spare time. You know, there’s a lot more to hunting than pulling a trigger. Perhaps you’d know that, if you knew anything about hunting. > [@mutantmoose](#): > > I never insult, no matter what anyone says to me. I’m always unfailingly polite. And ‘murderer’ is what, a pet name for **Skald**? You’re both a fool and a liar, and I suffer neither silently. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/27 "2009-04-23T02:24:50Z")
You’re a troll, moose. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/28 "2009-04-23T02:33:13Z")
You’re no moose, troll… -XT ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/29 "2009-04-23T02:40:25Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > And ‘murderer’ is what, a pet name for **Skald**? In before the “it’s not an insult if it’s true!” dodge. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/30 "2009-04-23T02:53:36Z")
> [@Skald the Rhymer](#): > > I put unnatural in quotes because slaughterhouses are artifacts of man and have as much claim to being natural as beaver dams and bee hives. Thank you! I’m glad I’m not the only one to have noticed this. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/31 "2009-04-23T03:09:11Z")
Maybe vegetarians have some small moral right to condem hunting for food. And even I am willing to condem a guy like Dick Cheney who goes out and kills 200 crippled birds and a lawyer with a shotgun in an afternoon. But as a meat eater who condems hunting for food as murder, mutantmoose can’t be considered anything other than a murderer as well – one who hires killers. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/32 "2009-04-23T03:24:13Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > What is up with condemning hunters but eating meat. I will blink blankly into space until someone justifies this position to me. Because it is\* bullshit.\* Yeah, what’s that supposed to be called? Murder for hire? Contract killing? I second the bullshit call. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/33 "2009-04-23T03:28:36Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Maybe vegetarians have some small moral right to condem hunting for food. [/QUOTE] I’ve never figured out how vegetarians have the moral high ground over hunters. Where does this concept come from and how does it work? I’m asking here, not trying to be snarky (I know, unusual stance for me, but I’m on in a 12 step program). Why would vegetarians have a moral right to condemn hunters and hunting, especially hunting for food? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/34 "2009-04-23T03:32:03Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I’ve never figured out how vegetarians have the moral high ground over hunters. Where does this concept come from and how does it work? I’m asking here, not trying to be snarky (I know, unusual stance for me, but I’m on in a 12 step program). > > Why would vegetarians have a moral right to condemn hunters and hunting, especially hunting for food? > > -XT I’m not totally convinced of this myself, but at least they aren’t being hypocrites about it. They live to the same standards of their professed belief. I do believe this gives them some better moral (or ethical?) standing than mutantmoose. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/35 "2009-04-23T03:46:42Z")
True enough. I still think he’s just yanking everyone’s chain. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/36 "2009-04-23T03:48:56Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Maybe vegetarians have some small moral right to condem hunting for food. And even I am willing to condemn a guy like Dick Cheney who goes out and kills 200 crippled birds and a lawyer with a shotgun in an afternoon. Well, Whittington didn’t die. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/37 "2009-04-23T03:50:23Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] Well, Whittington didn’t die. [/QUOTE] How do we know that?? Chaney could have had him cloned… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/38 "2009-04-23T03:59:25Z")
Seems to me that killing an animal and eating it is at least facing up to the fact that the animal is dying because of one’s eating habits. To eat food from the store, or from McD’s is not facing up to this issue. I have a young female relative, who did a hunting/shooting/gun safety course in order to be able to go out and kill a moose - not that she needed the meat, but because she felt that ethically, as a meat eater, she should at least once do the hunting, killing, skinning, gutting and butchering herself, so that she knew what was entailed by her dietary choices. **Moose** , have you ever killed and eaten something? If you haven’t, you’ve never stood there with blood on you hands and thought ‘I did this. It was alive and now it’s dead, and I did it’. At least **Skald** \* has the chops to do the deed. If you’re gonna eat meat\*\*, either hunt, or shut up about hunting. - Let’s fire up the time machine and go hunting! I bet Mastodon tastes like chicken. \*\*I respect the opinions of vegetarians on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/39 "2009-04-23T04:01:57Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Well, Whittington didn’t die. I didn’t mean Whittington. He survived. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040/40 "2009-04-23T04:02:26Z")
> [@BellRungBookShut-CandleSnuffed](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **Kimmy\_Gibbler** > > Benefit of the doubt?!? Slowness to anger?!? A sense of proportion?!? > > > > Is this your first time on the Internets? > > a/s/l?? I’m gonna guess 32/f/San Francisco 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-murderer-mutantmoose-you-however-are-a-twit/494040.md?page=3)