# I am not a troll, sock puppet, parodist or satirist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2002, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823 "2002-08-07T19:10:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/61 "2002-08-07T21:50:30Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Taggert_**They (the founding fathers) did not have extra marital affairs…** –parentheses mine. …except for Thomas Jefferson, who had more than one child by one of his slaves. I submit that you don’t know whether other founders had extramarital affairs or not, because the press of the day, though free to do so, would never have written about such things. > [@](#): > > **Now is the time we must watch for this time to drive to Bagdad and oust the leader of all things evil, Saddam Hussein.** Saddam Hussein, the ultimate Liberal? I think not. He is more like you than like me (not that I am the ultimate anything). With him, as with you, there is only one way to think…_his_ way. I, on the other hand, think that you have a right to your opinion, and unlike you, I don’t question your patriotism just because you disagree with me on how to deal with the enemies of America (your sanity, maybe, but not your patriotism 😃 ). In another thread (and I’ll find it if I have to) you stated flatly that liberals are traitors. If you don’t know better than that you are a fool. If you do know better you are a liar. Some thought you were a satirist, but you have eliminated that option. > [@](#): > > **Liberalism, the allowance of a wide variety of divergent ideas and permissiveness, is the very antithesis of focusing our national will and strength behind the vision of one leader to > protect our way of life and vanquish our enemies.** The First Amendment was written expressly to allow for dissent. You seem to think that any deviation from your philosophy should be stamped out with the power of the government. Not to squelch dissent, as you seem to say, is “permissiveness.” That is the philosophy of a dictator. I don’t think that most conservatives would agree with you. Of course, you have no difficulty finding extreme individuals who seem to. > [@](#): > > **There is an Axis of Evil in the world founded by Evil Doers. In this battle, you are either with us, or against us. You are either prepared to accept the glory of our leader’s goals, or > sap his strength through aimless inquiries into fully vetted past history.** With us or against us, eh? There are two sides to any issue with you. Those who accept your philosophy…and Evil Doers. Do you actually read what you write, Taggert? You read like a cartoon. > [@](#): > > **We must privatize social security so that we have fresh investment flowing into the stock market so that these various accounting fraud cases do not bring down more companies.** Sure, let’s turn over our future to the very people who _perpetrated_ the accounting frauds, or do you think they’ve all been rooted out now by their arch enemy, our führer (excuse me, that’s “leader” in English) George W. Bush? You speak of him as if he ruled by devine right. (Well, he “rules” from the right, but it ain’t devine.) > [@](#): > > **We must break unions that sap our productivity and ability to compete with third world nations.** Yes, join with the hypocrite Reagan and bust the unions. Bring back sweat shops! That’ll return America to it’s former conservative greatness! > [@](#): > > **We must eliminate the minimum wage so that employers in this country do not need to move manufacturing oversears (more than it is) and keep these jobs here.** Sure! Why make Chinese laborers suffer when we can pay coolie wages right here and have our own people suffer? Hey, it would have the double benefit of putting more profit in the pockets of the already rich _and_ staunch the flow of illegal immigrants. Make America less attractive and those pesky aliens won’t _want_ to come here anymore. Wait a minute…I’ve seen the light. You’ve got me! TAGGERT FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004…we dare not wait a moment longer! WOW! While I was writing this and then previewing it somebody must’ve fed the hamsters and the thread doubled after **Scylla** ’s post. If anybody already said any of this…and better…I apologize for repeating. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/62 "2002-08-07T22:00:43Z")
I don’t care what he is, except the fact that he’s annoying. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/63 "2002-08-07T22:05:47Z")
**Guadere** , my original post (and congrats on looking them up and applying them) about the Constitution only mentioning God in the non-establishment and freedom of worship clause of the first amendment is not at all inconsistent with my position that we are a nation nevertheless under God’s special protection and that we simply don’t have an official religion, but are in fact Christian. **Jodi** , I apologize if I have offended you, I did not mean to. My point was simply that fiscal conservative is a meaningless phrase as used in politics today. You don’t hear anyone saying that they are a fiscal liberal, everybody mouths off about wanting balanced budgets, low taxes, etc. I do not doubt for a moment your conservative credentials and fine Republican credentials, even if you don’t agree with me. I can see how what I wrote quickly didn’t come out like I meant it, which was to point out how liberals claim to be something that they definitely aren’t, and I apologize. **Beagle** Umm, just cause I speak the truth about the missile defense program doesn’t mean that I don’t believe it is necessary to pursue it now for the exact reasons I have stated. I am not being satiric. As you mentioned, I crank this stuff out quickly, if I were trying to be funny, I’d need to be Robin Williams _and really wired_ if I weren’t serious. Conservatives will readily admit that the 80s Star Wars program was not designed to really work in the 80s, but was designed to get the Soviets to seriously come to the bargaining table or be bankrupted. That is still what is going on. The fact that the stuff will work years from now doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be developing it fully to get our adversaries to do the same. Stealth technology was first noticed at the end of the 1940s in the form of the Northrup flying wing. It was 40 years later that it first proved its effectiveness in battle and was continually worked on at least as early as the 60s in the form of the Blackbird, which was, like the flying wing, incidentally stealth. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/64 "2002-08-07T22:06:08Z")
Wanna contribute to the Godiva chocolate fund, Guin? ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/65 "2002-08-07T22:11:49Z")
Look, people who find me annoying: Put me on your ignore list? Repeating over and over again that you find me annoying is, well, annoying. Oh. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/66 "2002-08-07T22:12:27Z")
actually, **minty** if you think about it for a moment, we all have our ‘crosses to bear’ as it were, and poor **december** simply cannot be relied on to carry the brunt of the “frighteningly conservative” crowd on his lonesome when we have quite the store house of “I never promised you a rose garden” liberals running around. pull up a chair, I believe the beer is here. ---
**Author:** ![Abe\_Babe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3ab097/32.png) [@Abe\_Babe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abe_Babe)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/67 "2002-08-07T22:13:17Z")
> [@](#): > > posted by taggart Swift > But conservatives view liberty as the freedom to do the right thing, not the wrong thing. New funniest quote of the week for me. ---
**Author:** ![Largo62](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@Largo62](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Largo62)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/68 "2002-08-07T22:16:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by taggert \* > \*\* I have never on this board attacked another poster personally, even if they were a commie sympathizer. It shows the weakness of the argument if someone attacks me personally, and I count that as a win. \*\* You called everyone who holds a liberal opinion (by your definition) a traitor. That _is_ a personal attack on every one of your detractors, and to deny that you have attacked anyone makes you a liar. If my saying so is a personal attack on you, so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Godfrey\_Daniels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Godfrey\_Daniels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Godfrey_Daniels)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/69 "2002-08-07T22:31:33Z")
Perhaps as **peasea** and **Ferrous** claim, “subtle satire” has been precluded. But Taggert’s sarcasm is vicious and unrelenting. I fail to see it any other way. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/70 "2002-08-07T22:34:15Z")
**DesertGezer** Welcome back. I would submit that we have no knowledge except what we have evidence about, which includes Franklin admitting his philandering, and accusations against Jefferson, which he did not admit. The press absolutely wrote about the accusations against Jefferson.\*\* **I absolutely do think that liberalism amounts to a betrayal of American ideals, and I agree wholeheartedly with conservative spokesmodel Ann Coulter on this. Am I calling individuals on this board traitors? Of course not. That would be rude. To find my previous statement, use the search function. I did not call you or anyone else individually a traitor. Nor have I ever called Saddam Hussein a liberal. He is an Evil Doer, a dictator like Hitler, but not as suicidal.** quote: Sure, let’s turn over our future to the very people who perpetrated the accounting frauds, or do you think they’ve all been rooted out now by their arch enemy, our führer (excuse me, that’s “leader” in English) George W. Bush? You speak of him as if he ruled by devine right. (Well, he “rules” from the right, but it ain’t devine.) \*\*DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! My opponents are the first to compare our side to Hitler, that, under SDMB rules is an automatic forfeit! The Social Security Trust fund belongs to the people who are taxed to fund it, and they should be able to invest it however they want. They can get a much better rate of return in the equity markets. Thank God Bush is a brave enough leader to keep advocating this constantly and not running from it. \*\* quote: We must break unions that sap our productivity and ability to compete with third world nations. Yes, join with the hypocrite Reagan and bust the unions. Bring back sweat shops! That’ll return America to it’s former conservative greatness! \*\* YES! Let’s recreate the conditions that gave us Andrew Carnegie and John Rockerfeller \*\* quote: Sure! Why make Chinese laborers suffer when we can pay coolie wages right here and have our own people suffer? Hey, it would have the double benefit of putting more profit in the pockets of the already rich and staunch the flow of illegal immigrants. Make America less attractive and those pesky aliens won’t want to come here anymore. Wait a minute…I’ve seen the light. You’ve got me! TAGGERT FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004…we dare not wait a moment longer! \*\*Now you are just being sarcastic. Working hard is not suffering, and yes, it would help those wealthy people who want to invest in creating more jobs. And eliminating the minimum wage would staunch the flow of illegal immigrants. Yes, you are beginning to catch on. If nominated I will not run, if elected, I will not serve. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/71 "2002-08-07T22:46:04Z")
Is it impossible to hold right-wing views on this board without being dismissed as either a troll or a satirist? Not to defend some of the thing **taggert** has said in terms of my personal opinions, but the SDMB would be a much more worthwhile forum for political debate if contributions from both sides of the political divide were considered equally valid by the powers-that-be. At the minute it’s liberals falling over themselves to say the same thing 10 times in many threads, while conservatives/right-wingers are marginalised. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/72 "2002-08-07T22:47:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RTFirefly \* > \*\*Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t the Conservative Party in Britain been around somewhat longer than the U.S. of A.? > > Yeah, I know it’s a nitpick. But I didn’t have anything else to add that hadn’t been better said by others. 🙂 \*\* Jefferson founded the Democratic Republicans sometime before he became President. This same party has continuously been in existence and is now the Democratic Party. When was the Conservative Party in the UK founded? [http://www.conservatives.com/party/history.cfm](http://www.conservatives.com/party/history.cfm) suggests that it traces its roots back to 1783, but it seems to be a splinter faction of the Whigs, who were also a prominent American party up until the Civil War. DesertGezer, if someone insists on taking personal affront at one of my posts, despite assurances that I do not intend to personally affront them, I’m not going to make that my problem. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/73 "2002-08-07T22:57:16Z")
Blah blah blah blah blah fucking blah. Serious or satirical is, by this point, irrelevant. You’re that guy at the party standing in the corner talking loudly, except nobody knows exactly what you’re saying any more because we’re just tired of the noise. For the love of Cecil, get over your bad self. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/74 "2002-08-07T23:05:58Z")
**IJGrieve:** Even if he were an actual conservative–which he is not–taggert would still be a complete dumbfuck. There are many, many conservative posters around here whose _intelligent_ contributions to the discourse are valued and respected. taggert is just another asshole who gets off on provoking a response. And any response will do just fine, at least until he’s ejected from the party. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/75 "2002-08-07T23:06:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IJGrieve \* > \*\*Is it impossible to hold right-wing views on this board without being dismissed as either a troll or a satirist? > . \*\* not at all. Right wing/conservative posters whose views are generally not dismissed as trolling and/or satirist include (not a complete list) \*\*Jodi, Fenris, Anthracite, Scylla, Izzy, ExTank, Uncle Beer, \*\* etc. etc. (these were names I was pretty damn sure I could spell 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/76 "2002-08-07T23:14:58Z")
WRING, I will have a glass of the pilsner and a couple of the hot wings. 🙂 After I finish these, I’m heading for the exit. Rememer, chil’ren: “Never wrestle a pig; you’ll both get dirty and the pig likes it.” ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/77 "2002-08-07T23:39:31Z")
Maybe I’m getting completely whooshed here, but I was inclined to respond as though a poster who’s said over and over that he is serious is, er, serious. **wring:** I doubt those posters would consider themselves conservative in the way **taggert** is (or is pretending to be) conservative. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/78 "2002-08-07T23:42:09Z")
I have to disagree with most of the folks here - I think he is funny. No idea if he is really a liberal or conservative (or, quite possibly, completely apolitical) - obviously the whole thing is a joke. I don’t see why those who don’t find it amusing are so upset - there’s so much here that is not amusing - but there’s also a lot that is - read that. It is true that I don’t recall having encountered this before - it could be that it wears out after a while. But if it wears out too many people the audience will fade. Meanwhile let it ride. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/79 "2002-08-07T23:42:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\ ***IJGrieve:** Even if he were an actual conservative–which he is not–taggert would still be a complete dumbfuck. There are many, many conservative posters around here whose _intelligent_ contributions to the discourse are valued and respected. taggert is just another asshole who gets off on provoking a response. And any response will do just fine, at least until he’s ejected from the party. \*\* Wow, what child of yours did I kill and eat? “Complete dumbfuck”, “asshole”, “ejected”. No arguments in there that I can see. Intelligent contributions to the discourse … valued and respected indeed. You will notice that my brand of conservatism doesn’t include calling the people I am debating with names. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2002, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/80 "2002-08-07T23:49:47Z")
I should add that if the guy keeps doing this in forums like GD or GQ that it should be stopped - that’s not what those forums are about. But if a guy wants to start a wacky thread in the Pit, either read/post or move on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823.md?page=5)