# I am not a troll, sock puppet, parodist or satirist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2002, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823 "2002-08-07T19:10:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/81 "2002-08-08T00:01:46Z")
GD isn’t about political debate? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/82 "2002-08-08T00:04:47Z")
If somebody swears up an down that this is what they really feel, and then it turns out they were pulling your leg, that’s not satire, that’s a liar. So, if that’s what taggert says, you pretty much have to take him at face value. Though his earnest and polite endorsements of untenable positions are reminiscent of a certain anti-snip activist that used to hang around. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/83 "2002-08-08T00:09:22Z")
Thank you Scylla. But what is an “anti-snip activist”? ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/84 "2002-08-08T00:16:59Z")
I don’t know **Scylla** , when it’s as obvious as this, it’s all part of the joke. But even if you call him a liar - at least he’s an amusing liar. I’m utterly amazed that some people seem to be taking this at face value. Even forgetting the political stuff - Ann Coulter is hotter than Jeane Kirkpatrick? Come on. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/85 "2002-08-08T00:22:22Z")
Bah. Taggert is obviously a conservative pretending to be a liberal pretending to be a conservative. See, when all the liberals think that Taggert is serious, then they look like idiots. A devious plan to discredit the left-wingers around here. But…what if he’s merely PRETENDING to be a conservative pretending to be a liberal pretending to be a conservative? See, there are layers and layers here. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/86 "2002-08-08T00:42:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by taggert \* > \*\*Sure, let’s turn over our future to the very people who perpetrated the accounting frauds, or do you think they’ve all been rooted out now by their arch enemy, our führer (excuse me, that’s “leader” in English) George W. Bush? You speak of him as if he ruled by devine right. (Well, he “rules” from the right, but it ain’t devine.) > > \*\*DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! DING! My opponents are the first to compare our side to Hitler, that, under SDMB rules is an automatic forfeit! \*\* \*\* You know something? This seems to be a correct application of Godwin’s Law. As well as an illustration of what I am told Ann Coulter is saying in her book - that conservatives think liberals have bad ideas, but liberals think conservatives are bad people. Well, if nothing else, **taggert** has made me want to read the Coulter book - and I didn’t think anything could do that. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/87 "2002-08-08T00:46:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by taggert \* > Wow, what child of yours did I kill and eat? “Complete dumbfuck”, “asshole”, “ejected”. No arguments in there that I can see. Intelligent contributions to the discourse … valued and respected indeed. You will notice that my brand of conservatism doesn’t include calling the people I am debating with names. I’m not arguing or debating with you. I’m describing you. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/88 "2002-08-08T00:47:22Z")
Shodan, in all fairness, the first paragraph was someone else’s post I was responding too (DesertGezer IIRC) so I cannot take credit for it (nor would I). The bad formating is my part. ---
**Author:** ![airdisc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e19adc/32.png) [@airdisc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/airdisc)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/89 "2002-08-08T00:54:21Z")
I’m with Guin. At this point, I don’t give a shit if it’s satire or not. It’s just plain obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/90 "2002-08-08T00:59:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*I’m not arguing or debating with you. I’m describing you. \*\* Of course you aren’t arguing or debating. But you aren’t describing, you are insulting. I understand from my search that you are a lawyer. Would a judge let you describe an opponent in such a manner? I think not. Would a judge let you characterize an adverse witness or party this way? Even in closing argument? Of course not. Of course this isn’t a courtroom, and you have no special license to be a bully here. You are obviously suffering from a disease. The disease is called potty mouth. Somebody should wash you mouth out with soap. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/91 "2002-08-08T01:19:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > \*\*This is an exceedingly unkind pile on of which you participants should be ashamed. > > You’re ridiculing the person based on his opinions. > > By all means feel free to attack the man’s positions, but the personal attack against him is reprehensible. \*\* I applaud this post. Says what I would like to say. This is a good a time as any to apologize to **Scylla** for the remarks I made the last time I addressed him with a personal attack. It was uncalled for. ---
**Author:** ![Jurhael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jurhael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurhael)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/92 "2002-08-08T01:24:56Z")
Am I the ONLY one who noticed the name? TAGGERT. When I first saw that name, I thought OBJECTIVIST. The reason why I say this is because the name reminded me of Dagny Taggert of “Atlas Shrugged”. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/93 "2002-08-08T01:25:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by taggert \* > \*\*You are obviously suffering from a disease. The disease is called potty mouth. Somebody should wash you mouth out with soap. \*\* \ This guy must be a blast at parties. ---
**Author:** ![Melandry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Melandry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melandry)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/94 "2002-08-08T01:28:14Z")
Count me in with **Guinastasia** and **airdisc**. And no, I don’t find him annoying for his positions (whatever they may be) I find him annoying for his posting style. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/95 "2002-08-08T01:49:28Z")
You fooled me. I 'fess up. Your turn. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/96 "2002-08-08T01:51:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Wanna contribute to the Godiva chocolate fund, Guin? \*\* If it gets results, hell yeah! And even if it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/97 "2002-08-08T02:06:11Z")
> [@](#): > > ## **Abe Babe** quote: > > ## posted by taggart Swift But conservatives view liberty as the freedom to do the right thing, not the wrong thing. > > New funniest quote of the week for me. Uh, **Abe Babe** , that concept isn’t exactly _new_. > [@](#): > > As the staunchest ally of liberty in the nineteenth century noted, “Liberty is not the power of doing what we like, but the right of being able to do what we ought.” Lord Acton rightly saw that liberty unrestrained by virtue from a good conscience was no true liberty at all. [http://www.acton.org/publicat/books/free\_order/first.html](http://www.acton.org/publicat/books/free_order/first.html) ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/98 "2002-08-08T02:06:56Z")
Trolling or just an idiotic conservative? You be the judge: > [@](#): > > _[Originally posted by taggert](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2271812#post2271812)_ > I’m a fiscal conservative too. I want taxes dramatically lowered as they are an unnecessary burden that provides me with no benefits. > [@](#): > > _Just a tad higher on this page_ > Jodi, I apologize if I have offended you, I did not mean to. My point was simply that fiscal conservative is a meaningless phrase as used in politics today. You don’t hear anyone saying that they are a fiscal liberal, everybody mouths off about wanting balanced budgets, low taxes, etc. > [@](#): > > _[Originally posted by taggert](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2273110#post2273110)_ > And I think that you are slightly misconstruing both Ann Coulter’s statements and the Republican party line. Annie (get yer gun) has said that she wants to forcibly convert members of Islam, not real Americans. And the Republican party line is really determined by the actions of its leaders, not a platform even the leaders have never bothered to read. The head of the Republican party is our glorious leader, President George Walker Bush. And he has designated as his spokesman and deputy Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney’s statements are clear that dissent is highly dangerous and unpatriotic, and he is right. To say that Cheney’s statements (Ashcroft’s too) are not authorized and the real position of the party is to ignore the real facts on the ground. We are at war. A war of terror against the Islamicists and a cultural war for moral clarity. I will pray for your soul and salvation. (I am, however, in favor of separation of church and state, as I don’t want some papist conspiracy getting to be in charge.) > [@](#): > > _Same post as the last one_ > Mr. Chance the Gardener: I don’t mean to be rude, but rock and roll has had an evil effect on our country, I would rather not “rock!” And like liberals, assuming you are one, you would be 85% wrong. I think that satire is just for smart asses. If you read my posts, you will see that I am consistently on top of “moral clarity”, and satire and moral clarity are mutually exclusive (kinda like Republican atheists, no offense intended). We are in the end times, and it is important to decide, are we with Jesus, or are we by default with the Beast? > > The rapture is near and it is important to complete our work and tattoo the number of the Beast (666) on all the Evil Doers. > [@](#): > > _[In stark contrast](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2343356#post2343356)_ > (Top 50 Live Albums of All-Time) > Eric Clapton, Just One Night > Allman Brothers, Live at the Fillmore East > Grateful Dead, Live Dead > [@](#): > > [_On the (evil) Dead_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2316979#post2316979) > I’ve got hundreds of Dead CDs. I listen to them constantly. > [@](#): > > [_$0.38\>$12.95_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2315965#post2315965) > I boycott the USPS. Fortunately they have serious for profit competition. I send everything by United Parcel Service or FedEx. You wouldn’t believe the amount of money I save. > [@](#): > > [\*Another classic](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2326133#post2326133)\* > Thank God someone sees the burden that unions put on productivity, competitiveness and profits in this country. Before unions, employees would cheerfully work 16 hour days 6 days a week and half a day on Sunday, for less than a dollar a day, and without whining a lot about non-existent HMOs. > [@](#): > > [_Can you say “confession”?_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2326141#post2326141) > Hey! This is the SDMB, and satire, troll posts that are parodic spasms of whooshing are frowned on around here. This is plainly satire. Won’t stand for that. No sir. Or ma’am. > [@](#): > > [_On parody_](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2317123#post2317123) > I’m all for banning parody. Parody and sarcasm are the tools of liberals like Jonathan Swift, George Orwell and others who can’t compose a decent argument without using humor, which as many theorists have pointed out, is just mocking the pain of others. Parody and satire and sarcasm must be excised from the board. You never see Cecil Adams using these things, and it’s his board. . . . > > I think the Pit is a wonderful place, and certainly the banning of parody and satire will bring orderliness and all that kinda stuff. Would somebody please squash this insect? If chocolates won’t do it, I’ve got single-malt scotch, too. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/99 "2002-08-08T02:10:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jurhael \* > \*\*Am I the ONLY one who noticed the name? TAGGERT. > > When I first saw that name, I thought OBJECTIVIST. The reason why I say this is because the name reminded me of Dagny Taggert of “Atlas Shrugged”. \*\* NO! If you had read my posts in the recent Ayn Rand is a loon threads you would have realized not. taggert is misspelled, and it should be taggart. I am a big Slim Pickens fan and that was the name of his character in Blazing Saddles, and hence my recent signature “I work for Mel Brooks!” where he socks Dom DeLouise. And no, that doesn’t mean I am a satirist like Mel Brooks, anymore than say “december”'s screen name means that he is the twelfth month of the year or that Scylla is a bunch of rocks on which the unwary get dashed. It means that I have used the handle for a long while and I am very fond of it. (And Slim Pickens.) ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2002, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823/100 "2002-08-08T02:11:45Z")
Actually, I think I’d chip in $20. This has gotten old in a big way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-a-troll-sock-puppet-parodist-or-satirist/122823.md?page=6)