# "I am not anti-guns. I am anti-bullet holes in my patients." **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 9, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268 "2018-11-09T23:42:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/242 "2018-11-16T04:23:53Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > But shooting sprees have gone up. And that is what we are talking about in this thread. No, we’re talking about all shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/243 "2018-11-16T04:29:25Z")
True, you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/244 "2018-11-16T04:32:43Z")
> [@penultima\_thule](#): > > There you go; justification for the paucity of US gun laws is to function as a market support mechanism for the gun manufacturers and NRA primary backers. You are not making sense. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/245 "2018-11-16T09:38:12Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You are not making sense. Underpants Gnome logic: when you understand the start and the goal, but the steps linking them are unknown. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/246 "2018-11-16T14:17:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You are not making sense. You refuse to understand how completely you’re being played. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/247 "2018-11-16T16:39:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sure, but if the non-police market drys up, few will bother to make guns just for police. Why? I am unable to find figures on the police and military market, but I’m sure it would still be significant. The manufacturers wouldn’t simply close their doors and walk away; more likely the big companies (Baretta, S&W, Glock) would still be in demand though shrink, and the marginal players would go out of business. Do you fear that if the non-police market were to dry up, the police wouldn’t be able to buy guns anymore, or buy their guns of choice? Seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/248 "2018-11-16T18:57:39Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You refuse to understand how completely you’re being played. By meaningless babble? :dubious: Well done sir, well done!:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/249 "2018-11-16T18:59:20Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > Why? I am unable to find figures on the police and military market, but I’m sure it would still be significant. The manufacturers wouldn’t simply close their doors and walk away; more likely the big companies (Baretta, S&W, Glock) would still be in demand though shrink, and the marginal players would go out of business. Do you fear that if the non-police market were to dry up, the police wouldn’t be able to buy guns anymore, or buy their guns of choice? Seems unlikely. They would have limitations, the police market isnt that big. They could carry mil-spec handguns or go back to revolvers. The Big companies depend heavily on military contracts and the sporting market. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/250 "2018-11-16T19:38:44Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > “Nobody wants to take away your guns” to me means “We know we won’t accomplish an outright ban but we will use mass media reports of gun violence as a reason to chip away at 2A rights little by little until a near-complete ban is eventually reached.” Given that, on the whole, gun rights in the U.S. have been _expanding_ over the past 20 years, I’m not sure what you’re worried about. I was going to say that, at the rate we’re progressing towards that near-complete ban, we ought to be there by the year 2525. But really, like I said, we’re going in the other direction - at the rate we’re going, we’ll get there never. But in another 20-30 years, if things keep going the way they are, you guys will have the right to carry any gun, anywhere and any way (brandishing? A-OK!) you want to, with no state authority to deny anyone the right to do so, even violent ex-felons. There’s a slippery slope, all right. It’s the gun nut’s best friend. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/251 "2018-11-16T19:43:57Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Given that, on the whole, gun rights in the U.S. have been _expanding_ over the past 20 years, I’m not sure what you’re worried about. Not the last 20 years, the last ten years. DC, Chicago, and SF had all passed or were moving towards a total ban. Heller stopped that nonsense. Heller has rolled back some of the more restrictive laws. California, at least, continues it’s “nibbling”. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/252 "2018-11-16T22:44:50Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > They would have limitations, the police market isnt that big. They could carry mil-spec handguns or go back to revolvers. > > The Big companies depend heavily on military contracts and the sporting market. It is not our duty to keep big gun companies big. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/253 "2018-11-16T23:58:19Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > It is not our duty to keep big gun companies big. No, but I would like our Police to be armed as well as the Bad guys. crazy thought that, I know. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/254 "2018-11-17T00:56:13Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > It is not our duty to keep big gun companies big. They don’t even have to ask us to. There are enough people happily willing to do it anyway, who can’t even grasp how they’re being played. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/255 "2018-11-17T01:11:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, but I would like our Police to be armed as well as the Bad guys. crazy thought that, I know. Well, that’s easy enough to do. But what you advocate for is that the bad guys are as well armed as the police. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/256 "2018-11-17T01:22:37Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > But in another 20-30 years, if things keep going the way they are, you guys will have the right to carry any gun, anywhere and any way (brandishing? A-OK!) you want to, with no state authority to deny anyone the right to do so, even violent ex-felons. Until black people and Muslims start open carrying weapons everywhere, at which point I envision strict guns laws to come back into fashion. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/257 "2018-11-17T01:29:45Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Until black people and Muslims start open carrying weapons everywhere, at which point I envision strict guns laws to come back into fashion. No, sadly, I think we will just see more black and Muslim victims of police shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/258 "2018-11-17T01:33:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > No, sadly, I think we will just see more black and Muslim victims of police shootings. Sure. Until the NRA starts viciously attacking those police who kill innocent black people and Muslims who are simply practicing their 2nd Amendment rights! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/259 "2018-11-17T01:40:46Z")
double post 'cause my wireless crapped out. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/260 "2018-11-17T06:07:18Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > So, you support extensive background checks to ensure that the buyer of a gun is a law abiding person? And gun registry so that if this law abiding person becomes not law abiding, his guns can be removed to make the rest of us safe? > > Remember, the Las Vegas shooter was a law abiding person until he started killing. By the same logic, someone (not me or anyone in this thread) could say “Remember, the 9/11 hijackers were law-abiding Muslims until 9/11.” Remeber, almost all the shootings that occur daily are by people who obtained the guns illegally and have previously been convicted of felonies, and most of those previous felonies involved guns obtained illegally. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268/261 "2018-11-17T06:09:57Z")
> [@CookingWithGas](#): > > It is not our duty to keep big gun companies big. It is our duty to make sure activities which are legal and guaranteed by the Constitution are not prevented by anyone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-not-anti-guns-i-am-anti-bullet-holes-in-my-patients/824268.md?page=14)