# I am pissed off at failure of S.3816 (the anti-outsourcing bill) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 5, 2010, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167 "2010-10-05T19:42:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/41 "2010-10-06T21:48:44Z")
Am I chewing on a big chunk of Poe’s Law? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/42 "2010-10-06T21:52:15Z")
I’d imagine it tastes like shame. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/43 "2010-10-06T21:58:40Z")
Shame I’m used to. I’m just pissed that I wasted a good “selling oranges on the freeway” reference on it. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/44 "2010-10-06T22:01:23Z")
Not to mention I spent all that time looking up how to spell “Cognitive dissonance” for nothing. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/45 "2010-10-06T22:05:04Z")
Yeah, but at least your shame was produced locally in the good ol’ U.S. of A. None of that icky foreign-made shame, thankyouverymuch. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/46 "2010-10-06T22:14:23Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > We don’t just offshore because we have to pay for healthcare. We also do it to escape environmental regulation and to get far cheaper labor, without unions. And wasn’t it argued at the time that environmental regulation and ridiculously high union wages would drive jobs overseas? And did you care? Or was your attitude then pretty much the same as it is now, which is that neither would be a problem as long as government fulfilled its proper role and simply forbade American companies to utilize overseas employees and manufacturing? There’s simply no problem that can’t be solved though government force and the sacrifice of our freedoms, is there? ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/47 "2010-10-07T09:39:38Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] There’s simply no problem that can’t be solved though government force and the sacrifice of our freedoms, is there? [/quote] I know I sure miss the freedom to choke to death on another peasouper. If only we could return to the halcyon days before the _Clean Air Act 1956_. I sure would like another repeat of the smog of 1952! Only 4000 people died over the course of a couple of days from respiratory problems. We sure were free back then though! ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/48 "2010-10-07T12:50:32Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > The solution is to get everyone else to raise their taxes. I agree. I believe the prescription involves a hefty dose of State Dept sabre rattling, combined with a couple more unfunded and unnecessary wars :rolleyes: Got to make an example of those lesser-than-US countries. Maybe take out a few of their leaders… to paraphrase Stewie, nothing says “obey me” like a bloody head on a pike. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/49 "2010-10-07T15:40:24Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > [QUOTE=Starving Artist] > > There’s simply no problem that can’t be solved though government force and the sacrifice of our freedoms, is there? I know I sure miss the freedom to choke to death on another peasouper. If only we could return to the halcyon days before the _Clean Air Act 1956_. I sure would like another repeat of the smog of 1952! Only 4000 people died over the course of a couple of days from respiratory problems. We sure were free back then though! [/QUOTE] Not only were we freer, things were better then. You only have to look around to see it. Kids didn’t run around with their pants half way down their asses, dagnammit. There was no birth out of wedlock either. None. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/50 "2010-10-07T16:10:24Z")
I thought it was because winter’s were warmer, grass was greener and smiles were . . . bright. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/51 "2010-10-07T16:48:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@gonzomax](#): > > > > We don’t just offshore because we have to pay for healthcare. We also do it to escape environmental regulation and to get far cheaper labor, without unions. > > And wasn’t it argued at the time that environmental regulation and ridiculously high union wages would drive jobs overseas? > > And did you care? > > Or was your attitude then pretty much the same as it is now, which is that neither would be a problem as long as government fulfilled its proper role and simply forbade American companies to utilize overseas employees and manufacturing? > > There’s simply no problem that can’t be solved though government force and the sacrifice of our freedoms, is there? China has the growth of unions. People tolerate exploitation for just so long. They fight back. Now they move to Vietnam. Eventually Nam will unionize. The only power workers have against companies is collective. They do not need you. They need all of the workers though. If you think America should have all the power in the ownership class, you will be pleased with the present trends. But Chinese workers work for 64 cents an hour. Of course that should be what we should shoot for here, isn’t it? Whatever they offer, is what you should complacently take. We should be free to take orders from the Corporations. What kind of freedom is that? Collective power got you all the benefits you enjoy in America. It got safer working conditions and healthcare. It got vacations and the power to fight abusive bosses. The unions were not government force. They were the force of the workers. I know you hate the government, but do you hate workers trying to defend themselves too? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/52 "2010-10-07T18:10:59Z")
If we all chip in, do you think we could pay to ship \*\*Starving Artist \*\*to Vietnam? Since he apparently would love to get a job there. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/53 "2010-10-07T18:20:04Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > If we all chip in, do you think we could pay to ship \*\*Starving Artist \*\*to Vietnam? Since he apparently would love to get a job there. Shhhhh - if he finds out it isn’t called French Indochina any more, we’ll get a rant about how the maps were better back in the fifties. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/54 "2010-10-07T18:57:44Z")
> [@villa](#): > > > [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > > If we all chip in, do you think we could pay to ship \*\*Starving Artist \*\*to Vietnam? Since he apparently would love to get a job there. > > Shhhhh - if he finds out it isn’t called French Indochina any more… WHAT?? When did this happen? > [@villa](#): > > …we’ll get a rant about how the maps were better back in the fifties. Things were better in the fifites. **Shot From Guns** wasn’t even on the horizon…and people _liked_ it that way! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/55 "2010-10-07T19:26:04Z")
I have it on \*very good authority \*that a chorus of angels heralded my mother’s birth in '57, \*because \*she would eventually have a daughter of such blinding [del]arrogance[/del] intelligence that the whole world would tremble. So there you go, wrong again. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/56 "2010-10-07T19:57:02Z")
Well, the angels may have been happy (and I suppose your poor mother was too) but _Leave It To Beaver_ said you’d suck. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/57 "2010-10-07T21:50:57Z")
Oh right, like you’d ever find language like \*that \*on such a wholesome show. Fellatio, indeed! Tsk, tsk. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/58 "2010-10-07T22:40:51Z")
Well, they didn’t say it _quite_ like that. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/59 "2010-10-07T22:51:13Z")
What are you talking about? Fellatio in “Leave it to Beaver” Nonsense! [QUOTE= June Cleaver] “Ward, weren’t you a little hard on the Beaver last night?” [/QUOTE] Mmm… Well, maybe rug munching.. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pissed-off-at-failure-of-s-3816-the-anti-outsourcing-bill/556167/60 "2010-10-07T22:59:56Z")
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