# I am pitting Microsoft again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013 "2024-08-21T19:57:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/21 "2024-08-22T18:02:30Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > the whole thing was designed to get you to inadvertently install it if you really weren’t paying close attention. Yep, I remember that clearly. I’d opt out of the McAfee download, but boy were they sneaky. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/22 "2024-08-22T18:06:51Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > I remember back in the days of Adobe Flash Apple worked hard to kill Flash, and for the most part, I think it has mostly been an improvement not having to worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/23 "2024-08-22T19:44:01Z")
Much of what Flash did has been incorporated into OS and browser basic functionality. That’s why the Flash Player has been deprecated for years. Similar to what happened to WinZip I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/24 "2024-08-23T02:19:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Apple worked hard to kill Flash My first programming language was Actionscript. While I now use a Mac, I will never forgive Steve Jobs for killing Flash. Bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/25 "2024-08-23T02:25:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Microsoft does install software into my computer without my permission. It _is_ dumb that the click through license when you first install or boot Windows is considered perpetual permission. Nobody reads that thing (which requires following hyperlinks on _another_ computer, IIRC). ~Max ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/26 "2024-08-23T02:44:16Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > I will never forgive Steve Jobs for killing Flash. Steve Jobs put Mac on x86 – that was awful. But mostly, I am annoyed with him for killing HyperCard. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/27 "2024-08-23T03:23:11Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > But mostly, I am annoyed with him for killing HyperCard. Do not ever speak of HyperCard to me. I loved it. I was making stuff in HyperCard as a little kid, I even experimented with MacinTalk within HyperCard. Its death was painful to me. ☹ The one good legacy is that when I first learned how to do web design, I realized it was just HyperCard with more code. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/28 "2024-08-23T03:43:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Its death was painful to me. ☹ Yeah, Mr. Jobs killed a bunch of dreams. He also inspired a bunch of dreams, so I find it hard to judge the man objectively. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/29 "2024-08-23T16:37:46Z")
How did pitting Microsoft turn into ranting about Steve Jobs? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/30 "2024-08-23T17:58:11Z")
His turtlenecked ghost trolls Microsoft from beyond the grave. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/31 "2024-08-24T00:43:22Z")
The ghost of Steve Jobs is having boat drinks with the ghost of Paul Allen. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/32 "2024-08-24T01:31:31Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > He also inspired a bunch of dreams He inspired Ashton Kutcher’s dream of winning an Oscar. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/33 "2024-08-24T02:38:22Z")
I guess if you want to beat on MicroSoft, they recalled **Recall** , but will [bring it back to Windows](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/microsoft-will-try-the-data-scraping-windows-recall-feature-again-in-october/?utm_brand=arstechnica&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=mastodon&utm_medium=social) in a month or two. ( **Recall** is a feature that takes constant screenshots of your computer and parses the data out of them so that, if you screw up, you can find out what you were doing 10 minutes ago, or yesterday. Also, “feature” is a synonym for “bug”.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/34 "2024-08-24T02:45:35Z")
Sorry for any delays in responding here. My computer has started randomly activating airplane mode and shutting off my internet access. I’m sure this is a valuable feature that is protecting my computer and I should be grateful. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/35 "2024-08-24T06:19:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > **Recall** is a feature that takes constant screenshots of your computer That sounds suspiciously spyware-y. Also my choice of porn genre is nothing to do with Microsoft! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/36 "2024-08-25T02:25:10Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Are there no alternatives to Adobe Reader that will let you sign a pdf? Have you tried opening a pdf in Firefox, Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge? I don’t know if one of them would allow that since I haven’t tried it, but you can open a pdf in all three browsers and try it out. Your right-click “Open with” menu should offer one or more of those choices, depending what browser(s) you have installed. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/37 "2024-08-25T03:48:15Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Have you tried opening a pdf in Firefox, Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge? I don’t know if one of them would allow that since I haven’t tried it, but you can open a pdf in all three browsers and try it out. I just opened a browser window in FireFox and dragged a random pdf onto it. Up near the title bar, there is a toolbar with several thingies, and one of them allow you to draw on the pdf. I put a caricature on my signature near the bottom of the page and did a “save as…” When I did a quick preview of the copy, it was as I saved it. So, yeah, you can at least do it in FireFox. Disclaimer: this is not a Windows computer. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013/38 "2024-08-25T17:33:55Z")
Very good! I open pdfs in a browser by right-clicking the pdf icon, selecting the “open with” menu choice, and clicking on either Firefox, Chrome, or Edge – all three are available in my Windows setup and all three work. ETA: Just tried the drag into a Firefox window and it worked for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-pitting-microsoft-again/1006013.md?page=1)