# I am SERIOUSLY WORRIED that these riots are going to get Trump re-elected **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 26, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092 "2020-08-26T20:53:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/181 "2020-09-05T01:41:52Z")
> [@Earl\_McCabe](#): > > Blacks were heavily armed in the South. It was very much a problem for the local and state governments. A fascinating history if you can find the time. Where in the world did you hear this nonsense? Armed black people were not a threat in the old south. You know why? Because if one black person had pointed a gun in the general direction of a white person, the white people would have lynched him. And then lynched a few dozen other black people as a warning about getting uppity. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_McCabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@Earl\_McCabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_McCabe)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/182 "2020-09-05T02:18:27Z")
No, that is the falsehood that has been spread making Black Americans into perennial helpless victims. The reality is that there was armed resistance and self-defense for decades. > **[How 'Crazy Negroes' With Guns Helped Kill Jim Crow](https://reason.com/2014/07/22/how-crazy-negroes-with-guns-he/)** > > Civil rights and armed self-defense in the South It is very convenient for white liberals to believe that since they ignored the plight of the southern black for 90 years, he was not defending himself. Where are you getting your information about Blacks not using guns for self-defense in the South? The Klan was a powerful but not omnipotent force in the South only because Blacks took up arms.The violence perpetrated against them would have been much much worse. Who/what do you think kept the violent attackers from committing genocide in the decades after Reconstruction? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/183 "2020-09-05T03:50:40Z")
> [@Earl\_McCabe](#): > > Where are you getting your information about Blacks not using guns for self-defense in the South? I had an education. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/184 "2020-09-05T03:52:52Z")
Here. Learn something. > **[the-racist-origins-of-us-gun-control.pdf](https://www.sedgwickcounty.org/media/29093/the-racist-origins-of-us-gun-control.pdf)** > > 212.21 KB ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/185 "2020-09-05T04:20:26Z")
> [@Earl\_McCabe](#): > > It is very convenient for white liberals to believe that since they ignored the plight of the southern black for 90 years, he was not defending himself. That’s just bizarre: you link a story that starts with a recounting of a black man _in 1960, during the civil rights era_ defending himself to prove black men were armed (you said “90 years”) in 1870 I guess? Late 50’s, early 60’s is when white liberals were getting murdered for helping with civil rights protests, yet were ignoring them somehow. What are you on about? ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_McCabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@Earl\_McCabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_McCabe)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/186 "2020-09-05T05:08:37Z")
What is your point? You claimed that blacks wouldn’t dare point a gun at whites lest they get lynched. The article I posted has example after example of blacks doing just that from the end of the Civil War up until the CRM. You link to a paper on the racist origins of gun laws, a concept which was mentioned in my article, and claim you have “an education”. I did too. I learned about the history of black resistance as I matriculated at an HBCU. The idea that blacks were hopeless until whitey turned their eye to them in the 60s would not only be insulting, but wrong. So yes. Blacks were heavily armed in the decades between CW and CRM. And yes it caused problems for the white establishment, which is why some promoted restrictive gun laws ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_McCabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@Earl\_McCabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_McCabe)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/187 "2020-09-05T05:09:14Z")
Read further, it won’t hurt. I promise. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/188 "2020-09-05T13:37:12Z")
I love it how quickly it changed from “How do we get Trump out when he loses?” to “There’ll be riots if he wins”. The not-so-thinly-veiled threat of violence (no by the OP, of course) if the election is not the prefered result, is the least democratic thing you can do. Especially if you make the people who respond to the violence the bad guys. You’re feeling Biden’s chances slip by. Trump will win by a bigger margin than 2016 and you know it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/189 "2020-09-05T13:52:12Z")
If Trump wins, all of those acting cabinet posts would continue to be acting posts; he’d just say “fuck the Senate’s advice and consent” and dare someone to stop him. He’d fire more career civil servants - who knows, he’d probably use the OPM to go from agency to agency, employee to employee, and look at voting records and social media posts to see who’s loyal enough to keep their jobs and who isn’t - everyone would get their own special vetting and clearance. Others who aren’t directly investigated catch wind of what’s going on, and career civil servants begin to leave the federal government in droves, expecting that they’ll be the next to get a blemish on their CV. The federal government would be tilted heavily toward pro-Trump loyalists, similar to what Recep Erdogan has done in Turkey and what Putin has done in Russia. The federal government in, say, 2022 would look quite different than it did in December 2016. The DoJ would belong to Trump and the GOP. Homeland Security would belong to Trump and the GOP. So would a lot of other agencies. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/190 "2020-09-05T14:14:34Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > You’re feeling Biden’s chances slip by. Trump will win by a bigger margin than 2016 and you know it. The whole history so far is that Trump got a slight bounce from his dystopian convention, that bump is the one that is fading. > **[Trump May Have Gotten A Convention Bounce. But It’s Very Slight And May...](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-have-gotten-a-convention-bounce-but-its-very-slight-and-may-already-be-fading/)** > > We’ve now seen an array of new national polls conducted in the aftermath of the Republican National Convention, and collectively they show nothing major has shi… The article goes to point that states polls were coming, while Pennsylvania may fade for Biden other battleground state polls show a huge drop for Trump. > **[Election Update: Biden Gets Good Polls In Arizona And Wisconsin — And A Bad...](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-biden-gets-good-polls-in-arizona-and-wisconsin-and-a-bad-one-in-pennsylvania/)** > > Welcome to FiveThirtyEight’s Election Update for Thursday, September 3! We’ve now gotten several state polls conducted entirely after the end of the Republican … > convention, and they are consistent with the tale told by [post-convention national polls](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-may-have-gotten-a-convention-bounce-but-its-very-slight-and-may-already-be-fading/): The RNC hasn’t boosted President Trump enough to meaningfully improve [his odds of winning the election](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/). In fact, the state polls we’ve gotten this week have been pretty darn good for Joe Biden — with one big exception that we’ll get to in a minute. > > Probably the most eye-opening state poll was [Fox News’s survey](https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/09/Arizona.pdf)[1](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-biden-gets-good-polls-in-arizona-and-wisconsin-and-a-bad-one-in-pennsylvania/#fn-1) of **Arizona** , which gave Biden a healthy 9-percentage-point lead. The poll was taken in the immediate wake of the RNC, and although candidates generally [poll higher right after their conventions](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-counting-on-a-convention-bounce-this-year-is-risky/), Fox found Trump in a worse position compared with [its previous poll](https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/06/35199d36-Fox_May-30-June-2-2020_Complete_Arizona_Topline_June-3-Release.pdf) With Arizona’s Republican Senator McSally being 17 points under the Democratic “dancing”\* astronaut for the senate. 🙂 \*Supporters of McSally made an ad having a dancing astronaut to make fun of Kelly, it has backfired because some are impressed by “Kelly’s” moves. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/191 "2020-09-05T14:23:02Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > You’re feeling Biden’s chances slip by. Trump will win by a bigger margin than 2016 and you know it. If Biden wins, will you come back and apologize for this ridiculous bit of faux-mind-reading? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/192 "2020-09-05T14:33:41Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > and you know it. Donald? Is that you? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/193 "2020-09-05T14:40:27Z")
Definitely ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/194 "2020-09-05T14:40:42Z")
Covfefe ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/195 "2020-09-05T16:12:07Z")
If Trump wins, will you come back and congratulate me for my marvellous foresight? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/196 "2020-09-05T16:33:24Z")
It will be foresight alright, but not marvelous. The fact remains that all the rioting is happening while Trump is president, there were many that did foresee how disastrous these 4 years had been, I did foresee 4 years ago that thanks to graft and unnecessary moves that were gonna get him into legal trouble that the American taxpayers would be the ones left with the hefty bill. What I did not foresee is that Trump would be willing to have Americans die to get that graft and make those stupid wasteful moves also. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/197 "2020-09-05T16:35:00Z")
Ok, mid-tier foresight. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/198 "2020-09-05T16:37:19Z")
With Democratic mayors and DAs those who respond to the burning and looting are the de facto bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/199 "2020-09-05T16:40:16Z")
Since we do have a president that declared to not have any responsibility, it is rich to claim that we should give him 4 more years so he will become responsible… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/200 "2020-09-05T16:42:37Z")
I don’t see Trump out burning and looting. I see far left radicals and low class criminal opportunists doing that. All under the protection of local leaders. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092.md?page=11)