# I am SERIOUSLY WORRIED that these riots are going to get Trump re-elected **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 26, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092 "2020-08-26T20:53:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/101 "2020-08-27T18:44:01Z")
Do you want me to go through the democratic platform and highlight line by line areas where it will improve the treatment of the impoverished and the marginalized in the country? I really don’t want to go to that level of effort, and I can’t believe that that is what you are asking, as it is something that you could do just as easily yourself. There are no guarantees, and not everyone will be happy, and it will take time for reform. That’s what democracy is. Unfortunately, for all its flaws, everything else tends to be far worse. The other option is to use enough force to get people to stop complaining about the use of force. That is a simpler solution, but I do argue that it is a terrible one. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/102 "2020-08-27T19:02:29Z")
> [@Dark\_Sponge](#): > > I’m puzzled why no leaders on the left are calling out the protestors to switch to non-violent MLKJ type protests and sit-ins. If they did you’d likely see the fence sitters start leaning left. They didn’t back then, why would they now? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/103 "2020-08-27T19:31:45Z")
To clarify what I mean: While there’s this whitewashed myth that Martin Luther King was well-liked for being so peaceful and good, the fact is that 75% of the country disapproved of him in the year that he was murdered. The famous FBI letter (quoted below) below sums up how the government (in this case specifically the FBI) felt towards him, and makes it clear that they actively wanted to encourage him to commit suicide. The Chicago Tribune, when discussing the peaceful protests you said taht people would approve of stated in 1966 “Families ordinarily would be enjoying the chance to sit on the front porch reading the paper, to sprinkle their lawns and work in their gardens, or to go to the park or beach. Instead, they are confronted by a shuffling procession of strangers carrying signs and posing as martyrs. The spectacle is repulsive to right-thinking people.” So I really doubt that ‘MLKJ type protests’ would get the general approval you’re looking for. Plus, of course, most of the violence is coming from outside agitators or is instigated by police, but people looking to complain about ‘riots’ tend to ignore that. > [@](#): > > King, > > In view of your low grade, abnormal personal behaviour I will not dignify your name with either a Mr. or a Reverend or a Dr. And your last name calls to mind only the type of King such as King Henry the VIII and his countless acts of adultery and immoral conduct lower than that of a beast. > > King, look into your heart. You know you are a complete fraud and a giant liability to all of us Negroes. White people in this country have enough frauds of their own but I am sure they don’t have one at this time that is any where near your equal. You are no clergyman and you know it. I repeat you are a colossal fraud and an evil vicious one at that. You could not believe in God and act as you do. Clearly you don’t believe in any personal moral principles. > > King, like all frauds your end is approaching. You could have been our greatest leader. You, even at an early age, have turned out to be not a leader but a dissolute, abnormal moral imbecile. We will now have to depend on our older leaders like Wilkins a man of character and thank God we have others like him. But you are done. Your “honorary” degrees, your Nobel Prize (what a grim farce) and other awards will not save you. King, I repeat you are done. > > No person can overcome facts, not even a fraud like yourself. Lend your morally psychotic ear to the enclosure. You will find yourself and in all your dirt, filth, evil and moronic talk exposed on the record for all time. I repeat — no person can argue successfully against facts. You are finished. > > You will find on the record for all time your filthy, dirty, evil companions, male and females giving expression with you to your hideous abnormalities. And some of them to pretend to be minister of the gospel. Satan could not do more. What incredible evilness. It is all there on the record, your sexual orgies. > > Listen to yourself you filthy, abnormal animal. You are on the record. You have been on the record - all your adulterous acts, your sexual orgies extending far into the past. This one is but a tiny sample You will understand this. Yes, from your various evil playmates on the east coast to Dolores Evans and others on the west coast and outside the country you are on the record. King you are done. > > The American public, the church organisations that have been helping — Protestant, Catholic and Jews will know you for what you are — an evil, abnormal beast. So will others who have backed you. You are done. > > King, there is only one thing left for you to do. You know what it is. You have just 34 days in which to do (this exact number has been selected for a specific reason, it has definite practice significance. You are done. There is but one way out for you. You better take it before your filthy, abnormal fraudulent self is bared to the nation. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/104 "2020-08-27T20:05:36Z")
I appreciate this, but what is the quote from? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/105 "2020-08-27T20:45:55Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > I appreciate this, but what is the quote from?- Took me 5 seconds on google to find it. I imagine it can be found lots of places on the interwebs. > **[Read the letter the FBI sent MLK to try to convince him to kill himself](https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/12/7204453/martin-luther-king-fbi-letter)** > > "You have been on the record — all your adulterous acts, your sexual orgies extending far into the past. " ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/106 "2020-08-27T20:59:03Z")
The Trump campaign is being pretty open with the fact that they want chaos and violence. I think it will be pretty easy to demonstrate this with quotes from Trump and Trump campaign officials. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/107 "2020-08-28T02:07:21Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > You could infer that by association I suppose. Trump supports cops. Cops killed black people. Ergo, Trump caused the riots. No, I associate Trump with supporting racism and laws being broken. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/108 "2020-08-28T02:10:14Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Something that isn’t nebulous and potentially years away? Right now all we have to go on is “elect Biden and maybe it will stop.” That’s what I think hopes are being pinned on anyway. Well, we elected Trump and the riots started. So a change can’t make things worse. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/109 "2020-08-28T03:29:32Z")
Who really believes that? If you own a business or a home in one of these poorly governed blue cities will you rebuild to be looted or burned down again? Why? People complain about food deserts. You know why there are food deserts? It’s because the cost of doing business is too damn high. You don’t think the cost of doing business when the business is looted by mobs of criminals that are rarely charged or imprisoned is higher than doing business in areas where civilized people don’t do that? What do you think the tax base of a municipality is when those paying the taxes are demonized and victimized while the police stand around with thumbs up their butts? Who is going to produce the wealth to redistribute? Seriously, when Trump is re-elected hopefully it won’t be a mystery this time. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/110 "2020-08-28T03:58:44Z")
Were there race riots in 2015? ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/111 "2020-08-28T14:53:24Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > I appreciate this, but what is the quote from? An anonymous letter later shown to be sent by the FBI to King. > **[FBI–King suicide letter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_suicide_letter)** > > The FBI–King suicide letter or blackmail package was an anonymous 1964 letter and package by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) meant to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. The letter was part of the FBI's COINTELPRO operation against King. Although it is referred to as the "suicide letter" as King interpreted that to be its intent, the letter does not specifically call for King to kill himself. > On November 21, 1964, a package that contained the letter and a tape recording allegedly of Kin... > **[55 years ago, the FBI tried to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr with a...](https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-martin-luther-king-report-tapes-orgies-suicide-2019-5)** > > The documents reveal that the FBI went to extreme lengths, over an extended period of time, to document King's sex life, on a night-by-night basis. > **[The FBI Once Sent Martin Luther King An Anonymous Letter Pressuring Him To...](https://allthatsinteresting.com/fbi-martin-luther-king-tapes)** > > The letter also threatened to release tapes of activist's extramarital affairs. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/112 "2020-08-28T15:06:12Z")
> Our Convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. The attacks on our police, and the terrorism in our cities, threaten our very way of life. Any politician who does not grasp this danger is not fit to lead our country. > > Americans watching this address tonight have seen the recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have been its victims. > > I have a a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored. > > The most basic duty of government is to defend the lives of its own citizens. Any government that fails to do so is a government unworthy to lead. > > - Donald Trump, 7/21/2016 Why would anyone believe him this time around? Why do you, **octopus**? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/113 "2020-08-28T15:11:29Z")
Well, actually. Maybe this one time he is not lying… > [@Trump](#): > > I have a a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored. If he is admitting that he will be defeated and concede, then this line could well be right on point. ETA:nvm, read that wrong. Still… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/114 "2020-08-28T15:16:59Z")
I don’t disagree with you 100%, but you’re missing some context. Yes, I would agree that some blue cities are poorly governed, overtaken by democrat machines that are inexperienced and incompetent at governing. But historically, whites just don’t want to live next to blacks and don’t want their children in the same schools, mainly because whites know that they’ve deprived black school children of access to education, fair housing, and economic opportunities, and don’t want to invest in trying to reverse decades - centuries - of inequity for the purpose of greater parity. So they left, and they took their tax base with them. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/115 "2020-08-28T15:23:22Z")
It’a also worth noting that Democratic Mayors and City Councils have existed in these cities for years - in some cases, decades. And we haven’t seen rioting. So apparently Democratic city governments don’t cause riots. The recent political change that caused the riots is Trump getting elected. And if Trump is re-elected, the rioting will get worse. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/116 "2020-08-28T15:25:13Z")
Right? It’s easy to read that wrong. That seems like it must be a current speech, but it was from four years ago. “Attacks on our police,” “Terrorism in our cities,” and “Violence in our streets,” are all things he said he would put an end to. All of these things have gotten worse on his watch. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/117 "2020-08-28T16:03:41Z")
Well, he hasn’t brought out the magic sharpie yet. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/118 "2020-08-28T16:06:11Z")
That is…awesome? Would be interesting for Biden to read that at a debate. Do you have a good cite so I can share? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/119 "2020-08-28T16:08:43Z")
[Full text: Donald Trump 2016 RNC draft speech transcript](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/full-transcript-donald-trump-nomination-acceptance-speech-at-rnc-225974) The part I quoted is paragraphs 3 - 6. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092/120 "2020-08-28T16:12:42Z")
The title says it’s a draft. Did he use it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-seriously-worried-that-these-riots-are-going-to-get-trump-re-elected/919092.md?page=7)