# I am sick of the Browns. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 30, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597 "2012-12-30T21:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tomcar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tomcar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomcar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/1 "2012-12-30T21:09:55Z")
I feel bad for these guys. Even as a Steelers fan, I secretly root for Browns to beat the Steelers, just to keep competition going. Today I wanted the Steelers to lose to have a better draft position… but they couldn’t pull it off. Studies have been done, and it has been found that the combination of Orange and Brown is the most iritating color combination. Fast Food places use it so people don’t loiter. People eat and then flee the hideous color combo. So here is what I propose: Get rid of the orange. Keep the brown (but make it slightly more earthy, less chocolatey,) but throw in tan and army green into the mix. Make the helmet tan… and put a Bulldog on the side using brown, white and army green. Also change the name to the Bulldogs or Dawgs or something. If you are a Browns fan, you have my sympathy. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/2 "2012-12-30T22:18:04Z")
The were named after a person, not the color. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/3 "2012-12-30T22:22:00Z")
Tomcar, as a Browns’ fan I appreciate your good faith input. Thank you. Please forward your suggestions to new owner Jimmy Haslam. I like the Brown and Orange uniforms and helmets but at this point, what the hell, change things. ---
**Author:** ![tomcar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tomcar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomcar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/4 "2012-12-30T22:28:11Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > The were named after a person, not the color. Yeah dude, I know. ---
**Author:** ![tomcar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tomcar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomcar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/5 "2012-12-30T22:29:13Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > Tomcar, as a Browns’ fan I appreciate your good faith input. Thank you. Please forward your suggestions to new owner Jimmy Haslam. I like the Brown and Orange uniforms and helmets but at this point, what the hell, change things. You guys deserve better. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/6 "2012-12-30T22:32:23Z")
> [@tomcar](#): > > Yeah dude, I know. Sorry, I meant to add that I meant that non-snarkily. :o ---
**Author:** ![tomcar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tomcar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomcar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2012, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/7 "2012-12-30T22:39:22Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Sorry, I meant to add that I meant that non-snarkily. :o Oh that’s cool. I didn’t sense any snark. I guess my complete thought is that when the “Browns” left for Baltimore, really the Bulldogs should have been the team to start in Cleveland, not the new “Browns.” Since they restarted the Browns… And they have sucked ever since, they need a clean break from the name and some new unis (with a new look.) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/8 "2012-12-31T00:30:56Z")
> [@](#): > > I guess my complete thought is that when the “Browns” left for Baltimore, really the Bulldogs should have been the team to start in Cleveland, not the new “Browns.” Another suggestion I saw during that time was for the new team to be named the Rockers, with the Hall of Fame logo on their helmets. ---
**Author:** ![mkecane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9e8a1a/32.png) [@mkecane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkecane)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/9 "2012-12-31T02:21:24Z")
I always liked the all white unis at home in the Kosar era. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/10 "2012-12-31T02:24:42Z")
> [@tomcar](#): > > Oh that’s cool. I didn’t sense any snark. I guess my complete thought is that when the “Browns” left for Baltimore, really the Bulldogs should have been the team to start in Cleveland, not the new “Browns.” Since they restarted the Browns… And they have sucked ever since, they need a clean break from the name and some new unis (with a new look.) Actually the “Browns” are not in Baltimore, they are in Cincinnati. ---
**Author:** ![tomcar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tomcar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomcar)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/11 "2012-12-31T02:54:20Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Actually the “Browns” are not in Baltimore, they are in Cincinnati. Um, are you referring to the Bengals being started by Paul Brown also? I am confused… ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/12 "2012-12-31T03:51:48Z")
> [@tomcar](#): > > Um, are you referring to the Bengals being started by Paul Brown also? I am confused… What’s confusing? The Browns fired their namesake. Paul Brown, said namesake’s son, currently owns the Bengals. If you want to make the case that the Browns should reboot and change the name, the case isn’t that the real “Browns” moved to Baltimore it’s that the real Browns left town long before that. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/13 "2012-12-31T04:01:57Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > What’s confusing? The Browns fired their namesake. Paul Brown, said namesake’s son, currently owns the Bengals. If you want to make the case that the Browns should reboot and change the name, the case isn’t that the real “Browns” moved to Baltimore it’s that the real Browns left town long before that. Let’s be consistent. As I recall, Coach Brown used to say that he deserved some measure of credit for the Cleveland Browns’ 1964 NFL Championship, because the team consisted mainly of his former players. Brown was wrong, because the team was ready to mutiny under his leadership and a change in coaching had to be made when it was. That 1964 team was ably coached by Blanton Collier who was an excellent coach in his own right and remained a consistent NFL contender until Collier’s retirement in 1970 after his hearing failed. If the “real Browns” are in now in Cincinnati, then the 1964 NFL champs belong to no one and that’s just a silly proposition. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-sick-of-the-browns/645597/14 "2012-12-31T05:38:53Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > What’s confusing? The Browns fired their namesake. Paul Brown, said namesake’s son, currently owns the Bengals. If you want to make the case that the Browns should reboot and change the name, the case isn’t that the real “Browns” moved to Baltimore it’s that the real Browns left town long before that. Of course that’s supposed to say “Mike Brown”. > [@zamboniracer](#): > > Let’s be consistent. As I recall, Coach Brown used to say that he deserved some measure of credit for the Cleveland Browns’ 1964 NFL Championship, because the team consisted mainly of his former players. Brown was wrong, because the team was ready to mutiny under his leadership and a change in coaching had to be made when it was. That 1964 team was ably coached by Blanton Collier who was an excellent coach in his own right and remained a consistent NFL contender until Collier’s retirement in 1970 after his hearing failed. If the “real Browns” are in now in Cincinnati, then the 1964 NFL champs belong to no one and that’s just a silly proposition. Not sure what you think is inconsistent. An argument was made that the city of Cleveland’s attachment to the name “Browns” should have ended when Modell moved the team. I’m just pointing out that by that logic their attachment should have ended when the guy actually named Brown was run out of town. Of course both arguments are silly, but I’d say it’s ultimately very consistent.