# I am so fucking sick and tired of the same fucking homophobic "arguments" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 14, 2005, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805 "2005-05-14T04:56:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/121 "2005-05-17T22:38:35Z")
I wouldn’t be a damn dirty homo but girls are so soft. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/122 "2005-05-18T10:10:34Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > People don’t respect religion on this forum. They don’t respect personal faith, they feel the religious are either stupid or ignorant. Many of you have legitimate beefs with religious groups that are full of and lead by bigots. But that isn’t all of Christianity. But most people on this forum do not care because there is a level of disdain and hatred for Christians that you are all simply waiting to unleash at the slightest provocation. > > That’s why I can agree with you that you should be mad about people who are constantly looking down on your lifestyle. But at the same time I can find this thread to be somewhat regrettable because it unleashes barely-restrained anti-Christian bigotry and intolerance. > > And of course on this forum anytime we talk about Christianity we seem to start in on the “fact” that Americans are all a bunch of inbred redneck fundies. You know, I’ll have to disagree with you. I’ve never hid the fact that I’m a devout Christian on this board, but I’ve experience very little disdain and no hatred for it, and the folks I have experienced disdain from haven’t tended to stick around. In my experience, the Teeming Millions do tend to react badly to poor logic, mental rigidity, and narrow, unexamined beliefs, but that happens whether the person’s using religion to support him or herself or not. It’s happened in two threads here in the Pit this week. I’ve also never read anyone claim that “Americans are all a bunch of inbred redneck fundies.” Heck, you can’t even safely get away witl all residents of [state] are a bunch of inbred redneck fundies. Then again, maybe I’m doing this whole Christianity thing wrong? 😕 CJ ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/123 "2005-05-18T11:41:29Z")
> [@Lilairen](#): > > “Matrimony” has religious overtones. The word in English for “civil union” is “marriage”. Well the new word for “civil union” is civil union. To ME marriage is religous, civil union is legal. I am more then happy for both to be legal, actually VERY happy both are now legal. I was less then happy with marriage being the only way to protect oneself legally. There are many reasons why straight couples will use civil unions. I am very happy that gay couple share the same rights. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/124 "2005-05-18T11:51:02Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > most people dislike homosexuals because they find them disgusting, they dislike their lifestyle, they find homosexuals to be effeminate and they associate that negatively. In many segments of the world there is a cultural distaste for homosexuals. I find people of most religions “disgusting”…well not really, just going with your rhetoric. I find it best not to think about other peoples sex life. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/125 "2005-05-18T12:21:01Z")
[QUOTE=calm kiwi] Well the new word for “civil union” is civil union. To ME marriage is religous, civil union is legal.QUOTE]Sorry, kiwi, but in reality, civil law possed the concept of marriage first. Furthermore, when an heterosexual couple goes in front of a judge, and signs a marriage contract in a non-religous enviroment, they can be refered to as a having being married **and** having a civil union. So can a couple who have a religous ceremony. This is due to the fact that, again, marriage is a union between two people, in civil law. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/126 "2005-05-18T12:22:46Z")
How the hell did that happen? > [@calm kiwi](#): > > Well the new word for “civil union” is civil union. To ME marriage is religous, civil union is legal. Sorry, kiwi, but in reality, civil law possed the concept of marriage first. Furthermore, when an heterosexual couple goes in front of a judge, and signs a marriage contract in a non-religous enviroment, they can be refered to as a having being married **and** having a civil union. So can a couple who have a religous ceremony. This is due to the fact that, again, marriage is a union between two people, in civil law. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/127 "2005-05-18T12:32:56Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > How the hell did that happen?Sorry, kiwi, but in reality, civil law possed the concept of marriage first. Furthermore, when an heterosexual couple goes in front of a judge, and signs a marriage contract in a non-religous enviroment, they can be refered to as a having being married **and** having a civil union. So can a couple who have a religous ceremony. This is due to the fact that, again, marriage is a union between two people, in civil law. Exactly! Hell isn’t the point legal, publicly recognised unions? For everyone! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/128 "2005-05-18T16:00:51Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I can’t dance (couldn’t find the beat if I looked with a flashlight and Sacagawea\* on retainer), can just barely tell an Armani from a leisure suit (and couldn’t care much either way if the person wearing it is comfortable in it), L-O-A-T-H-E most gay bars (too loud, too smokey [and I’m a smoker], wrong music and I can be ignored at home without paying a cover charge), consider $100 something you pay for a wardrobe rather than a single item of clothing, and I’m about as much a neat freak as the … [Ahnold the Governator voice]Are you my clone, or am I da clone? ya ya ya! [/Ahnold] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/129 "2005-05-18T23:03:50Z")
> [@monkeyfist](#): > > We all know that not every Christian is an “inbred redneck fund[y]” > However, The christian “flag” in the banner most often waved in the fight against equal rights for homosexuals. It’s the same “flag” waved in opposition to abortion rights. Forgive some of us if we remember from history those same christian “flags” waved in support of slavery and separation of the races. It is disingenuous to try and separate the fight against gay rights from the christian fundamentalists. If you don’t like the way the fundamentalist christains are behaving, as a christian, you should be angry with them. > > Not all christians are illogical, bigoted and hate filled, but it seems that the more vocal and adamant a christian is, the more hate filled, bigoted and illogical they appear. And many Christians also waved the banners of abolition and civil rights. You may remember the title “Reverend” going with MLK’s name. You may remember that many religious groups in America fought against slavery even during the colonial era and long before slavery was illegal _anywhere._ You may remember that many U.S. churches split North and South over the issue of slavery _before_ the country did so. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/130 "2005-05-18T23:05:03Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That’s what I said. Lately, this sort of people aren’t “manly” enough to come right out and say that though, so the hide behind a Bible, cherrypicking a bit here, a bit there. They don’t even have the balls tho just say “I hate you”, they have to pin it on God. So, if these “heroes” wave a banner of “Christianity”, then to call them by the label they chose is proper and fitting. Many White Pride groups label themselves patriots or freedom fighters, should we call them that simply because they want to distort the meaning of the label? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/131 "2005-05-18T23:07:54Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > No, but it’s a job too many(one is too many) take on and beat a hom to death for God. > > YOU are now spouting stereotypes. > > We don’t have a LIFESTYLE. Like you, we have lives that are different and varied. > > We’re not effeminate. As Elvira Kurt once said: “We look just like you.” > > If you don’t wanna be disgusted, stop imagining what you _think_ we do in bed. > > And to all those who have a problem with these statements: > > Basically, grow the fuck up, mind your own damn business, and stop trying to legislate your narrow fucking perspective. I’m loathe to even justify this comment with any response because I find it regrettable when I have to fix reading comprehension problems for people. I said _people_ (not myself) find homosexuals disgusting, effeminate (and make the association that effeminate = bad, which is another can of worms) etc I did not say I did. I think we have all be alive long enough at this point to recognize the common sense anti-gay rhetoric and I think most of us with common sense know what people who hate homosexuals say about them. ---
**Author:** ![monkeyfist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9c0ed/32.png) [@monkeyfist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monkeyfist)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/132 "2005-05-19T00:23:13Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > And many Christians also waved the banners of abolition and civil rights. You may remember the title “Reverend” going with MLK’s name. You may remember that many religious groups in America fought against slavery even during the colonial era and long before slavery was illegal _anywhere._ You may remember that many U.S. churches split North and South over the issue of slavery _before_ the country did so. Yeah, your right, the black christian you named DID work for civil rights. :rolleyes: Way to respond to the metaphor example and not the actual topic at hand… before you go there, I know that many WHITE christains also fought for the end to slavery and for the civil rights movement, my point was that christianity is being used NOW like it was THEN as a justification for bigotry and oppression. Unlike the slavery and civil rights movements though, the fight against gay rights in this country is almost ENTIRELY a christian movement. The MAJORITY of those that are adamantly fighting against the equal rights of gays are christians and using their christain ideals to oppress the gay community. > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > This is ridiculous. Firstly it is quite the claim that most people dislike homosexuals or find support for gay bashing from Christianity. **You** are ridiculous if you cannot see why anyone would think this after constantly listening to the barrage of christian/anti-gay dogma that is constantly being espoused by aresholes in this country, including our government. People don’t say, “I oppose gay marriage cause it’s gross” because that is not a supportable arugment. Rather, they use \*\*the church \*\* and a moral pile of crap to support their ignorant personal bias. F them and their disgust. \*I \* think eating raw fish is gross, but I can’t make a law against it. Now if only I could find the biblical passage to start my new movement… F’in ignorant bunch of F’in aresholes ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/133 "2005-05-19T00:24:54Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Many White Pride groups label themselves patriots or freedom fighters, should we call them that simply because they want to distort the meaning of the label? I see a bit of a difference in an intercontinental organization of more than a billion followers (the Roman Catholic Church) or in organizations such as the Southern Baptist Conference (whose membership is the majority in some Congressional districts) or the philosophies and self definition openly espoused by hundreds of senators, representatives and other elected officials and the rantings of what can only be called loosely organized fringe groups. Once you get into “which Christians are the _true_ Scotsmen?” it’s a whole other debate, since technically all that is required to be Christian is acceptance of Jesus Christ as the Messiah and they do that. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805/134 "2005-05-19T01:19:45Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Many White Pride groups label themselves patriots or freedom fighters, should we call them that simply because they want to distort the meaning of the label? Absolutely not. I get what you say, and you’re right. I could just call them shitheads, but I do need something more specific, so people know which group of shitheads I mean. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-fucking-sick-and-tired-of-the-same-fucking-homophobic-arguments/303805.md?page=6)