# I am so sick of loud motorcycles **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2012, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886 "2012-04-15T21:57:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iamnotbatman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/858c86/32.png) [@iamnotbatman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamnotbatman)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/101 "2012-04-18T08:38:37Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > [aside] What is the current term for sociopath/psychopath? [/aside] [aside]What were formally categorized as “sociopathic” traits in the early versions of the [DSM](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual) are since the DSM-III (1980) a form of (ie a subset along a spectrum of) _Antisocial personality disorder_. Just as there were different subcategories of sociopaths, there is s spectrum of Antisocial behavior, some more severe than others. What you may have previously called a “narcissistic sociopath”, you might now refer to as a “reputation-defending antisocial.” In any case, the term “sociopath” is more convenient and understood in social contexts, and it is what I use colloquially. My nitpick is with the difference between “sociopath” and “psychopath,” which is largely of only historical interest. The terms are basically synonymous. BTW, in the upcoming DSM-V, the category might be changed again to “Antisocial/Psychopathic Type”, because a lot of people still like and use the former name and criteria and aren’t completely satisfied with the new definitions. Here are the DMS-IV [criteria](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#DSM-IV), if you want to compare them with your perception of **Bambro** , who certainly satisfies #7[/aside] ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/102 "2012-04-18T21:42:42Z")
Your problems with loud pipes have only just begun. [Beware](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n17B_uFF4cA). ---
**Author:** ![dngnb8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@dngnb8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dngnb8)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/103 "2012-04-18T22:17:54Z")
> [@The\_Surb](#): > > Maybe you should read, too. Just a thought. I did read the quoted post. Just a response ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/104 "2012-04-19T01:26:27Z")
> [@iamnotbatman](#): > > [aside]What were formally categorized as “sociopathic” traits in the early versions of the [DSM](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual) are since the DSM-III (1980) a form of (ie a subset along a spectrum of) _Antisocial personality disorder_. Just as there were different subcategories of sociopaths, there is s spectrum of Antisocial behavior, some more severe than others. What you may have previously called a “narcissistic sociopath”, you might now refer to as a “reputation-defending antisocial.” In any case, the term “sociopath” is more convenient and understood in social contexts, and it is what I use colloquially. My nitpick is with the difference between “sociopath” and “psychopath,” which is largely of only historical interest. The terms are basically synonymous. BTW, in the upcoming DSM-V, the category might be changed again to “Antisocial/Psychopathic Type”, because a lot of people still like and use the former name and criteria and aren’t completely satisfied with the new definitions. Here are the DMS-IV [criteria](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#DSM-IV), if you want to compare them with your perception of **Bambro** , who certainly satisfies #7[/aside] [final aside] Thanks for the info! Tho is seems to me that sociopath is a more correct term than antisocial personality disorder. 😃 [/final aside] ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/105 "2012-04-19T05:50:49Z")
Do they have special loudspeakers on electric bikes? To make them emit noise? An electric bike must be dangerous-they are so quiet. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/106 "2012-04-19T11:14:06Z")
The other day I heard a loud motorcycle. The guy was also playing music really loud. Adele. I like Adele, but her voice sounds horrible against the roar of a motorcycle engine. And the Doppler effect sure doesn’t help. I was walking when he passed me. I turned onto another street ten minutes later, and he passed me going in the other direction. Still playing Adele. I didn’t even know motorcycles had sound systems. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/107 "2012-04-19T12:12:51Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Hmmm, I like the idea of a “loud pipes = short dicks” bumper sticker… [like this one?](http://dugmar.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/IMG3140/320278844_ESgSt-L.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/108 "2012-04-19T13:57:16Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > [like this one?](http://dugmar.smugmug.com/Other/Misc/IMG3140/320278844_ESgSt-L.jpg) I’m not a bumper sticker kind of gal, but I might reconsider for that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cobra22](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5ac83/32.png) [@Cobra22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cobra22)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/109 "2012-04-19T21:29:35Z")
People today are a bunch of whiny ass sally’s. Oh my god lets not offend someone, an angel will lose its wings. Seriously suck it up, the world doesn’t revolve around any individual and as a free man it is my right to do whatever I please, (at least until it’s all regulated away), as long as I don’t HARM another person. As far as your feelings go, I.E. I feel offended because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \<—insert offense here, nobody cares about your wittle bitty feelings. This is a free Country if you don’t like freedom move. Stop crying about what offends you, BE A MAN keep that shit to yourself. and for the love of God please stop asking for more government regulation, I.E. “I wish the cops would crack down” don’t you think we are regulated enough??? Anyhow my 2 cents Cobra22 out. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/110 "2012-04-19T21:44:22Z")
> [@Cobra22](#): > > People today are a bunch of whiny ass sally’s. You signed up especially to post this shit? Seriously, suck it up. The world doesn’t revolve around you and as free people, it’s our right to bitch and complain about your inconsiderate behavior, as long as it doesn’t HARM anybody. Maybe if you actually took other people into consideration AT ALL, there wouldn’t be so many calls for regulations. Didn’t anybody ever teach you manners? If they had, there wouldn’t be a need to have somebody with a gun and nightstick force you to actually show some. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/111 "2012-04-19T22:03:42Z")
> [@Cobra22](#): > > People today are a bunch of whiny ass sally’s. Oh my god lets not offend someone, an angel will lose its wings. Seriously suck it up, the world doesn’t revolve around any individual and as a free man it is my right to do whatever I please, (at least until it’s all regulated away), as long as I don’t HARM another person. As far as your feelings go, I.E. I feel offended because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \<—insert offense here, nobody cares about your wittle bitty feelings. This is a free Country if you don’t like freedom move. Stop crying about what offends you, BE A MAN keep that shit to yourself. > and for the love of God please stop asking for more government regulation, I.E. “I wish the cops would crack down” don’t you think we are regulated enough??? > > Anyhow my 2 cents > > Cobra22 out. Oh I can capitalize too. Waking me up at 2am IS HARMING me. So suck my dick. People like you…I want your every fucking move regulated. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/112 "2012-04-19T22:27:04Z")
Do snotty Critical Mass twenty-somethings on fixies become blubbery middle-age Harley riders, and then go on to be palsied seniors blocking traffic with McMansion-on-wheels Winnebagos? Is there a remedy through forced sterilization? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/113 "2012-04-19T23:14:29Z")
I might be more on board with this pitting than any other in the history of the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/114 "2012-04-19T23:23:32Z")
> [@Cobra22](#): > > People today are a bunch of whiny ass sally’s. Oh my god lets not offend someone, an angel will lose its wings. Seriously suck it up, the world doesn’t revolve around any individual and as a free man it is my right to do whatever I please, (at least until it’s all regulated away), as long as I don’t HARM another person. As far as your feelings go, I.E. I feel offended because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \<—insert offense here, nobody cares about your wittle bitty feelings. This is a free Country if you don’t like freedom move. Stop crying about what offends you, BE A MAN keep that shit to yourself. > and for the love of God please stop asking for more government regulation, I.E. “I wish the cops would crack down” don’t you think we are regulated enough??? > > Anyhow my 2 cents > > Cobra22 out. I wouldn’t pay you that much. People like you think your freedom to do whatever the hell you want trumps other people’s freedom likewise. All your ranting about sucking it up and the world not revolving around individuals applies to you also. You’re just too self centered to realise the implications. Implications are for other people to suffer, right? Not you. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/115 "2012-04-19T23:35:48Z")
I’m a middle aged guy who rides a bike, and it is not a loud pipes cruiser. I fucking hate loud pipes. My bike sounds docile, but it will actually toast any thumping cruiser out there. As a rider, I fucking hate the negative image that gets attached to all of us because of the seemingly huge percentage of riders that come across as absolute dicks. You know what saves lives? Knowing how to ride safely, wearing bright colored armor, and not being a prick. Oh, and by the way, my bike idles quite nicely, no blipping of the throttle required to keep it from sputtering. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/116 "2012-04-19T23:53:03Z")
> [@Cobra22](#): > > People today are a bunch of whiny ass sally’s. Oh my god lets not offend someone, an angel will lose its wings. Seriously suck it up, the world doesn’t revolve around any individual and as a free man it is my right to do whatever I please, (at least until it’s all regulated away), as long as I don’t HARM another person. As far as your feelings go, I.E. I feel offended because of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \<—insert offense here, nobody cares about your wittle bitty feelings. This is a free Country if you don’t like freedom move. Stop crying about what offends you, BE A MAN keep that shit to yourself. > and for the love of God please stop asking for more government regulation, I.E. “I wish the cops would crack down” don’t you think we are regulated enough??? > > Anyhow my 2 cents > > Cobra22 out. Get back under your bridge, troll. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/117 "2012-04-20T02:06:27Z")
Strike first. Strike hard. Show no mercy. _COBRA KAI!!!_ Whoopsie, I wet myself. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/118 "2012-04-20T07:07:24Z")
Amusingly, the “I like loud pipes so fuck you” attitude seems to be the exact **opposite** of what actual motorcycle organizations and companies are [promoting](http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/newsandupdates/0602_crup_harley_davidson_motorcycle_noise/index.html): > [@](#): > > In a message entitled “Something We Never Want to Lose” on his company’s website, Harley-Davidson Motor Company President and CEO Jim McCaslin tackles the issue of motorcycle noise and the increasing backlash motorcycling is experiencing as the result of loud pipes. Citing a four-fold increase in negative media coverage during the last decade, bans on motorcycles in some communities, attempts to curtail major motorcycle events, anti-tamper legislation, and other limitations of freedom for motorcyclists as the result of complaints about loud pipes, McCaslin says, “We all, every Hog lovin’ one of us, must do everything we can to protect our sport and keep it as strong as it is today.” > > In other words, it’s time to pipe down. […] > > Industry concern over the problem of loud exhaust pipes is nothing new. The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) has long warned riders that attitudes shaped by complaints about loud pipes frequently compromise the AMA’s efforts to battle anti-motorcycling legislation and regulation. That same concern was echoed by the Motorcycle Riders Foundation a few years ago when it adopted the AMA’s stance against loud pipes. The Motorcycle Industry Council has conducted anti-noise campaigns for over 30 years. […] > > Some motorcyclists profess to believe that “loud pipes save lives,” although research tends to contradict that popular axiom. (Few of those who say they want exhaust noise for safety’s sake use other means–such as brightly colored apparel–which have been proven effective.) […] > > As the leader in the cruiser market, Harley’s public stance on loud exhaust pipes may finally signal a turning point for an issue that continues to put motorcyclists in a very bad light and prompts increasing calls for restrictions on motorcycles and motorcyclists. Though some riders will try to contend that their noise doesn’t really bother anybody, that they have some sort of right to annoy everyone they ride past, or that their noise protects them, such arguments have to sound increasingly hollow when the biggest cruiser-motorcycle maker points out that they are actually risking all motorcyclists’ freedoms and asks them to “think about the consequences our actions have on others, before others take action against us.” When the major civic and commercial **leaders** of your hobby activity are criticizing your habits as selfish and harmful, you really have to be some kind of utterly self-centered asshole to say “who cares, I can do whatever I want”. If nothing but bans on motorcycles will bring these people to their senses, well, I’m ready to vote. Sadly, because most of the non-noisy bikers I’ve met out on the road are actually very nice. And as a cyclist, I appreciate them as fellow proponents of the “share the road” message and because they don’t take up lots of space and crowd me on the shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/119 "2012-04-20T13:41:26Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Do snotty Critical Mass twenty-somethings on fixies become blubbery middle-age Harley riders, and then go on to be palsied seniors blocking traffic with McMansion-on-wheels Winnebagos? Is there a remedy through forced sterilization? I hope not. I get what you’re saying - bicyclists who get their jollies tying up traffic while pretending moral righteousness - but it really hurts my worldview to think those people became overweight Harley riders. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886/120 "2012-04-20T13:52:59Z")
> [@dngnb8](#): > > So do helmets, and theyre quieter > > _I ride_ I am stealing this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-loud-motorcycles/618886.md?page=7)