# I am so sick of the damned fear-mongering. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 8, 2009, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265 "2009-09-08T10:59:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![riff\_raff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/97f17d/32.png) [@riff\_raff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/riff_raff)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/61 "2009-09-09T18:48:53Z")
I find this debate fascinating. I recall an American I know posting a quote on another Board (attributed to a famous American) paraphrased as “The value of a country can be determined by the number of people wanting in versus the number of people wanting out”. I thought that point was valid. By that standard, the United States is great country. (By many other standards as well) So is Canada As a Canadian, I am proud of the fact that we have Universal Health Care, that we allow marriage of gay couples, that we allow stem cell research and that almost all forms of firearm ownership are illegal. I think we are a great country (in part) _because_ of those policies, not in spite of them. All of these policies have come about in the last fifty years or so and we have not degenerated into a Totalitarian Regime. Our experiences with universal health care have been very positive overall. The problem that is starting to arise is that the costs of health care is growing exponentially with new technologies becoming available. we are now debating the wisdom of a new model which is a private/public mixture. As far as I know, the US is the only industrialized country that does not have universal health care. Can all of the rest of us be so wrong? I think with all the models available from all the different countries that have universal health care, you guys should be able to pick and choose which policies work well and which not so well and tailor your health care to your own county’s particular needs. My point is that a great society is created by a balance between Socialist values and Capitalist values. Too much of each leads to extremism. Let the pendulum swing a little, it’s not so bad.🙂 Before I get labeled as a “long haired hippie type Pinko fag”, I am a pretty average Canadian. I have a good paying job, wife, two kids and a house in the suburbs - a lot like your average American?? I do have right wing leanings to go along with my left though. I think I pay WAY too much in taxes, I think our immigration policy is too lax and I think we are way too easy on criminals. But see - my left pretty much balances out my right so I just chug along as a reasonably happy well balanced guy. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/62 "2009-09-09T20:28:30Z")
> [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > You know, I would have responded to this thread with something like, “It’s just the media, no one really buys into this shit.” But since joining Facebook and having about 100 friends on there, there are about 5 or 6 who EVERY FUCKING DAY write tirades on how the left is going to send the US into poverty or like the point you brought up, Jman, Obama’s speech to kids in classrooms. The furor that this incited is mind-boggling. Comments like “I’ll raise my own kid, Mr. President, thankyouverymuch!” (actual comment) litter my Facebook home page every day. It IS surreal, PrettyVacant. It’s almost as if people don’t have the ability or desire to think for themselves are parrot (or worse, actually BELIEVE) whatever they hear. > > It’s amazing. It’s mass hysteria. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/63 "2009-09-09T21:18:16Z")
> [@riff\_raff](#): > > I find this debate fascinating. > I recall an American I know posting a quote on another Board (attributed to a famous American) paraphrased as “The value of a country can be determined by the number of people wanting in versus the number of people wanting out”. > I thought that point was valid. > By that standard, the United States is great country. (By many other standards as well) > So is Canada > > As a Canadian, I am proud of the fact that we have Universal Health Care, that we allow marriage of gay couples, that we allow stem cell research and that almost all forms of firearm ownership are illegal. > I think we are a great country (in part) _because_ of those policies, not in spite of them. > All of these policies have come about in the last fifty years or so and we have not degenerated into a Totalitarian Regime. > Our experiences with universal health care have been very positive overall. The problem that is starting to arise is that the costs of health care is growing exponentially with new technologies becoming available. we are now debating the wisdom of a new model which is a private/public mixture. > As far as I know, the US is the only industrialized country that does not have universal health care. Can all of the rest of us be so wrong? > I think with all the models available from all the different countries that have universal health care, you guys should be able to pick and choose which policies work well and which not so well and tailor your health care to your own county’s particular needs. > My point is that a great society is created by a balance between Socialist values and Capitalist values. Too much of each leads to extremism. > Let the pendulum swing a little, it’s not so bad.🙂 > > Before I get labeled as a “long haired hippie type Pinko fag”, I am a pretty average Canadian. > I have a good paying job, wife, two kids and a house in the suburbs - a lot like your average American?? > I do have right wing leanings to go along with my left though. > I think I pay WAY too much in taxes, I think our immigration policy is too lax and I think we are way too easy on criminals. > But see - my left pretty much balances out my right so I just chug along as a reasonably happy well balanced guy. This is a nice post. One big problem here in the U.S. is that, dating back to at least the Vietnam War demonstrations, anger, insults and attempts at intimidation have been the weapons chosen to acheive social change (though signs and reverberations of these types of attitudes can be found going back to the turn of the twentieth century). Naturally this approach has caused much resentment and a backlash in kind, and now we have a situation in this country where each side (or at least the impassioned movers and shakers who make things happen) pretty fairly hate each other, and along with this hate comes a massive distrust. Each side suspects the motives of the other and so each side has dug in, refusing to give an inch. As to what the solution is – realistically speaking – I have no idea. I’ve been surprised to see that there are certain people on both sides who would really like to see the country split in two, with each side having its own country. (I have to admit that I’ve entertained such fantasies myself. :D) But such a solution is wholly unworkable, if for no other reason than that people of differing ideologies are often married to, or the parents or siblings of, each other. Division of resources would be another huge sticking point. Another problem is that here in this country we don’t (and can’t) pick and choose things from other countries that work well and then determine how to integrate them into our own particular set of societal circumstances. No, we largely have laws and policy foist upon us by presidents that approximately fifty percent of the nation disagrees with most of the time, and by a Congress that almost everyone thinks very poorly of (their own particular congressman notwithstanding, that is). These people decide amongst themselves what we’ll get and how we’ll get it, and neither we nor what is going on in other countries has more than a nominal influence on what we eventually wind up with. Anyway, again, yours was a nice post. If more people in this country (and admittedly I’m one this would apply to, as well) had the same types of attitudes and comported themselves in the way that you and **Maastricht** do, things would go a great deal better. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/64 "2009-09-09T23:21:22Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is a nice post. > > One big problem here in the U.S. is that, dating back to at least the Vietnam War demonstrations, anger, insults and attempts at intimidation have been the weapons chosen to acheive social change (though signs and reverberations of these types of attitudes can be found going back to the turn of the twentieth century). Psst. Look up. I quoted a version of the whole ‘anger, insults, and attempts at intimidation’ thing dating back to 1884. You can actually go back a _lot_ further than that. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/65 "2009-09-09T23:47:26Z")
I’m sure it has always existed to some degree, but IMO it didn’t bleed over and become characteristic of generalized public discourse until the sixties. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/66 "2009-09-10T09:22:03Z")
Your opinion is incorrect. It has _always_ been a characteristic of generalized public discourse. One of my favorite examples: > [@Wiki](#): > > Marcus Calpurnius Bibulus (d. 48 BC) was a politician of the late Roman Republic. […] In 59 BC he was elected consul, supported by the optimates, conservative republicans in the Senate and opponents of Julius Caesar’s triumvirate. […] > > Bibulus’ only major act as consul was to veto Caesar’s bill giving land in Campania to Pompey’s soldiers, and to then declare that the rest of the days on which the Centuriate Assembly could meet would be religious holidays. Caesar presented his bill at the Assembly anyway, and when Bibulus tried to intervene, the crowd broke his fasces and dumped feces on him. These days the dumping of feces is largely metaphorical but what’s happened in the post-war era is an increased volume of information (and disinformation!) via television and, much later, the internet, which has fed the fire, and likewise an increased coverage of that discourse which serves to create [a feedback loop](http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-3-2009/master-rebators---the-crank-cycle). There was substantial opposition to the US joining both World Wars, but Vietnam was the first time the protests were _televised_. If you want the major catalyst for bad behavior, don’t blame the liberals, blame mass media. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/67 "2009-09-10T09:59:55Z")
If you want, we could talk about the Draft Riots in NYC in the 1860s instead. They fired cannister shot down sixth avenue. You could still see the scars on the buildings till the mid-1980s. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/68 "2009-09-10T10:27:14Z")
Yeah, we could talk about sporadic instances of protest and violence going back all the way to the beginning of recorded history, and it would mean nothing. I’m talking about the way the left as a whole has adopted insults, anger and intimidation as their preferred method of achieving social change. This type of behavior has characterized liberal promotion of every liberal cause starting with the late sixties. It was characteristic of the anti-war movement, the cultural revolution, women’s rights, civil rights (a movement which, interestingly enough, was quite civil and honorable until white liberals jumped on the bandwagon), homosexual rights, etc., etc., etc. This type of behavior by entire political ideologies was virtually unheard of in this country throughout at least the twentieth century up to the late sixties. Even people around here freely own up to it and justify their tactics by claiming that civility is too slow. People around here often bemoan the fact that shows like William F. Buckley’s program _Firing Line_, where intelligent people of differing ideologies discuss the issues of the day calmly and rationally, can no longer be found. The reason for that is that the cultural standards of today, which have been shaped and fashioned by the left, do not allow for civilized discussion of the issues. No, when it comes to the left, it’s “our way or you’re an evil asshole!” And now the right is finally beginning to fight fire with fire – which is regrettable but really the only option to keep from being steamrolled by the tactics of the left – and so here we are now where everything is polarized and everyone hates each other and everyone mistrusts each other and everyone acts like entitled assholes who don’t have to moderate their behavior for anyone. I’ve often thought to myself that if a time machine existed and someone from JFK’s day could be suddenly brought into today’s country, they would absolutely not be able to believe that things could get so fucked up in such a short amount of time. But they have, and the chickens that are coming home to roost now in the form of a divided country in which everyone hates and mistrusts the other side, are the direct result of the tactics deliberately embraced by the left in its arrogance that its way was the only proper way, and in its eagerness to impose that way upon everyone else. I’m sure you don’t like admitting blame for all this. I wouldn’t either. But dredging up a handful of isolated instances of political unrest over the last umpteen centuries hardly lets you off the hook for the forty years of nonstop attack dog behavior that has brought things in this country to the sorry state they are in today. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/69 "2009-09-10T12:32:29Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The good news is that it’ll all be over in 2012 according to the Mayans, Nostradamus, the Bible Code, and the fortune cookie given to Mrs. Olive Ziegler Jernigan of Fort Jefferson, Louisiana on 09/09/09. I asked the question today in General Questions. I would like to know whose date we are using. Some countries will be in 12/21/12 before we will,does that mean some of the world will end before another? Didn’t some one say,“oh what fools these mortals be”? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/70 "2009-09-10T13:13:21Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yeah, we could talk about sporadic instances of protest and violence going back all the way to the beginning of recorded history, and it would mean nothing. I’m talking about the way the left as a whole has adopted insults, anger and intimidation as their preferred method of achieving social change. This type of behavior has characterized liberal promotion of every liberal cause starting with the late sixties. It was characteristic of the anti-war movement, the cultural revolution, women’s rights, civil rights (a movement which, interestingly enough, was quite civil and honorable until white liberals jumped on the bandwagon), homosexual rights, etc., etc., etc. This type of behavior by entire political ideologies was virtually unheard of in this country throughout at least the twentieth century up to the late sixties. Even people around here freely own up to it and justify their tactics by claiming that civility is too slow. > > People around here often bemoan the fact that shows like William F. Buckley’s program _Firing Line_, where intelligent people of differing ideologies discuss the issues of the day calmly and rationally, can no longer be found. The reason for that is that the cultural standards of today, which have been shaped and fashioned by the left, do not allow for civilized discussion of the issues. No, when it comes to the left, it’s “our way or you’re an evil asshole!” And now the right is finally beginning to fight fire with fire – which is regrettable but really the only option to keep from being steamrolled by the tactics of the left – and so here we are now where everything is polarized and everyone hates each other and everyone mistrusts each other and everyone acts like entitled assholes who don’t have to moderate their behavior for anyone. > > I’ve often thought to myself that if a time machine existed and someone from JFK’s day could be suddenly brought into today’s country, they would absolutely not be able to believe that things could get so fucked up in such a short amount of time. But they have, and the chickens that are coming home to roost now in the form of a divided country in which everyone hates and mistrusts the other side, are the direct result of the tactics deliberately embraced by the left in its arrogance that its way was the only proper way, and in its eagerness to impose that way upon everyone else. > > I’m sure you don’t like admitting blame for all this. I wouldn’t either. But dredging up a handful of isolated instances of political unrest over the last umpteen centuries hardly lets you off the hook for the forty years of nonstop attack dog behavior that has brought things in this country to the sorry state they are in today. There’s just so much wrong (morally as well as factually) with everything you wrote I honestly don’t know where to start, but here’s a try: Are you saying that if only those negros had just continued to ask for their rights politely, [none of this would have happened](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9kT1yO4MGg)? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/71 "2009-09-10T13:37:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m talking about the way the left as a whole has adopted insults, anger and intimidation as their preferred method of achieving social change. Ahem. In two words, SA? > [@Rep. Wilson](#): > > YOU LIE! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/72 "2009-09-10T13:51:45Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Are you saying that if only those negros had just continued to ask for their rights politely, [none of this would have happened](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9kT1yO4MGg)? How do you know that the people who lynched Blacks and burned or blew up their churches weren’t liberals? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/73 "2009-09-10T14:01:54Z")
Yesterday I listened to the President’s speech. At one point he said that his health care reform would not raise taxes on the middle class. This morning the regional news read an email from a viewer who said, paraphrasing, ‘It looks like Obama is going to tax the middle class into poverty.’ Now, it’s debatable whether the President’s plan can be funded by increasing efficiency, using money that is wasted elsewhere in the budget, taxing insurance companies, increasing the number of people by tens of millions who are paying into insurance plans, and rescinding Bush’s tax cuts on the wealthy. But never has the President said that he would increase taxes on the middle class. Not during the campaign, nor since he’s been in office. He has specifically said that UHC would not increase taxes on the middle class. But conservatives live in some bizarro world where ‘not’ means ‘will’. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/74 "2009-09-10T14:06:55Z")
Actually, the writer said, ‘It looks like he’s going to tax all of us hardworking middls class people to death, to pay for every bum who’s never had a job in their lives. – Frank’ ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/75 "2009-09-10T14:48:26Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d love to see a year-long look into truly random patients coming out of and/or waiting for health care and see what they think about their experience. My guess, though, is that they […] will still favor their system over others because that’s what people do. If people buy Macs, they become Macintosh evangelists; if they live in Texas, they think the Cowboys are the greatest team in football; if they grow up under communism, they think communism is the best form of government; etc., etc. This is, of course, the problem with comparing different countries’ policies. Except that of course many people grow up under one system & seek to form another; that’s how reform happens. Ergo, the former Soviet Union is no longer Leninist, & the USA decided to keep Social Security. Maybe we could find some people who’ve dealt with health care both in the USA & in Europe, & they could compare their experiences in both countries! > [@](#): > > So what it boils down to is this: Do you want mediocre care provided to everyone, or do you want to find a way to provide adequate care to those who aren’t covered while still allowing the vast majority to enjoy the superior care they have now? > > So far it looks like what the government (and liberals in general) is trying to accomplish is to come up with a foot-in-the-door program that will become a fully-fledged, primarily (if not totally) govenment-operated health care system in fairly short order. This is evident in the constant harping about how great European and the Canadian health care systems allegedly are. Funny, looks like the Dem leadership is trying _to provide adequate care to those who aren’t covered while still allowing the vast majority to enjoy the superior care they have now._ **Which you just recommended.** If it works, we might stick with that instead of going to single-payer. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/76 "2009-09-10T15:07:55Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m talking about the way the left as a whole has adopted insults, anger and intimidation as their preferred method of achieving social change. This type of behavior has characterized liberal promotion of every liberal cause starting with the late sixties. What now? Certainly not the mainstream Washington left. Those guys are so nice they make me vomit. > [@](#): > > This type of behavior by entire political ideologies was virtually unheard of in this country throughout at least the twentieth century up to the late sixties. Even people around here freely own up to it and justify their tactics by claiming that civility is too slow. > **[Lynching](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching)** > > Note: Varies by jurisdiction > Note: Varies by jurisdiction > Lynching is an extrajudicial killing by a group. It is most often used to characterize informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged or convicted transgressor or to intimidate others. It can also be an extreme form of informal group social control, and it is often conducted with the display of a public spectacle (often in the form of a hanging) for maximum intimidation. Instances of lynchings and similar mob violenc... > [@](#): > > People around here often bemoan the fact that shows like William F. Buckley’s program _Firing Line_, where intelligent people of differing ideologies discuss the issues of the day calmly and rationally, can no longer be found. The reason for that is that the cultural standards of today, which have been shaped and fashioned by the left, do not allow for civilized discussion of the issues. No, when it comes to the left, it’s “our way or you’re an evil asshole!” And now the right is finally beginning to fight fire with fire Wrong. The talk radio culture is & has been more or less right wing (if not fully in the conservative movement) since the late 1980’s. And Buckley’s _National Review_ declared Rush Limbaugh the “Leader of the Opposition” in 1993 or thereabouts. > [@](#): > > I’ve often thought to myself that if a time machine existed and someone from JFK’s day could be suddenly brought into today’s country, they would absolutely not be able to believe that things could get so fucked up in such a short amount of time. Not if they remembered Father Coughlin or Joe McCarthy. > [@](#): > > …the chickens that are coming home to roost now in the form of a divided country in which everyone hates and mistrusts the other side, are the direct result of the tactics deliberately embraced by the left in its arrogance that its way was the only proper way, and in its eagerness to impose that way upon everyone else. And this sentence here sounds suspiciously like anti-FDR prose. Sorry, the right owns the culture of demonization, intimidation, & culture war. You’re ignoring great swaths of history for your own purposes. There have been leftist movements that embraced violence for well over a hundred years, but post-McGovern, the establishment left has been ridiculously nice & conciliatory. In fact, this is probably why they lose elections; they lack an interest in the fire that young men (among others) tend to demand. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/77 "2009-09-10T15:46:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > How do you know that the people who lynched Blacks and burned or blew up their churches weren’t liberals? :dubious: Liberals would have felt bad about it afterwards. But in that video, did you notice how _politely_ the shop at the two-minute mark reminded people that “No negro or ape” is allowed in the building? ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/78 "2009-09-10T15:49:21Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Ahem. In two words, SA? > > [QUOTE=Rep. Wilson, D-SC] > YOU LIE! [/QUOTE] What is this, Fox News? I think you meant to put an R by that name. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/79 "2009-09-10T16:08:09Z")
I did. Sorry, my bad. Embarrassing, what? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265/80 "2009-09-10T16:47:30Z")
> [@C3](#): > > What is this, Fox News? I think you meant to put an R by that name. If they haven’t done it yet, they will. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-so-sick-of-the-damned-fear-mongering/509265.md?page=5)