# I am well and truly sick of porn. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 26, 2002, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571 "2002-08-26T04:02:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2002, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/21 "2002-08-27T18:51:45Z")
You know, I for one, would love to see a paper on pornography. Just sitting here thinking about a college level paper on porn is making me smile. Are you going to use terms like coitus, engorged, manually released? ---
**Author:** ![Tygr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df788c/32.png) [@Tygr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tygr)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2002, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/22 "2002-08-27T21:25:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by slortar \* > **…must…restrain myself…from making…Douglas Adams…reference…** Actually, you’ve put me in mind of Huey & Bertie (the Looney Tunes mice) **andygirl** (channelling Huey): Boit, the average person watches fifty-three hours of porn in it’s lifetime. I figure tonight, I’ve lived two t’ousand years… ---
**Author:** ![SwimmingRiddles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SwimmingRiddles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwimmingRiddles)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2002, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/23 "2002-08-27T22:07:43Z")
I took a media psychology class. Different intellectual goal, same result. But in my case, it was because of a film called Dreamworlds 2, by UMASS professor Sut Jahaly (sp?). Basically, it drew a correllation between the objectivication of women in music videos and violent porn. Sorta. Disturbing as all hell. Then there was my job at the video store, where we had to reshelve the porn titles at the end of the night shift. My favorite line was when my mild-mannered friend Lloyd ran out from the porn room and exclaimed: “_Just Kissing…and More_ is SOOOO much more then just kissing.” ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/24 "2002-08-28T03:10:52Z")
Mbwahaha! The Feminist Paper O’Doom has been turned in. (Thanks, Matt, for the email- nice to know I’m not the only one who thinks MacKinnon is a raving loon.) Basically, my paper was about how ridiculous it is to ban pornography on the grounds that it is the cause of society’s ills and misogyny. (My position is that it is reflective of it, but certainly not the cause.) Meatros, I didn’t use any of those words, but in my works cited page I have about three links that would get me banned if I posted them here… ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/25 "2002-08-28T03:52:35Z")
**meatros** : > [@](#): > > You know, I for one, would love to see a paper on pornography. Just sitting here thinking about a college level paper on porn is making me smile [Here you go](http://home.earthlink.net/~ahunter/VisAspectSex/lusting_1.html) Be forewarned that it’s a lot more sympathetic to Dworkin and less so to porn than the academic mainstream these days. But I daresay it isn’t knee-jerk _anything_. Feel free to disparage. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2002, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/26 "2002-08-30T13:35:45Z")
So you’re not completely left out, here are a few choice segments from the essay I mentioned, for my Sexual Ethics class last year: > [@](#): > > A Dirty Picture: > Catharine Mackinnon, Sallie Tisdale, and the Impact of Pornography > > The tempest of human arousal being at its heart, pornography provokes little in half-measures. Not the least impassioned of those who discuss and deal with pornography is Catharine Mackinnon, a proponent of the radical branch of feminism who regards porn as an unredeemable mass of sexism distilled. She thunders her disgust with porn, its sexism, its degradation of women, and its involvement with male sexuality, which is equated with that of the rapist. Of course, those in the throes of passion are not known for clear thinking, which goes for rhetoric as much as it does for sex. Mackinnon’s argument is groundless, and Sallie Tisdale offers a useful alternative vision. > [@](#): > > She makes a galaxy of unfair conflations and overgeneralizations, only two of the most egregious examples of which are, “Men…create scenes in which women desperately want to be bound, battered, tortured, humiliated, and killed. Or merely taken and used. This is erotic to the male point of view” (CP 314), and “Exactly what is defined as degrading to a human being… is exactly what is sexually arousing to the male point of view in pornography” (CP 320). She takes a part for the whole, equates and conflates all pornography with the most hard-core sadomasochistic pornography which constitutes a fraction thereof, and claims that men in general find rape arousing – constructing men as much as she claims any pornographer constructs women. And she still fails to demonstrate that porn – even sadomasochistic porn – is harmful to women further than to just assert that it is so. > Some of her assertions are not just unsupported, but blatantly false, such as “If there is no inequality, no violation, no dominance, no force, there is no sexual arousal” (CP 320). This has nothing to do with the real experience of this critic’s extensive sex life, nor that of any of his male or female friends or acquaintances. Not every sex act is rape. Not every sex act is an SM trip. Not every sex act is even penetrative. Apparently Mackinnon did not bother to speak with any actual people before making this wild assertion. > [@](#): > > [Sallie Tisdale]she says, “to talk about pornography means having to talk about the millions of people who like to watch it, read it, think about it. If we talk about pornography with disdain, we have to talk about these millions of people with the same disdain” (CP 330) Does pornography actually cause real, sexist behaviour – discrimination, harassment, rape? Are men really so sheeplike, or is it not possible to enjoy pornography, even sadomasochistic pornography, in a context of fantasy and simulation? A hateful sexist who never consumes porn can still rape – but a man who respects women as equals will not rape, no matter how much porn he views. Perhaps a fight against the concrete harm of sexism within the male population would be more effective than tilting at pornography, still undemonstrated to be either a giant or a windmill. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2002, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/27 "2002-08-30T13:56:08Z")
I have been comtemplating the BORING nature of porn of late. 1. Someone should sell porn blooper reels. (People falling off beds and so on.) 2. Stever Irwin, “The Crocodile Hunter” would be _very_ funny in a porn movie. “Golly mate, its a pUUUsh-up bra! And a garTAH belt!” ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2002, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/28 "2002-09-02T13:44:39Z")
I think they DO have porn blooper reel. ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2002, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/29 "2002-09-02T15:04:35Z")
The porn blooper reel includes a scene of Ron Jeremy being shaved head to toe and painted and costumed as a Kabuke dancer. The most surreal thing I think I’ve ever seen, not least of which is the sheer number of razors required to depilate the Hedgehog. b. ---
**Author:** ![auRa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@auRa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auRa)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2002, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/30 "2002-09-02T16:46:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Billy Rubin \* > **The porn blooper reel includes a scene of Ron Jeremy being shaved head to toe and painted and costumed as a Kabuke dancer.** Surreal to you. Disturbing to me. :eek: Nightmares, here we come… ---
**Author:** ![Billy\_Rubin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billy_rubin/32/3622_2.png) [@Billy\_Rubin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billy_Rubin)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2002, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/31 "2002-09-02T17:04:20Z")
Now all you need, **auRa** is a dancing evil santa head (of death) singing to a wiggling coke can made into a Kabuke play, starring a shorn Ron Jeremy. You’re gonna be in therapy for years. YEARS!!! b. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2002, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571/32 "2002-09-02T18:23:25Z")
Actually, I find porn immensely amusing, or at least the boxes. Honestly, if I ever want a good laugh I’ll go to the neighborhood adult video store and just laugh and laugh and laugh… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-am-well-and-truly-sick-of-porn/125571.md?page=1)