I apologise in advance: Crop Circles

[Musicat]

GOM, the “you must believe it to see it” phrase is a twist on “you must see it to believe it,” of course, but it refers to the apparent tendancy of some people to, once they believe in some fantastic phenomena, to readily accept or observe related events that would be invisible, illogical, or irrational to non-believers. A parallel can be drawn to many religious concepts.

In brief, the mind of the True Believer operates differently from others.

Oh, dear, I didn’t explain that too well. Here’s a link that might illustrate the concept, although that’s not much better.

RE: Physical travel vs. radio communication

I see your point, (and I just put my spare cash in klorpflecks, so I hope the exchange rate is favorable) but…

You are looking at all communication as a two-way thing. Great distances make a dialogue difficult, sure, but physical travel between these same two points would take A LOT longer. A trade route would be pretty darn dicey.

If communication is one-way, the same thing is true. Radio travels faster than spaceships. If you want to make your presence known across the universe, a broadcast would be the most efficient way to make announcements.

So are you suggesting that an alien civilization, with a self-contained life-support system, and after traveling for an immense amount of time, has arrived near Earth and is hovering, making peroidic forays to attempt to talk to eathlings thru crypic crop circles?

I don’t buy it. If they are so gosh-darn advanced, is stomping on our wheat and hoping we can guess their intentions the best they can do?

[Doc_Nickel]

*Originally posted by GOM *
1. No. Nobody missed any point. Even you can’t deny that crop circles are being formed.

-Kindly point out where I said “none” were being made.

The distinction here is that you, for whatever conspiracist/UFOlogist/Tinfoil-hattist reason, want to believe that some of them are made for some nefarious, enigmatic reason.

Oooh, “the military” might have made them!

Except you have provided no reason- none- to even try to explain why “the military” might want to squash a circle in some farmer’s back forty. You just want to sit there and believe that the circle has some “higher meaning” or “dark origin” instead of being made by three kids with ropes and boards.

So, in the interests of finding out just how much of a loonie you are, what, pray tell, is the nefarious, evil purpose behind some of the supposedly “authentic” crop circles?

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You happen to believe they are all created by people with way too much time on their hands stomping around in crops in the middle of the night.**

-If by that you mean we don’t have a videotape archived of each and every recorded crop circle, ever, yes, that’s exactly right.

However, we do have literally hundreds of such tapes, from all manner of sources- News reports, the kids’ own home video, documentary footage, ad nauseum- showing groups as small as on and as large as dozens of people, making “crop circles” varying from a few feet in diameter to complex ideograms a couple of football fields long involving several dozen circles of various size.

We have no evidence- NONE, not one single valid shred other than ranting by the tinfoil-headgear crowd- of any other source of these circles.

No links to anything remotely military- the best I’ve heard was that a “black helicopter” was seen nearby recently. No links to anything “extraterrestrial”, no evidence they’re formed by pockets of … I don’t know, telepathic energy, maybe, or mystical ball-lightning, perhaps?

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The evidence does not support your belief.**

-Horseshit. It’s a known, standardized fact how most of the circles are made: One kid stands in the center with a rope, who acts as the point of a compass. Another kid, or several, use a section of flat board with a short rope "loop"to progressively stomp down the crop. Lather, rinse, repeat.

There are videos, home movies, TV documentaries, news reports, magazine articles, websites and newspaper columns detailing those facts. Facts that are 100% supported by evidence.

On the other hand, so far all you’ve done is hint that maybe, just maybe, somehow “the military” might be involved in some of them. You haven’t said how, I’m sure you can’t explain why, but it’s clear that for some reason, thinking the US Military has a Top Secret Classified Wheat Stomping Division makes you feel better.

[Testy]

*Originally posted by GOM *
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2. Depends on what type of physical travel. The alleged aliens are supposed to have “evolved” millions of years longer than humans, so their technology will make them appear like God to us. <SNIP

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I have always thought the idea of aliens with advanced technology appearing to modern, educated humans as “God” was complete hogwash. They might appear as “God” to a Borneo headhunter but not to someone familiar with technology.

Regards

Testy

[Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor]

*Originally posted by Testy *
**I have always thought the idea of aliens with advanced technology appearing to modern, educated humans as “God” was complete hogwash. They might appear as “God” to a Borneo headhunter but not to someone familiar with technology.

Regards

Testy **

Space aliens, allegedly, appear most often to hillbillies, rednecks, and other assorted trailer-trash.

Would you like to re-assess your previous statement?

[Testy]

Reassesment is definately in order. S I believe the reason it is always hillbillys of one sort or another that see the little grey men is that there is damn little wheat in New York and Paris.

Regards

Testy

[Latro]

GOM, you have been dancing around the issue for God knows how many posts now.

Why don’t you cut it and just state your view on who or what is forming crop circles, life, the universe and everything.

Or are you too afraid everybody will laugh in your face?