# I beat my kid to death because massa beat my ancestors. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 1, 2004, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057 "2004-06-01T12:42:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/61 "2004-06-02T10:34:09Z")
> [@beagledave](#): > > “Dr. Joy” btw, has her own [website](http://www.oneness.org/drjoy.html). > > You can purchase t-shirts, greeting cards AND the “Axiology and Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome lecture” (for a mere $20) > > [http://www.oneness.org/store.asp](http://www.oneness.org/store.asp) > > Ummm. Yeah. > > Fight the power. Dr. Bronner would kick her ass. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/62 "2004-06-02T11:42:12Z")
> [@I Love Me](#): > > Wasn’t Batavia actually the ancient name of the lands where Benelux is now, and the Indonesian city was named after that? Yes, although not the entire . Or more specifically, the Batavians (a tribe dating back to Caesarian times) occupied the Rhine delta, amounting to what is now the Southern and middle Netherlands (the Northern Netherlands was mostly a huge swamp at the time). They were one of few European tribes unconquered by the Romans at the time. In fact, they were allies. [Read all about the Batavians.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavians) **HPL** , of course the Dutch have personality! Why, we’re a delightfully quaint little people, known for being incredibly cheap, annoyingly arrogant, we think that the way our country is run is the best way to run _any_ country (and have widely put this in practice in the past), we consider ourselves vastly superior because we’re so tolerant (well, _now_ we are, sure) and liberal, and we are convinced we have the greatest football team in the world, which so far has only been proven true on paper, although we did win the 1988 European Championships. So, if you ever feel yourself get pissed off by ridiculous prices, uppity foreigners, know-it-all Americans who don’t know crap about a decent drug policy, xenophobic and hence inferior foreigners who don’t share your elevated tolerance, or you feel all warm and tingly when you see an orange football jersey… you just might be Dutch. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/63 "2004-06-02T11:50:14Z")
Most of my ancestors are Dutch, but that’s already been done (and I look nasty in orange), so I think I’ll claim my few Spanish ancestors and ask if I can be Grand Inquisitor! ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/64 "2004-06-02T11:59:56Z")
… and invade your own room until William of Orange kicks you out. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/65 "2004-06-02T12:00:45Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Can I beat people to death with the shoes, then bury them in the tulip garden? Only if you want Coldfire to kick your ass for stealing his schtick. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/66 "2004-06-02T16:17:31Z")
I come from a long line of poor white trash. I guess that’s the reason I never get away with anything. ---
**Author:** ![dangermom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@dangermom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dangermom)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/67 "2004-06-02T17:17:24Z")
I’m half-English, half-Irish. Sooooo…I guess I just explode. _bam_ ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/68 "2004-06-02T17:26:42Z")
> [@](#): > > an absense of potatoes Band name! ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/69 "2004-06-02T19:12:26Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > I’ve got some dutch too, but I have no idea what the Dutch are supposed to do. Cover people’s peni with gold? (Perhaps the Dutch don’t have a personality if I can’t think of any “Dutch” stereotypes?) > > “I don’t speak freaky diky dutch”. How tragic. When so many prejudices and hatreds remain vibrant, the great tradition - born in England, finding new life in the fertile soil of America - of making fun of the Dutch has withered to the point of extinction. There are…were…hundreds of expressions in English realting to the personality of the Dutch. Although to be honest, they’re so wide ranging, covering all the things people make fun of other people for, that it kind of comes down to “the Dutch suck”. …hmmm…maybe that means you don’t have a personality 😃 Anyway, the remaining expressions are “Dutch courage” (you drink) “Dutch treat” (you’re cheap) and “Dutch wife” (err…you’re bad in bed?). Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/70 "2004-06-02T19:13:16Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Band name! Woo! I’ve been “band named” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/71 "2004-06-02T21:24:16Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > Anyway, the remaining expressions are “Dutch courage” (you drink) “Dutch treat” (you’re cheap) and “Dutch wife” (err…you’re bad in bed?). Yeah, we drink, and we’re cheap. As for our women being bad in bed: my wife is American. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/72 "2004-06-02T21:41:56Z")
> [@Coldfire](#): > > Yeah, we drink, and we’re cheap. As for our women being bad in bed: my wife is American. 😃 I feel so much pride in my Dutch Ancestry…what little of I have. _sniff_ _wipes a tear from his eye_ ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2004, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/73 "2004-06-02T22:06:40Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > It’s an original argument, certainly… It might stem from [The Black Rage Defense](http://repealnow.com/cora/law&POWER/blackrage.html) in 1846 which was resurrected [some 97 years later by Ron Kuby & Bill Kunstler](http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Colin-Ferguson) in Colin Ferguson’s mass murder trial where he shot 25 commuters and killed 19. ---
**Author:** ![Reepicheep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@Reepicheep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reepicheep)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/74 "2004-06-03T02:40:49Z")
> [@Coldfire](#): > > **HPL** , of course the Dutch have personality! Why, we’re a delightfully quaint little people, known for being incredibly cheap, annoyingly arrogant, we think that the way our country is run is the best way to run _any_ country (and have widely put this in practice in the past), we consider ourselves vastly superior because we’re so tolerant (well, _now_ we are, sure) and liberal, and we are convinced we have the greatest football team in the world, which so far has only been proven true on paper, although we did win the 1988 European Championships. > > So, if you ever feel yourself get pissed off by ridiculous prices, uppity foreigners, know-it-all Americans who don’t know crap about a decent drug policy, xenophobic and hence inferior foreigners who don’t share your elevated tolerance, or you feel all warm and tingly when you see an orange football jersey… you just might be Dutch. 😃 Dayam **Coldfire**. How am I going to get the Coke off the keyboard now? ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/75 "2004-06-03T03:02:32Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > I feel so much pride in my Dutch Ancestry…what little of I have. _sniff_ _wipes a tear from his eye_ Damnit. What nationality is known for bad grammer? Oh, it doesn’t matter. I’ll just blame it on the part of me that is french. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/76 "2004-06-03T03:41:55Z")
You know, I’m willing to bet that this is the giggliest infanticide-inspired thread _ever_. ---
**Author:** ![Shirt\_Ninja\_13](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@Shirt\_Ninja\_13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirt_Ninja_13)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/77 "2004-06-03T16:11:33Z")
> [@Coldfire](#): > > OK, level with me… am I going to hell for laughing at that? 🙂 If you are, I’ll be right behind you. _hides_ _bamf_ ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/78 "2004-06-03T16:20:10Z")
> [@Shirt Ninja 13](#): > > If you are, I’ll be right behind you. _hides_ > _bamf_ Okay, I gotta ask… what’s with the _bamf_ing? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/79 "2004-06-03T16:55:04Z")
If who our ancestors are determines what should be expected of us today, then I should be expected to whine and wail and be waited on as was my ancestor King Nestor of Pylos. Oh wait, I’ve never been royalty. I’m figuring that this person who beat the kid to death was never a slave either, so why should severe beatings be so ingrained into his psyche? ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2004, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057/80 "2004-06-03T16:59:51Z")
> [@dantheman](#): > > Okay, I gotta ask… what’s with the _bamf_ing? If you have not read X-Men, you are not a whole person. Begone with you, halfman! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-beat-my-kid-to-death-because-massa-beat-my-ancestors/248057.md?page=5)