# I call bullshit on Mary Chapin Carptenter's new Starbucks cup quote **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2005, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975 "2005-11-01T21:22:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/81 "2005-11-02T15:00:04Z")
> [@TwoTrouts](#): > > Let’s take this recent conversation I had with my 18 year old step-daughter as a case for the barista’s lack of knowledge. Some new group was palying a cover of “Behind Blue Eyes” on the radio. > > Me: “Hey, _Behind Blue Eyes_! That’s a great song. > Her:” You know it?" > Me: “Yeah. It’s by The Who.” > Her: “The _Who_??? What a stupid name for a band!” I think that was Limp Bizkit doing the cover. If you want to talk about stupid names for bands… ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/82 "2005-11-02T15:01:26Z")
This has got to be the most depressing thread I’ve read in years. “Never heard it”? “Lame hippie band”? SUCK?!? Settle?!? Damn kids today. Damn stupid kids don’t know jack shit about jack shit. Talk about gleefully wallowing in ignorance. Fucking morons. I’m outa here. 'Scuse grandpa while he kisses the sky.\* \*That’s a song reference, ya dumb kids. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/83 "2005-11-02T15:06:43Z")
> [@TwoTrouts](#): > > Let’s take this recent conversation I had with my 18 year old step-daughter as a case for the barista’s lack of knowledge. Some new group was palying a cover of “Behind Blue Eyes” on the radio. She’s right, though. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/84 "2005-11-02T15:13:19Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > How is it gloating rather than an admission that she is getting old is no longer hip herself? Sounds to that it’s more likely she mourning her passing youth as she realizes what was new when she was young is now passe and out of date. It’s now nearly forgotten and irrelevant, as she fears she is becoming. That’s my take too. For the record, I teach the high school class at my church, and those punks don’t know anything about good music. Of course, I don’t know anything about the crap MTV shows they all watch either (Laguna wha?), so it works out fine. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ichbin\_Dubist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@Ichbin\_Dubist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichbin_Dubist)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/85 "2005-11-02T15:23:34Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Mary Chapin Carpenter is from this area. She’s from Jersey, actually. It’s those country singers from Jersey who went to Brown, man, always lending their names to poorly conceived advertising copy that does not read quite true. VCO3, you may also like to know that the pieces of paper you get inside those little folded cookies in Chinese restaurants may not actually presage the future for you, and that string of numbers may not actually be of any particular utility. A word to the wise is sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/86 "2005-11-02T15:25:54Z")
> [@Seven](#): > > News flash. The Beatles SUCK! > > It’s true, kids today have access to a billion more bands then kids in the 60’s did. They don’t have to settle for the fucking Beatles. > > Strawberry Fields Forever sucks as well. The recording is dated, the music is mediocre and the lyrics are just dumb. News flash! Opinions are like assholes… and yours stinks… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/87 "2005-11-02T15:26:38Z")
I was recently music shopping at Best Buy with “B”, the 11 year-old daughter of two two Thai immigrants at whose restaurant I play music. “B” is very Americanized – her tastes run to hip-hop and country. She is also very observant and remembers everything. Since the Beatles were my first major music influence, I was very pleased when “B” noticed Paul McCartney’s records. “Oooh, Paul McCartney. I’ve heard of him. Do you play any of his songs?” (She had seen a sitcom that made a joke about a mother’s mistaking her daughter’s interest in _Jesse_ McCartney). “Sure”, I beamed. "Remember hearing me play ‘Yesterday’ and “Blackbird’? Those are Paul’s songs. He also wrote part of ‘Hard Day’s Night’, along with John Lennon, when they were both in the Beatles”. “B” looked puzzled. _“Paul McCartney was in the Beatles?”_ She had heard of Paul, and of the Beatles, but didn’t know he was one of them. When I tell people about this incident, it is definitely not to belittle “B”. Rather, it’s to observe how long ago that all was, how old I’m getting and how fleeting even the greatest fame is. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/88 "2005-11-02T15:42:13Z")
You went shopping with an 11 year old girl? \>insert bluetooth thread joke\< ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/89 "2005-11-02T15:48:11Z")
There was a 20 year old at my work (she has since moved on to bigger and better jobs) that decided that I wasn’t a complete loss, being over 40 the way I am. So, we used to chat at work and she would share her “music” with me–sorry, I don’t recall any of it–it was loud and hard and rock-ish. I, in turn, brought in some CD’s of my own. She ended up liking the Beatles (not the early stuff, but I also am only fond of the early stuff from nostalgia and an awareness of what a phenomenon they were). One day I brought in some Led Zeppelin. I cannot recall the actual song at present, but she listened to it and exclaimed,“oh, that’s the song from that car commercial!” Yeah-that’s it. :rolleyes: And then I thought, who am I to roll my eyes–that IS the context of that song for her. I should be rolling my eyes at the marketer’s. By the time she left, I had turned her on to Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Talking Heads, Stones, and I don’t know who all else. I kinda wish she had been able to do the same for me–but maybe there comes a time when you don’t “get” music anymore. I do know that she liked harder rock than I do, so maybe that’s all it was. I say this so that it is not assumed that I didn’t want to learn from her–I did. I just didn’t find anything to my taste. It’s not something I spend alot of time on, anymore. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/90 "2005-11-02T15:49:53Z")
> [@F. U. Shakespeare](#): > > “B” looked puzzled. _“Paul McCartney was in the Beatles?”_ I think we should sentence her to reeducation camp. That would involve tying her to a chair, propping her eyelids open, and forcing her to watch all 5 disks of The Complete Beatles. There is hope for the future, however. Long long ago I asked my niece what music she liked. “New Kids on the Block. Duh!” I gave her my nastiest disapproval look. She looked back at me like I was not, um, groovy. The next year I asked her if she still liked New Kids. “Duh, no, they’re lame. I like Marky Mark.” Oh. Who? Some other dumbass punk moron? The after that I asked the same question. “Him? No way! I like this new guy. His name is Jimi Hendrix.” The human race may have a future after all. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/91 "2005-11-02T15:56:33Z")
I think the OP is upset because Mary Chapin Carpenter is smart, educated, literate, talented, hard-working, successful and gorgeous…and the OP isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/92 "2005-11-02T16:29:39Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > I’m 21-years-old and I certainly haven’t heard of Strawberry Fields Forever. > > As **VCO3** said, the story is bullshit 'cause when some geriatric is asking you if you’ve heard of some nonsense, you don’t respond “Is it new?” You know that you haven’t heard of it because you weren’t alive to hear of some **lame hippie band.** _Great_ band name! And adaptable to other genres (Lame Hillbilly Band, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/93 "2005-11-02T16:34:54Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > There is hope for the future, however. Long long ago I asked my niece what music she liked. “New Kids on the Block. Duh!” I gave her my nastiest disapproval look. She looked back at me like I was not, um, groovy. The next year I asked her if she still liked New Kids. “Duh, no, they’re lame. I like Marky Mark.” Oh. Who? Some other dumbass punk moron? The after that I asked the same question. “Him? No way! I like this new guy. His name is Jimi Hendrix.” This is why you video tape kids. So much fun to watch them squirm about what they use to like. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/94 "2005-11-02T17:06:13Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > There is hope for the future, however. Long long ago I asked my niece what music she liked. “New Kids on the Block. Duh!” I gave her my nastiest disapproval look. She looked back at me like I was not, um, groovy. The next year I asked her if she still liked New Kids. “Duh, no, they’re lame. I like Marky Mark.” Oh. Who? Some other dumbass punk moron? The after that I asked the same question. “Him? No way! I like this new guy. His name is Jimi Hendrix.” My teenage daughter was way, way into the Backstreet Boys when younger. Then a while back she asked if she could borrow my Pink Floyd CDs. At that point, I started to cry and promised to pay for her college. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/95 "2005-11-02T17:37:23Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Please tell me you are NOT referring to the fucking BEATLES as a “lame hippie band?” Oops. Like I said, I had no idea what Strawberry Fields Forever was. I assumed it was a band since that’s the context the quotation gave me. The Beatles are alright. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/96 "2005-11-02T17:48:17Z")
> [@VCO3](#): > > Guess what, fogies? The kids aren’t “totally lost, man.” They probably knew four times as much as you ever will by the time they were 15. The Beatles are not a forgotten cultural treasure that only you and your boomer buddies are privy to. They’re the single most known and recognized band in history. GET OVER YOURSELF. I agree…I get really annoyed by anything which tries to capitalize on the notion that “if _x_ \< age \< _y_ then music-listened-to=_z_”. So people get the idea that kids have never heard of the Beatles, or that Led Zeppelin music _must_ be played on Cadillac commercials, because their potential buyers stopped listening to new music in 1975. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/97 "2005-11-02T17:52:06Z")
> [@Spectre of Pithecanthropus](#): > > …because their potential buyers stopped listening to new music in 1975. It’s just coincidence that 1975 is the last year they made decent music. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/98 "2005-11-02T17:58:08Z")
> [@Ichbin Dubist](#): > > She’s from Jersey, actually. It’s those country singers from Jersey who went to Brown, man, always lending their names to poorly conceived advertising copy that does not read quite true. I suppose “from” was not precise enough. From an on-line biography: > [@](#): > > Carpenter was born and raised in Princeton, NJ, the daughter of a Life magazine executive; she spent two years of her childhood in Japan, where her father was launching the Asian edition of Life. During the folk explosion of the early '60s, her mother had begun to play guitar. When Mary became interested in music as a child, her mother gave her a guitar. Carpenter played music during her high-school years, but she didn’t actively pursue it as a career.\*\* In 1974, her family moved to Washington, D.C., where she became involved in the city’s folk music scene.\*\* After graduating from high school in the mid-'70s, she spent a year traveling Europe; when she was finished, she enrolled at Brown University, where she was an American civilization major. > > **Following her college graduation, she became deeply involved in the Washington-area folk scene, performing a mixture of originals, contemporary singer/songwriter material, and pop covers.** Carpenter met guitarist John Jennings during the early '80s and the pair began performing together. ---
**Author:** ![Grandiloquent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/2acd7d/32.png) [@Grandiloquent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grandiloquent)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/99 "2005-11-02T18:18:37Z")
Here’s the quote, in its entirety: “I was in a local national coffee chain a couple of years ago. It begins with an S. And I was eavesdropping on the conversation between the cashier and the barista. And one of them said to the other, “Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard that song Strawberry Fields, but I don’t know the band.” And I remember standing there and looking at them and sort of gauging, okay, I think they’re both maybe about 23, 24, how can this be? What the conversation illustrated for me was, there really is a generation gap. There really is. And until that time, I didn’t believe there was such a thing. But there is.” From [http://www.kgsr.com/iTOOLIncludes/marychapin.htm](http://www.kgsr.com/iTOOLIncludes/marychapin.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Feydeau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/df788c/32.png) [@Feydeau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feydeau)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2005, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/100 "2005-11-02T18:58:40Z")
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