# I call bullshit on Mary Chapin Carptenter's new Starbucks cup quote **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2005, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975 "2005-11-01T21:22:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/141 "2005-11-03T16:33:43Z")
> [@5que](#): > > Shut up, you young punk, and keep working to pay into my Social Security. And wear that damn baseball cap the right way. And pull up your pants. No one wants to see your drawers. Sorry, can you repeat that, your dentures aren’t pasted in well, and they are obscuring your rant, and quit waving that cane around before you put somebodies eyes out, just cuz you can’t see very well out of the ones you got, don’t mean I can’t. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/142 "2005-11-03T16:33:43Z")
> [@Epimetheus](#): > > Are you saying they teach Beatles songs in school? Cuz they sure didn’t at my school. They did at mine. Well, college at least. That last class I took was History of John Lennon. Swear to God. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/143 "2005-11-03T16:34:29Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I always thought it was a stupid line. Olives? The hell? Wouldn’t they just fall out? Moondust. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/144 "2005-11-03T16:34:53Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > They did at mine. Well, college at least. That last class I took was History of John Lennon. > > Swear to God. Wow, takes a new meaning to music appreciation, all they made us listen to was Baroque and classical music. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/145 "2005-11-03T16:35:47Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > So what’s the actual line? _On the day that you were born The angels got together And decided to create a dream come true So they sprinkled moon dust in your hair of gold And starlight in your eyes of blue._ That’s ok…we got the point. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/146 "2005-11-03T16:56:20Z")
Moon dust? Olives? Yeah, they practically rhyme. Did Karen have a serious speech impediment or something? I mean, wow, that’s some mondegreen. > [@Epimetheus](#): > > Wow, takes a new meaning to music appreciation, all they made us listen to was Baroque and classical music. To be fair, I went to a music school. We also had classes on Miles Davis and Charles Mingus, among others. They were all electives, and did little to count towards graduation credits. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/147 "2005-11-03T17:16:04Z")
I was playing poker with some high school buddies not long a go and the whole “what the hell is the matter with kids and their music these days” thing came up. It astonished me. Jeez, do people really get old that fast? One guy was complaining that young people today have never heard of Foreigner. Wow, what a loss that is :rolleyes: I heard on public radio once that most people listen to the music they like from the time they are 16 till 25 for their whole lives. People seem to block out everything else. Most people anyway. It seems to me that most folks view music as some sort of soundtrack to the wild fun they have as kids. Only folks who really love music search out stuff popular to other generations. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/148 "2005-11-03T18:56:16Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I ran across Charles Manson whilst browsing wikipedia today, and the link for Spahn Ranch went to some band. > > Umm, just thought I’d share. I have seen Spahn Ranch live, have friends who know them personally, and have listened to some of their music. It is electro-industrial, it’s like that median of the genre kind of stuff that anyone who isn’t into the genre would never know of. I’ve always felt they were kind of mediocre, but they do great remixes. When I saw them it was at a CMJ Music conference show where they tried to throw too many bands on the bill. They didn’t compare to Kevorkian Death Cycle or Rammstein who were the biggest acts on the bill. It was the first time Rammstein ever came to the US, and because of the scheduling they didn’t come on til 6AM when almost everyone was already gone, the lead singer came out in a plate maile trench coat that was on fire, and they played out a great set to 50 people. It’s one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to, I met one of my best friends there. I know Strawberry Fields Forever, and I like sitting in Strawberry Fields in Central Park. I even know that Strawberry Fields is an insane asylum in England. However, something that has annoyed the shit out of me for my entire life is hearing the 60s generation talk about how much harder they partied, how much more they changed socially…blah blah blah etc… etc… I find a lot of people from that generation to be ludicrously pretentious and out of touch. I had a good time explaining to this guy we were putting together some work on some water rights activism that kids didn’t care about Pete Seeger, and it wouldn’t draw them out. 😉 Erek ---
**Author:** ![Anastasaeon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/73ab20/32.png) [@Anastasaeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anastasaeon)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/149 "2005-11-03T19:22:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > If you’ve been to a wedding in the last 20 years, you’ve heard a Carpenters song. Sure. My own. But there was no music there. Well, not until the honeymoon. But you know how that goes, the camera comes out, the porn groove starts up, and… er. Ahem. All that romantic stuff happens. But there were no Carpenters of any breed. 😃 [sub]Actually, is the song “Close To You” the one about the birds suddenly appearing, that Homer and Marge song? I used to have a music box with a scene from Alice In Wonderland (White Rabbit was animated running away from Alice down the long hall, having dropped his gloves) that played that song. Drove me banananananas. (crap. Now I need a spelling lesson from Gwen Stefani.)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/150 "2005-11-03T19:31:11Z")
> [@Anastasaeon](#): > > Sure. My own. But there was no music there. Well, not until the honeymoon. But you know how that goes, the camera comes out, the porn groove starts up, and… er. It’s kinkier if you have olives in your hair. ---
**Author:** ![Anastasaeon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/73ab20/32.png) [@Anastasaeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anastasaeon)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/151 "2005-11-03T20:53:31Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > It’s kinkier if you have olives in your hair. I’ll try anything twice. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/152 "2005-11-03T21:39:27Z")
I wouldn’t say that I am limited to the music that was popular in the years when I was 16-25 (which would be 1978-1987). I know and enjoy lots of music from before I was born (swing comes to mind and even some honkytonk and folk, as well as classical, showtunes etc). I know and enjoy some music from today (or say the last 5 years: Alanis Morissette, Fountains of Wayne, Nora Jones, and even Mary Chapin Carpenter). I think what happens to most folks is that music, pop music becomes less of a focus as jobs, kids and the general busy-ness of life get to you. MP3s and iPods have changed the way music is listened to–and the jury is still out as to what direction(s) it will take. I would say that the music market is fairly splintered now and likely to be more so in future. What the future holds for when YOU are older and kids don’t know who Green Day or P diddy are remains to be seen. I can guess that you will also be somewhat astonished, dismayed and rueful, when that day comes. I do know that when hiphop began its rise in popularity, I stopped listening to even Top 40 stuff. 1. I couldn’t stand the play lists anymore or the relentless commercials and 2. I was more interested in gaining info about the world, instead of hearing the latest tunes, and 3. hiphop and/or rap doesn’t resonate with me. I don’t like the uneven rhymes, the plain abuse of English, the stutter-stop of rhythm…so now I am old. It’s not that '70’s rock had all this deep meaning–but at least complete sentences were constructed, themes developed etc. Shallow? you bet–hell, it’s pop music–but it was at least comprehensible. Yay! I don’t have to like crap on the radio! \ YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/153 "2005-11-03T21:58:25Z")
> [@Anastasaeon](#): > > [sub]Actually, is the song “Close To You” the one about the birds suddenly appearing, that Homer and Marge song?[/sub] Artie Ziff and Marge. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/154 "2005-11-03T22:27:45Z")
> [@Captain Lance Murdoch](#): > > It astonished me. Jeez, do people really get old that fast? One guy was complaining that young people today have never heard of Foreigner. Wow, what a loss that is :rolleyes: What are you taking about? I’m wearing a belt that gives me all the powers of Foreigner right now. You _Dirty White Boy_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/155 "2005-11-03T22:46:30Z")
I’m 23. I didn’t know what ‘Strawberry Fields Forever’ ment until I opened this thread. I didn’t know about the Beatles and Paul either. My parents didn’t listen to the Beatles when I was growing up so I am hard-pressed to think of the songs of theirs I do know. Some people have sent me some songs of theirs but I didn’t like any of the ones I’ve heard. I know more about the policital and social climate the Beatles faced and their contribution to society and music than the band itself (bigger than Jesus) and I think that’s way more important in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![blackhobyah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blackhobyah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blackhobyah)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2005, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/156 "2005-11-04T12:24:36Z")
> [@Seven](#): > > I’m pushing 40 now so I grew up in a time where the Beatles were still the rage. I remember hearing this band all the time on pop radio. I thought they sucked then, I think they suck now. Yeah, what Seven said, and I’m older. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/157 "2005-11-04T14:53:06Z")
“geriatric”? “lame hippie band”? After reading this thread I can’t help but wonder if the whipperschnappers are trying to whoosh us young, old farts. Anyway, someone mentioned on page one that if you’ve ever watched American Idol you will be amazed at the younger generations lack of musical knowledge. What’s even more amazing is these are people with some hope of a career in music and they think stuff like “Satisfation” is an original Britney Spears song. I think it’s more BS that Starbucks took MCC’s quote and twisted it, it totally changed the context to what seems to be have set off and overcaffienated, oversugared VCO3. Oh and by the way, I would try an eggnog flavored coffee and I would try a gingerbread flavored coffee but eggnog and gingerbread together? The idea makes me nauseaus. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2005, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/158 "2005-11-05T00:00:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It’s just coincidence that 1975 is the last year they made decent music. 😃 I’ve been saying 1977, but we are in the same neighborhood. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2005, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/159 "2005-11-05T09:18:12Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > Oh and by the way, I would try an eggnog flavored coffee and I would try a gingerbread flavored coffee but eggnog and gingerbread together? The idea makes me nauseaus. You misunderstand; it’s not _flavoring_, it’s a latte - espresso and milk - made with eggnog instead of milk (and gingerbread spices). ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975/160 "2005-11-07T01:21:27Z")
> [@VCO3](#): > > I’m just so sick to death of lame, lazy baby boomers like Mary Chapin Carpenter always wanting to get their stupid little credit for being “with it” and sticking it to “the kids these days.” Your average 18-year-old in 2005 has access to so much more information resources than ever before; I bet this kid not only knows “Strawberry Fields Forever,” but has downloaded 10 home demo version of it that have never been officially released. > > Guess what, fogies? The kids aren’t “totally lost, man.” They probably knew four times as much as you ever will by the time they were 15. The Beatles are not a forgotten cultural treasure that only you and your boomer buddies are privy to. They’re the single most known and recognized band in history. GET OVER YOURSELF. Since it’s apparently fair in this thread to make “factual” statements about people you’ve never met, I’m going to make one about you. You don’t hang out with teenagers. Even if you are one, you hang out with the cool kids, who pride themselves on not being dumbasses. I teach HS. On Friday I was asked if it was water coming out of the big faucets that drain into the lab sinks. The speaker was in a college-prep chemistry class, and was NOT kidding. I’m here to tell you that every single manner possible of beyond-belief stupid question will be asked by someone somewhere. I used to have to argue with adult students that they were TOO right-clicking on their mouse to get that little pop-up menu on the screen. Professional people in their 40s would actually argue for a moment that they weren’t. Her story doesn’t prove the generation gap the way Carpenter asserts, but you don’t know that this situation didn’t happen. You also seem to think that all kids have computers and the internet. Visit a school in a heavily immigrant / lower working class area, and you’ll find that probably under half do. So get off your high horse and realize some things about the world, like you don’t know everything, and everyone is not having your life experience. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-call-bullshit-on-mary-chapin-carptenters-new-starbucks-cup-quote/328975.md?page=9)