# I can't believe they made a sequel **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 28, 2001, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058 "2001-07-28T05:10:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2001, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/41 "2001-07-29T20:38:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dropzone \* > \*\*I avoid sequels, but admit to being intrigued by “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.” \*\* Not a sequel, so much as Kevin Smith’s conclusion to the characters and the shared universe all of his movies inhabit. ---
**Author:** ![Tommy\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Tommy\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tommy_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2001, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/42 "2001-07-29T20:48:29Z")
**Rocky I, II, III,** and **IV** were great. **Rocky V** sucked. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2001, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/43 "2001-07-29T22:21:21Z")
First, I too want to chime in about Toy Story 2 and Jay and Silent Bob strike back. I thought Toy Story sucked, so it was with great reluctance thay I watched TS2. Wow, it’s about 5X better than the orginal! I actually cared about the plot! And as for Silent Bob and Jay, I agree, it’s not a sequel. None of the previous movies (Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, and the supposedly-but-I-'m-sure-it’s-only-a-rumor-soon-to-be-release-after-6-years Drawing Flies) are a continuation of the same story. The only thing they have in common are occassional references to the other movies, and of course, Silent Bob and Jay are in all of them. However, I’ve heard that there are plans for Clerks 2, which would be a sequel. I think that they shouldn’t have made sequels to: **Austin Powers Ace Ventura Babe Behtoven** (sue me, I can’t spell) I have heard several times now, that there’s going to be a sequel to **Titanic**. What the hell would it be about? ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/44 "2001-07-30T03:49:28Z")
**George H. Bush** **George W. Bush** The first one sucked, and the second one sucks and bites. ---
**Author:** ![KJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b2d939/32.png) [@KJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KJ)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/45 "2001-07-30T05:22:01Z")
Are they seriously making a sequel to the Hunchback of Notre Dame? [sub]Grrr…[/sub] **Quasimodo and Esmerelda were supposed to die in the first one.** I swear, next thing you know, they’ll have Romeo & Juliet II (It needs the roman numerals, of course. Anything with roman numerals is bound to be cool.) Also, as a person whose RL name is Buddy, I am deeply saddened and outraged that I have to have the movie Air Bud (and a damn **sequel** , for the love of Jeebus) associated with my name. I shouldn’t need to explain why. I’ll second Toy Story 2. That was a good Disney sequel. And The Lion King 2 wasn’t horrible. (Cliché disney plot, but at least the songs were cool and the animation quality was the same as the original.) {reads exact words in the OP} Ooh, do videogames count? I’ll vote for Mortal Kombat 4…UMK3 was probably the best fighting game ever, but MK4 just sucked. And Tomb Raider Chronicles (most people hate Tomb Raider altogether…personally, I like the games. I loved Last Revelation, but TRC is just boring.) And they’re making a sequel/prequel to The Matrix. That’s gonna be a tough act to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Ruffian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@Ruffian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruffian)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/46 "2001-07-30T06:19:14Z")
_Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles_ I’m sorry, did I miss something? I mean, I vaguely remember an amusing movie that came out when I was in junior high about an Australian croc-wrestler, and even more dimly remember an asinine sequel that was nearly instantly forgettable. Some 14-15 years later, they revisit the deserted well. Are the Paul Hogan commercials _that_ popular? Who the hell thought THIS would be a good idea? By the way, as a rule (that isn’t immune to exceptions, like _Aliens_ and _Godfather II_), nearly **ALL** sequels suck. FWIW, _Alien 3_ really pissed me off. Not only did they undo the entire purpose of the second movie by killing off Newt and Hicks, but they did it in what has to be one of the choppiest, sloppiest, most poorly written/directed/filmed messes I’ve ever seen. Like _Highlander II, Alien 3_ just doesn’t exist. _:::twitch twitch:::_ ---
**Author:** ![TitoBenito](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2acd7d/32.png) [@TitoBenito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TitoBenito)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/47 "2001-07-30T07:47:49Z")
“Escape from the Planet of the Apes” was kind of funny definitely better then “Beneath …”. Gandhi II was so much better than the first. The first one was kind of slow and wussy but the second had T-n-A and explosions. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/48 "2001-07-30T09:40:01Z")
Doctor Detroit 2: The Wrath Of Mom. I can’t believe they DIDN’T make this one. ---
**Author:** ![TPWombat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbce88/32.png) [@TPWombat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TPWombat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/49 "2001-07-30T11:33:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TitoBenito \* > \*\* Gandhi II was so much better than the first. The first one was kind of slow and wussy but the second had T-n-A and explosions. \*\* That would be **Oliver Stone’s** Gandhi II? “The British Raj is the disease, and I am being the cure!” [Deep throaty voice over] “Gandhi’s back - and this time _he’s mad!_” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/50 "2001-07-30T11:52:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TitoBenito \* > \*\* Gandhi II was so much better than the first. The first one was kind of slow and wussy but the second had T-n-A and explosions. \*\* I assume that’s a **UHF** reference? “No more Mr. Passive Resistance!” Back on topic, and in the category of “If the first one was that good, the sequel must be better, right?”, we have: **Blues Brothers 2000** and **Staying Alive** (the execrable sequel to **Saturday Night Fever** ). Not to mention the sequels to the less-than-stellar original **Meatballs** , **Caddyshacks** and **Flintstones** movies… ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/51 "2001-07-30T12:50:55Z")
I just want to point out that I think a lot of you are missing the premise _entirely_. I don’t think that the question is about **bad** sequels - rather the question is about sequels to films that were complete stories; sequels that make you go “?” **elfkin’s** example of Titanic is a good one - the whole point of Titanic was that it finished with a big wreck, a dead Di Caprio and a found jewel. How can you write a follow-up? **Opal** offered us American Pie, which finished (IIRC) with the boys getting what they were after, thus fulfilling their pact and thoroughly ending the story; and Scary Movie, which was a spoof on ALL the recent teen-horror flicks and again blew itself out on ending. How could either of these be continued? Superman III or Rocky V however - well, since there had already been sequels and the stories were always left hanging there was always room for more sequels. The fact that the films may have been bad (though I remember as a kid liking Superman III) has nothing to do with the fundamental principle of the sequel. That’s all. No doubt **Opal** will come and tell me that I’m the one who has missed the point now, but still. Carry on. pan ---
**Author:** ![Fish42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/4da419/32.png) [@Fish42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish42)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/52 "2001-07-30T15:05:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > \*\*I just want to point out that I think a lot of you are missing the premise _entirely_. I don’t think that the question is about **bad** sequels - rather the question is about sequels to films that were complete stories; sequels that make you go “?” > \*\* In that vein, how about “US Marshalls” the sequel to “The Fugitive” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/53 "2001-07-30T15:48:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*Feh. You kids forgot the most godawful sequal of all time. The one that is actually _denied_ by the most devout fans of the original. > > Are you sitting comfortably? > > **HIGHLANDER II - THE QUICKENING** > > There ya go, I win. 🙂 \*\* What? You liked [Highlander III](http://us.imdb.com/Details?0110027) _and_ [IV](http://us.imdb.com/Details?0144964)? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/54 "2001-07-30T15:59:48Z")
Shark Attack 2, the sequal to Shark Attack. What? You’ve never heard of these movies? me neither until last week. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/55 "2001-07-30T16:05:48Z")
Allow me to add Police Academy 2-7. I have to admit that 3 was my favorite, but it wasn’t necessary. ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/56 "2001-07-30T19:44:44Z")
**Rock & Roll High School II** (or was it called **Rock & Roll HS Forever**?) **Ghostbusters II** ---
**Author:** ![Spyderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@Spyderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spyderman)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2001, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/57 "2001-07-30T21:54:21Z")
The Prophecy was a great movie. #2 sucked so bad that I still have not seen #3, but, alas I know that the day will come soon. ---
**Author:** ![Ross](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e274bd/32.png) [@Ross](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ross)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/58 "2001-07-31T00:15:41Z")
By the way, regarding the painful waste that was _Alien[sup]3[/sup]…_ (and this was previously posted by someone else, so I can take no credit)… [if you go here you’ll find an alternative Alien[sup]3[/sup] script](http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/documents/alien3wg.html) which was ditched early in the filmmaking process. It is roughly four hundred and ninety two thousand times better than the “script” which made it to the screen, although if they’d been swapped around I’d now doubtless be arguing in favour of the groovy prison planet idea, but _c’est la vie,_ as I believe the young people aren’t saying these days. ---
**Author:** ![pezwookiee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9d8465/32.png) [@pezwookiee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pezwookiee)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/59 "2001-07-31T06:43:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kylen \* > **But it’s not like there is a Rocky Horror 2 out there. Nor should there be.** Bad news for you, Kylen. There already is one sequel and another is planned. [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0083067](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0083067) That’s a link to 1981’s Rocky Horror sequel, “Shock Treatment.” Richard O’Brien (original author and Riff Raff) is also said to be writing a sequel about Dr. Frankenfurter and Janet’s BABY! (yes, you heard correctly.) ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2001, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058/60 "2001-07-31T11:02:59Z")
> [@](#): > > MayberryDan said > IT’s pretty difficult for any action movie to have a sequel. You have to stretch nearly as far as a soap opera. Only movies such as James Bond and Mission Impossible can have sequels that make sense; they are based on seperate cases for each rather than one story that is stretched to the next one. Gotta disagree with you here. Action movies are perfect for sequels because the focus isn’t the story, it’s the action. You don’t have to continue the story from the original; you can take the protaganists and plug them into a new story just by adding some new bad guys. For example, Police Story, Police Story 2, Police Story 3: Supercop, First Strike, and Supercop 2 are all good movies using essentially the same characters fighting different bad guys. The best martial arts movie ever made, Drunken Master 2, was a sequel. Now when the movie is story driven, it is more difficult to make a good sequel. Horror movies are especially problematic, as they usually end up with the villian being killed, and in a horror movie, the villian is the focus of the action. Jason gets killed at the end of _every_ Friday the 13th movie (except 1, in which his mom was the killer, and 4, in which the killer was the ambulance driver). Rush Hour: It ends with a setup for the sequel, and you’re surprised they made one? I hope I don’t spoil it for everyone when I say that the current POTA is going to have a sequel. My contributions: **Evil Dead** : at the end of the first one, everyone is dead or posessed. The sequel just ignores this (I liked it anyway) and has most of the characters alive again and visiting the same cabin again. No explanation is offered. **The Godfather, Part 3** : It was completely unnecessary. Part 2 made sense–there were lot of loose ends from the first one to be cleaned up; this isn’t true of number 3. **The Magnificent Seven** : Four dead, one retired at the end, the badit leader dead. This is a set up for a sequel? **In the Heat of the Night** : The sequel wasn’t bad, just unnecessary. **Gone With the Wind** : The Civil War is the setting. At the end, the Civil War is over. So was the story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-believe-they-made-a-sequel/74058.md?page=4)