# I can't deal with transgender anymore **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 16, 2024, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937 "2024-06-16T08:49:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/381 "2025-01-25T15:47:15Z")
I encourage people in the South to consider “th’all” for plual they. I will try “they guys.” (Semi-serious suggestion; it’s what works for “you.”) ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/382 "2025-01-25T20:26:19Z")
It’s “them guys.” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/383 "2025-01-25T21:30:10Z")
What about “youse guys?” ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/384 "2025-01-25T21:36:16Z")
Hey! Youse talking to me or _wha’?_ ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/385 "2025-01-25T23:08:13Z")
Theyse guys, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Moonrise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonrise/32/14764_2.png) [@Moonrise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonrise)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/386 "2025-01-26T10:57:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That situation comes up all the time with “you” and “we”. We’re just used to it for those pronouns. Or we could come up with a system like the one found in many Austronesian languages where there are 2 disitinct pronouns for “we” (me and you \>\< me and someone who is not you). And there’s no distinction between ‘he’ and ‘she’. It’s just one pronoun for all 3rd persons. If we rework the paradigms, let’s make them both clearer and more inclusive. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/387 "2025-03-10T03:36:24Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > What about “youse guys?” Ahem… it’s “yinz guys” I only lived in Pittsburgh until 4th grade but I still catch myself saying yinz fairly frequently here 40ish yrs later. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/388 "2025-03-10T03:50:50Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > In my experience, the above is generally true. Cis men will be upset and angry if you misgender them. I’m used to getting misgendered on the phone because I apparently sound feminine on the phone. It annoys me a little but I just roll with it now. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/389 "2025-03-10T04:17:50Z")
I’ve never liked the ambiguity of “you” and I’m not wild about it spreading to “they”, but as @Chronos says, language evolves, and you don’t always get what you want. I am hoping that they-all catches on as the plural form. (I already generally use you all, despite not being southern, because the ambiguity bugs me.) Anyway, it took me a few years, but I’ve gotten used to the singular “they”, and have stopped wondering who the other person is. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/390 "2025-03-10T16:19:28Z")
Maybe we should consider reintroducing an explicitly singular second-person pronoun in English instead of adding on yet another plural one? How does that strike thee? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/391 "2025-03-10T16:33:20Z")
The button on my jacket reads “It’s not about bathrooms…any more than it was ever about water fountains — George Takei”. To which I would add the observation that it’s not about pronouns. As @Darren_Garrison accurately points out, pronouns such as “she” or “he” are used when referring to someone in the 3rd person, not when speaking to them directly. The “pronouns” conversation is all about raising awareness of the underlying issue. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937/392 "2025-03-10T16:45:37Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m used to getting misgendered on the phone because I apparently sound feminine on the phone. It annoys me a little but I just roll with it now. I used to frequently get misgendered even before I started transitioning for that same reason. I have always had a somewhat high and feminine voice, so often when I would be on the phone or at a drive thru, they would call me miss or refer to me with female pronouns until they saw me or I corrected them. And even though I was actually a woman, because I was presenting as a man at the time, it would annoy me as well. Now however, I’m glad I have the voice I have since it fits me as a woman much more than it did previously and makes it so I pass better. It also meant I didn’t have to go though any voice training like many trans women need to do, which frequently surprises them when they ask me about my training. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deal-with-transgender-anymore/1002937.md?page=19)