# I can't deny it anymore. Winter is here. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 20, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712 "2004-12-20T00:44:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/1 "2004-12-20T00:44:37Z")
It’s -20C outside. I can feel cold drafts in my apartment. The windows are fogged up. I’m going out to get a burger. I may put on my boots instead of my running shoes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/2 "2004-12-20T01:13:53Z")
The ground outside is white - at least the non-paved areas are. It’s very windy and forecast to drop into the teens tonight. I’m wondering if it will affect our work hours tomorrow. I have to say, I’m glad we’re not living on the boat any longer. ---
**Author:** ![TheOnlySaneOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/67e7ee/32.png) [@TheOnlySaneOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheOnlySaneOne)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/3 "2004-12-20T01:40:53Z")
One. It is one degree fareinheit here. I hate winter. Screw the snow, it’s pretty and all, and I do prefer it to rain, but man I hate cold. ---
**Author:** ![EmeraldGrue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dc4da7/32.png) [@EmeraldGrue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmeraldGrue)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/4 "2004-12-20T01:41:43Z")
Yeah, it’s _definitely_ wintertime here, though there’s no snow! I think the forecast was -14 or something, with windchill–probably more like -20; to think a few days ago it was a brisk -5. And this is _Toronto_. It must be really bad out in the Wilderness. ---
**Author:** ![MrFantsyPants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MrFantsyPants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrFantsyPants)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/5 "2004-12-20T01:48:41Z")
> [@EmeraldGrue](#): > > Yeah, it’s _definitely_ wintertime here, though there’s no snow! I think the forecast was -14 or something, with windchill–probably more like -20; to think a few days ago it was a brisk -5. And this is _Toronto_. It must be really bad out in the Wilderness. Guelph is currently -21ºC, wind chill of -30. Going down to -24ºC tonight (-12ºF, for those metrically challenged folk). ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/6 "2004-12-20T01:54:47Z")
At least it was sunny. Once I put on enough clothes, it was actually pretty nice out. My range of motion and vision was reduced to almost nil, but at least I got some fresh air. It was so cold in Toronto that the bananas we bought (when they were yellow) ended up brown and frozen by the time we got them home. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/7 "2004-12-20T01:55:07Z")
It’s 10F (wind chill -3F)/-12C (wind chill -19C) here, in what appears to be the warm spot in this thread so far. Before I lived in a cold weather climate, I thought wind chill was a joke they made up to make it sound colder during NFL games. Now I know the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Lsura](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Lsura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lsura)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/8 "2004-12-20T01:59:18Z")
> [@TheOnlySaneOne](#): > > One. It is one degree fareinheit here. I hate winter. > > Screw the snow, it’s pretty and all, and I do prefer it to rain, but man I hate cold. Wow, that means it’s practically balmy here, at 7°F. Stupid wind chill right now is -7°F. My next job will be back in those areas of the country where, while it gets cold, they do the reasonable thing and stay inside when there’s snow on the ground. Or someplace with a good public transport system, one. ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/9 "2004-12-20T02:49:40Z")
In Saskatchewan the temperatures have been all over the place for the last week or so. We’ve had days that the temp was minus 20 C followed by a day that it was above zero. Last Saturday we had two hours of rain with the temperature hovering at the freezing point. Right now it’s nearly 9 p.m. and it’s still plus 6 out. Yesterday it was around minus 20. This morning they were forecasting the temperature to go down to minus 28ish tonight. Now they are forecasting minus 3. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/10 "2004-12-20T03:23:12Z")
Minus freaking _thirty_ Celsius in Toronto now with the windchill. It’s not safe to go outside, your ears and nose freeze off. So very glad I’m inside with the heater on and my feet toasty warm in their slippers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/11 "2004-12-20T03:32:11Z")
Perfect winter weather here right now; high 20s F and lightly snowing all day. About 4" accumulated of what was supposed to be ‘flurries’. ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/12 "2004-12-20T03:40:39Z")
I just got home from work. Walking. It’s five blocks, which is very short in autumn, but a bloody long way when it’s _-22 with wind chill of **-35!** _ High of -10 tomorrow. Wind chill predicted at -35 during the day. I want to spend the rest of the week hiding from the weather, under blankets, with my heating pad on. I like cold, but only down to about -10. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/13 "2004-12-20T04:15:07Z")
Great. So this is what I have to look forward to when I come home tomorrow. I’ll miss Windsor and it’s temperate climate. It’s only -24 right now. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/14 "2004-12-20T04:40:09Z")
Actually, it’s supposed to warm up tomorrow. Steadily-rising temperatire, and eventually 2 degrees on Wednesday. [The Toronto forecast](http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/pages/CAON0696.htm). ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/15 "2004-12-20T04:46:15Z")
Yes, it’s definitely winter. It was 73 today, with a wind chill of about 72. Brrrr. I almost had to wear a jacket. Suckas! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/16 "2004-12-20T04:50:27Z")
Well, technically winter is not here till the 21st. But I realize I’m just spoiling it for everyone… ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/17 "2004-12-20T06:58:21Z")
I mean, Toronto is the “banana belt” of Canada-and -30 in late December? Are you all mosochists? And yet, it gets worse…what are places like Churchill, Yellowknife, and Winnipeg like in mid-February? Somehow, global warming doesn’t seem all that bad. But seriously, who actually likes going out when outside temperatures drop below -35? I don’t like to ski when the air temp is lower than about 20 F, doing anything involving a wind chill at temps below this sounds like hell to me. ---
**Author:** ![dearissues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/919ad9/32.png) [@dearissues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dearissues)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/18 "2004-12-20T07:11:03Z")
We just got our first ‘real’ snow here tonight. It’s 2 degrees outside. My car door was frozen shut - it took my Mom and I both to open it. Then, I get out on the roads (mind you, it’s been snowing all day) and they haven’t done a damn thing to them! I hate Ohio in the winter! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/19 "2004-12-20T07:11:32Z")
I’m off to get some aloe vera cream for my ouchie sunburn. Oops, sorry, wrong thread. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712/20 "2004-12-20T08:24:21Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > I’m off to get some aloe vera cream for my ouchie sunburn. AArrrggghhhh!!! > [@ralph124c](#): > > I mean, Toronto is the “banana belt” of Canada-and -30 in late December? Are you all mosochists? And yet, it gets worse…what are places like Churchill, Yellowknife, and Winnipeg like in mid-February? Actually, Winnipeg is colder. And BC is the [Banana Belt](http://collections.ic.gc.ca/okanagan/tourism/osoyoos.htm) (also [kiwifruit](http://www.agf.gov.bc.ca/aboutind/products/plant/kiwi.htm) and [palm trees](http://palmtrees.cybersites.ca/)). 🙂 For Toronto anyways, that -30 is wind chill, not air temperature. I don’t think I have EVER felt -30C in still air here. Too much concrete, too many exhausts, too close to the lake, everything is warmed. Which is why the summers are often so unpleasant here (+35C and smog, anyone?). My mom spent her childhood near Regina, Saskatchewan, (one province to the left of Winnipeg) and often told us of walking to school when it was -40. It’s a classic north-temperate mid-continental climate, far from the moderating influence of large bodies of water, so it has both hot and cold temperature extremes. Actual coastal communities in the Arctic, such as [Iqaluit](http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/pages/CANU0014.htm) will usually have less extreme temperatures than mid-continent. The coldest places in Ontario is not on the Hudson Sea, but quite a bit further south ([Kapuskasing](http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/pages/CAON0333.htm), where the car companies do their cold-weather testing, comes to mind). Now Toronto’s climate is moderated by the Great Lakes. It seldom gets below -25C, and that only on cold winter nights. If you go to some inland town like Bancroft, which is about 150 km north of Lake Ontario and quite a bit higher in elevation, the winters will be about 10 degrees colder. Ottawa and Montréal have this same inland climate as well (their rivers aren’t big enough to do much moderating). :: checks weather page :: Dang. There goes that theory. -36 in Iqaluit, Nunavut. -35 in Kapuskasing. -24 in Toronto. No, wait. Iqaluit is a lot further north than Kapuskasing, and it’s only one degree colder. It still makes sense. [sub]I want to move to BC…[/sub] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-deny-it-anymore-winter-is-here/280712.md?page=2)