# I can't get over this way of thinking **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 22, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667 "2013-06-22T23:12:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/21 "2013-06-23T00:55:43Z")
Oh yes, and continual repetition of patterns of thought merely reinforces them into a downward spiral. The way to break these patterns is to catch yourself when you are doing it and…_change the subject_. Every time. Change the subject, think about anything else. In time, the bad thought patterns that drag you down will lose their hold. I’m not saying they’ll ever completely go away, but you can win the battle. ---
**Author:** ![slowlearner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@slowlearner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slowlearner)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/22 "2013-06-23T01:14:47Z")
Never thought of it from the child’s perspective, I never reproduced cause I can’t stand kids, didn’t know I was doing anybody a favor. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/23 "2013-06-23T01:19:30Z")
> [@lankyBlonde](#): > > . . . attend a great university, . . . Intro to philosophy? Just worked your way through some of the commentaries on Nietzsche and Sartre? Maybe a bit of Kafka? ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/24 "2013-06-23T01:21:04Z")
So you’re taking your first philosophy class, I see. You’ll get over it, eventually. Damn it, **tomndebb**! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/25 "2013-06-23T01:27:54Z")
**OP** , just remember. It’s gonna get worse. A hella lot worse. ---
**Author:** ![lankyBlonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lankyBlonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lankyBlonde)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/26 "2013-06-23T01:37:48Z")
> [@Rachellelogram](#): > > So you’re taking your first philosophy class, I see. You’ll get over it, eventually. > > Damn it, **tomndebb**! How is this relevant to the discussion? Get over what? I have nothing painful to get over, I just don’t like the fact that horrendous pain can approach me at any time and make my entire life into a suffering mess. Yet my parents still created me while fully knowing how much pain is possible. Why did you even bother responding if you don’t plan to refute ANYTHING. I’m studying chemistry at university, NOT philosophy. > [@Chimera](#): > > This may come off as a flippant answer, but I mean it sincerely. > > Get Over It. > > The Universe is not fair. Justice is a Human Concept that doesn’t exist in Nature. There is no purpose to the Universe, it merely IS. > > You can let that terrify you beyond all measure (as you clearly have), or you can enjoy the time that is given to you and do the best you can with what you have. > > I can assure you that not one NanoCog\* of thought on your part will change the fundamental nature of the Universe. But it can change how you see the world, how you enjoy life. It can change YOUR world. > > You want to minimize your chances of all that bad shit happening? PAY ATTENTION. Know who you are, where you are. Know your surroundings, pay attention to the people in your environment. Make good choices. > > Will this stop all bad things from happening? Nope. > > But you might just enjoy the good moments you live from day to day rather than wallowing in useless stress, worry and terror. > > - A unit of measurement of thought that I just now invented. Nano-Cog(nitive). Once again, the simple “get over it” card. I’ve noticed that a lot of issues in the world begin to get solved when exploited people, who are faced with heaps of injustice, finally rise up. How often, in history, do you see kings leading slave revolts? The king is perfectly happy with the cards he’s been dealt, it’s the slaves who have to live through the misery and the pain. My post is about morality. Do you have the right to bring someone into this world and make them prone to misery and pain? It’s like me signing you up for a risky experiment ,without your consent, that can go horribly wrong and lead to disfigurement and pain. How on earth do I have that right? For instance, should the Negro slaves in the pre civil American War era have just accepted their fate and gotten over it? Should they just think “gee, I’m slaving away for 20 hours a day, am treated like property, and have absolutely no rights while this white man next to me has everything desireable? Gee, everything’s fine and dandy and I love life?” Give me a break. Should we accept slavery and just tell our slaves “these are the cards you’re dealt, accept it, suck it up, and work?” Are you insane? > [@pravnik](#): > > Generally a debate refers to a discussion as to whether some position or action should be taken or not taken. What exactly is the debate here? That nobody should have children without getting their unborn child’s permission ahead of time? How is that possibly a debate? The topic for debate is: do you have a right to gamble with someone else’s well being? Do you have a right to make someone prone to pain? > [@aNewLeaf](#): > > There’s no sexual innuendo. > It’s a thread about human reproduction. > Sex is how that happens. > > No need to get all _ad hominem_ with me over your parents’ fucking. > Your mom probably liked as much as your dad did. Maybe more. That’s how it works. > That’s how the species is kept alive- people fuck without regard to the consequences. > > You’re an accident, OP. > Edit- based on thread contents, probably a virgin too. I like to believe that humans aren’t just mindless animals that merely follow their base instincts. I like to think that we have a capacity for morality and thus a responsibility to do the right thing and think rationally. If we’re such beasts, then screw the laws. Let’s have complete anarchy and run wild like animals. I’m not an accident, my parents are both lawyers who make very good money, I’m exceptionally good looking, I live in a great, peaceful country, and I attend one of the top 100 Universities in the world (according to several rankings). > [@Nightfall1](#): > > BREAKING NEWS:… The Pity Train has just derailed at the intersection of Suck It Up & Move On, and crashed into We All Have Problems, before coming to a complete stop at Get the Hell Over It. Any complaints about how we operate, can be forwarded to 1-800-waa-aaah with Dr. Sniffle Reporting LIVE from Quit your Bitchin’. Suck it up princess! Life doesn’t revolve around you. > > Whenever I feel sorry for myself I read something like this and laugh and I realise I have a DARN GOOD LIFE. 🙂 It’s easy to simply say “suck it up” but I imagine a lot of posters here are healthy, privileged individuals who have not faced excruciating amounts of physical and mental pain. I haven’t either but I think your perspective would change in an instance if the sociopath locking you up thing were to come true. Would your parents not, to some degree, be morally responsible. All I am saying is this- In life, there is colossal amounts of pain that can inflict anybody regardless of how optimistic or loving their parents are. It IS possible. I just don’t understand how people are okay with blindly taking that risk. > [@astro](#): > > If OP is sincere you do need therapy. Your take on relative balance of rights and obligations re this issue is cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Seriously it’s gibbering nonsense. That you can’t see it’s insane points to some sort of serious mental dysfunction. > > If OP is insincere ham handed abortion thread we’re seen better. Much better. Once again, please elaborate and explain. > [@monstro](#): > > “Evil” is a bizarre word to use here. Perhaps “thoughtless” is what you’re going for? If someone had kids knowing that they were going to be tortured for the rest of their lives, then that person would certainly be evil. But if they had them thinking of only the best outcomes, then their only crime is over-optimism. I think most people are more like the latter than the former. > > For most people, life is just a series of ups and downs. The ups generally outweigh the downs…at least the mind perceives it this way. When a person has kids, they are acting on the faithful belief that their kids’ lives will be similar to theirs–more ups than downs. They are indeed gambling. But it’s no different than the gambling we do in all other arenas of life. If we never took any risks, we wouldn’t be able to do anything. > > I think suicide is much more relevant to the topic than abortion is. IMHO, suicide can be a reasonable response to life’s gambles, since none of us asked to play this wretched game in the first place. I have absolutely no problems with gambling YOUR own personal well being, property or money. If you want to bet YOUR house or YOUR life on whatever, no matter how bad the odds are, you should be 100% allowed to without it tainting your moral compass. What I have a problem with is gambling with somebody else’s well being, surely you see the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/27 "2013-06-23T01:39:51Z")
It’s genetic. I come from a long line of parents. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/28 "2013-06-23T01:49:09Z")
> [@lankyBlonde](#): > > For instance, should the Negro slaves in the pre civil American War era have just accepted their fate and gotten over it? No, they have legitimate complaints and grievances. They weren’t whining about what might go wrong in their lives- they had real problems to worry about. You’re just whining (or trying to talk about abortion in some roundabout way). If you want to be angry at your parents, that’s your choice. If you care about your own happiness, or the happiness of others, it would be wiser to focus on the good things in your life, and try to take action to make yourself (and the world) happier and better. I’m glad my parents had me- my life has been good, largely because of them, and I have a lot to look forward to. ---
**Author:** ![lankyBlonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lankyBlonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lankyBlonde)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/29 "2013-06-23T01:55:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, they have legitimate complaints and grievances. They weren’t whining about what might go wrong in their lives- they had real problems to worry about. You’re just whining (or trying to talk about abortion in some roundabout way). > > If you want to be angry at your parents, that’s your choice. If you care about your own happiness, or the happiness of others, it would be wiser to focus on the good things in your life, and try to take action to make yourself (and the world) happier and better. > > I’m glad my parents had me- my life has been good, largely because of them, and I have a lot to look forward to. What is a “real legitimate complaint.” Who defines what is painful and worth committing suicide over? Isn’t all that completely subjective and opinionated? We’re all entirely different people with different views, beliefs, priorities, and so forth. Hell, there are gorgeous, famous, rich models who end up killing themselves. Surely they underwent a LOT of mental anguish and pain to end up in that state. What if your life had been bad and you hated existence? I mean, it’s possible right? I’m sure you can imagine a scenario where you’d rather die than be alive. What then? Wouldn’t your parents be responsible and blameworthy? If not, why not? That’s all I’m asking. Example: Person is born. Person has a disease that causes excruciating amounts of pain, both physical and mental. Person wishes he had never been born. Person realizes his parents dragged him into this and forced existence upon him. What now? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/30 "2013-06-23T01:57:17Z")
After a miserably long recovery from surgery for a birth defect, I pulled this same stunt on my parents. I was 17, taking those college courses which lead many of us to pontificate and and wallow, and my dad said “Oh, shut up. I’m not listening to the same cop-out that every kid goes through when they take their first philosophy or psychology course. Get over yourself.” He was right. We all pull this stunt. Including your parents. Everyone wants to think he or she is so complicated, so incredibly unique that no one else could possibly understand them. Problem is, that ain’t true. There are hundreds; thousands… maybe even millions of people who have experienced the very same moment of angst and introspection. That’s why almost no one has any sympathy to share. You aren’t alone, and there are far too many people on this rock who are geniunely suffering to indulge you. Get over yourself. It’s the best lesson you’ll learn before you turn 30. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/31 "2013-06-23T01:57:35Z")
> [@lankyBlonde](#): > > I’ve noticed that a lot of issues in the world begin to get solved when exploited people, who are faced with heaps of injustice, finally rise up. How often, in history, do you see kings leading slave revolts? The king is perfectly happy with the cards he’s been dealt, it’s the slaves who have to live through the misery and the pain. You are none of these things. Get over it. > [@](#): > > My post is about morality. Do you have the right to bring someone into this world and make them prone to misery and pain? It’s like me signing you up for a risky experiment ,without your consent, that can go horribly wrong and lead to disfigurement and pain. How on earth do I have that right? Non-existence or Existence. Hmmm. Without being born, a person doesn’t exist and experiences nothing. Existing, you may experience all manner of things. Honestly, you sound like this guy I used to know, who was paralyzed with fear over the most basic choices in life because _he might fail_. Every time he chose not to do anything at all because it was comfortable, he failed. Choosing to fail was more comfortable for him that risking failure. Or rather, I should turn that around. Choosing to fail was more comfortable for him than risking success. And that’s what you’re sounding like. You’re too comfortable whining and crying over shit that doesn’t and never will touch you, and shit that most likely never will happen, to risk that you might fucking enjoy life. You have chosen to live in fear and terror of ordinary life. Where is the moral “debate”? You’ve already made it abundantly clear that you’re not debating from a position that you may change if evidence is presented that contradicts your choice. The moral choice here is to surrender to despair or live a real life. You’ve chosen Despair and you’re only looking for people to reinforce it. Good Luck With That. ---
**Author:** ![huck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@huck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/huck)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/32 "2013-06-23T02:00:26Z")
_It’s easy to simply say “suck it up” but I imagine a lot of posters here are healthy, privileged individuals who have not faced excruciating amounts of physical and mental pain. I haven’t either but I think your perspective would change in an instance if the sociopath locking you up thing were to come true. Would your parents not, to some degree, be morally responsible._ Not unless the parents were the sociopaths or facilitated the torture in some way. Is the painter of a picture responsible for the subsequent theft of the picture? After all, she gambled that it would not be stolen. If a plastic surgeon builds a normal-looking face for a deformed child, is the surgeon morally culpable if the face is destroyed in a car accident? ---
**Author:** ![lankyBlonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lankyBlonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lankyBlonde)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/33 "2013-06-23T02:01:26Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > After a miserably long recovery from surgery for a birth defect, I pulled this same stunt on my parents. I was 17, taking those college courses which lead many of us to pontificate and and wallow, and my dad said “Oh, shut up. I’m not listening to the same cop-out that every kid goes through when they take their first philosophy or psychology course. Get over yourself.” > > He was right. We all pull this stunt. Including your parents. Everyone wants to think he or she is so complicated, so incredibly unique that no one else could possibly understand them. Problem is, that ain’t true. There are hundreds; thousands… maybe even millions of people who have experienced the very same moment of angst and introspection. That’s why almost no one has any sympathy to share. You aren’t alone, and there are far too many people on this rock who are geniunely suffering to indulge you. Get over yourself. It’s the best lesson you’ll learn before you turn 30. Man, why is everyone missing the point here. I’m not pulling a stunt, I’m not EVEN REMOTELY DEPRESSED. My life is GOOD in every single way, from my looks to my health to my parents salary to the country I live in to the school I attend. I want to make it CLEAR that I ENJOY LIFE. At what point did I say I was complicated? Why do you not refute my statement? Even if there are a million people that experience pain far worse than I do, how is that relevant in any way? It’s like a father saying it’s alright to beat his child because there are billions of children who are living in far worse conditions. What??? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/34 "2013-06-23T02:01:52Z")
> [@](#): > > 'Cause suicide is painless > it brings on many changes > and I can take or leave it if I please. > …and you can do the same thing if you please. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/35 "2013-06-23T02:02:23Z")
Let’s take a vote: > [@Nightfall1](#): > > … Get the Hell Over It. > [@Phnord\_Prephect](#): > > I got over it. > [@Chimera](#): > > Get Over It. > [@Rachellelogram](#): > > You’ll get over it… > [@Troppus](#): > > “Get over yourself” > > Get over yourself. > [@Chimera](#): > > Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![lankyBlonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dc4da7/32.png) [@lankyBlonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lankyBlonde)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/36 "2013-06-23T02:04:05Z")
> [@huck](#): > > _It’s easy to simply say “suck it up” but I imagine a lot of posters here are healthy, privileged individuals who have not faced excruciating amounts of physical and mental pain. I haven’t either but I think your perspective would change in an instance if the sociopath locking you up thing were to come true. Would your parents not, to some degree, be morally responsible._ > > Not unless the parents were the sociopaths or facilitated the torture in some way. > > Is the painter of a picture responsible for the subsequent theft of the picture? After all, she gambled that it would not be stolen. If a plastic surgeon builds a normal-looking face for a deformed child, is the surgeon morally culpable if the face is destroyed in a car accident? Better analogy: I create a baby. I throw the baby down a chute. The baby might land in a pot full of love and joy and be all happy or he might land in an aquarium full of sharks. I realize both of these are possible (please consider this fact) and I knowingly throw him down the rabbit hole. He ends up in the aquarium full of sharks and undergoes a ton of pain. Can’t he point at me and say “wtf Alex, why’d you do that? Why’d you gamble with my well being”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/37 "2013-06-23T02:04:29Z")
> [@lankyBlonde](#): > > Wouldn’t your parents be responsible and blameworthy? If not, why not? That’s all I’m asking. Not in most cases. If the parents abused their child, then they bear part of the blame. If the parents were loving and made good efforts to provide a good home to their child, then no. If someone is violated in any way (attacked, raped, abused, tortured, murdered, etc.), then the blame lies solely with the violator. ---
**Author:** ![Among\_Liberals](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Among\_Liberals](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Among_Liberals)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/38 "2013-06-23T02:04:36Z")
> [@lankyBlonde](#): > > Man, why is everyone missing the point here. I’m not pulling a stunt, I’m not EVEN REMOTELY DEPRESSED. My life is GOOD in every single way, from my looks to my health to my parents salary to the country I live in to the school I attend. I want to make it CLEAR that I ENJOY LIFE. > > At what point did I say I was complicated? > > Why do you not refute my statement? Even if there are a million people that experience pain far worse than I do, how is that relevant in any way? It’s like a father saying it’s alright to beat his child because there are billions of children who are living in far worse conditions. What??? How is it that billions of people _are_ living in far worse conditions and are OK with that? Do they think less rationally than you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/39 "2013-06-23T02:06:03Z")
> [@lankyBlonde](#): > > Better analogy: > > I create a baby. I throw the baby down a chute. The baby might land in a pot full of love and joy and be all happy or he might land in an aquarium full of sharks. I realize both of these are possible (please consider this fact) and I knowingly throw him down the rabbit hole. He ends up in the aquarium full of sharks and undergoes a ton of pain. Can’t he point at me and say “wtf Alex, why’d you do that? Why’d you gamble with my well being”? Because of the statistics and probabilities. Throwing a child down a chute has a high probability of a bad outcome. Simply having a child does not, and having a child by a loving family with a good home has a higher chance of a happy outcome than a bad one. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667/40 "2013-06-23T02:06:19Z")
> [@lankyBlonde](#): > > Man, why is everyone missing the point here. I’m not pulling a stunt, I’m not EVEN REMOTELY DEPRESSED. My life is GOOD in every single way, from my looks to my health to my parents salary to the country I live in to the school I attend. I want to make it CLEAR that I ENJOY LIFE. > > At what point did I say I was complicated? > > Why do you not refute my statement? Even if there are a million people that experience pain far worse than I do, how is that relevant in any way? It’s like a father saying it’s alright to beat his child because there are billions of children who are living in far worse conditions. What??? Because this: > [@lankyBlonde](#): > > My life is good right now, don’t get me wrong- I have a lot of friends, live in a nice house, have plenty of food on my plate, attend a great university, and so forth And this: > [@lankyBlonde](#): > > My life is GOOD in every single way, from my looks to my health to my parents salary to the country I live in to the school I attend. I want to make it CLEAR that I ENJOY LIFE. And this: [https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/884593\_3059821550639\_1852034044\_o.jpg](https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/884593_3059821550639_1852034044_o.jpg) (Boston victim/gory) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-get-over-this-way-of-thinking/661667.md?page=3)