I can't understand getting really sad about a celebrity's death

I don’t usually get worked up over a celebrity’s death longer than it takes me to say, “Oh, that’s too bad,” but when I do it’s really, selfishly, all about me.

My sadness is usually related to remembering how the celebrity affected me in my youth. It’s another sign of impending old age and death for me, too. When Paul McCartney dies, or when Ringo dies, my grief, what there will be of it, will be as much if not more for that teen-age girl full of dreams whose life didn’t quite turn out the way she thought it would, than it will be for the dead musician.

It’s grief over the past, in general, which comes into focus when an artist we considered a contemporary dies.

It’s very different to look at, say, Buster Keaton movies as a historical display. The man died before I was born, and he made most of his movies before my grandparents were born. Now I like Buster Keaton a lot. And I have watched a lot of his movies. But every time, I was quite aware that this man was dead, his movies were old, and that they weren’t making any more of them. It was entirely in the past.

But that is quite different from Prince, who was actively making music in my life. I heard his albums when they came out. Prince was the present. He was on live TV. My friends and I watched his videos and movies. It was a cultural zeitgeist that I was a part of in a small way. I participated in “Prince” in a way I never did in “Buster Keaton”. While Buster was a historical study, Prince was an exciting current event.

So really it’s just acknowledging that time relentlessly marches on. Prince is history, like Buster Keaton now. The part of my life that overlapped with Prince is over. There will be no more albums, no more Superbowls, no more concerts, no more politicians’ wives demanding action against “Darling Nikki”, no more timely jokes on SNL about unpronounceable symbols. Anything written or said about Prince from now on will be history, and not news. And that’s got to hit anyone who’s taken part in pop culture over the last 40 years pretty hard. It won’t be long before kids will be asking us about Prince the way we might have asked our parents or grandparents about Howdy Doody or Little Orphan Annie.

I’m still sad about Bowie because his works affected my life. Carrie Fisher means nothing to me, as most celebrity deaths mean nothing to me. I’ve never seen any Star Wars movies. I’ve seen a few movies where she had minor parts but I never considered her a talent.

With me, musicians - especially ones I admire for their lyrical ability - hit hardest, because many times it’s as though they are expressing something that I’m feeling, but I lack the ability to articulate.

Ben Folds, eulogizing Elliot Smith, once sang the line “the songs you wrote got me through a lot…just want to tell you that.”

Which is what music does for me. In a song called “Mess,” Ben Folds, talking to an ex-lover about his new one, laments, “there are rooms in this house that I don’t open anymore…dusty books of pictures on the floor/that she will never see…she’ll never see this part of me. I want to be for her what I could never be for you.

To me, that’s heartbreaking. But haven’t we all felt like that at some point?

When Adam Duritz of Counting Crows, singing about lack of love (and reciprocating love), wrote “so much rejection in every connection I make…I want to be the last thing that you hear when you’re falling asleep,” it’s like he took a scouring pad and scrubbed over events that have left me scarred, reopening old wounds in a way that part of me thinks “thank god! Someone gets what I mean.”

But that’s just me.

Even with artists that will no longer produce good work (those dying “early”) their previous work doesn’t disappear.

I know that different people cope differently, but, it’s not for me.
When Gustavo Cerati, singer of Soda Stereo (IMO the best Spanish-language rock band ever), I have all their LP, CD, cassettes. Learnt to play bass to do their songs, even my teenage children know their songs, danced to them in my wedding reception…the works.
He fell into a coma in 2010 and died in 2014 never having recovered from it. Nothing more than “man, that sucks”.

Their previous work doesn’t disappear, but their future work does. Like Heath Ledger could have had decades more of work that will now never exist. That’s part of what makes me sad. But also like others said, it’s a reminder of time passing, and how part of our life has changed.

I’m actually glad the OP has started this thread because it articulates something I agree with but can’t really talk about anywhere else.

Like Aji, I can be sad someone I don’t personally know has died but not be upset by it, and that’s particuarly true of celebrities. Of course, I can’t go and say that on social media or whatever - partly because I accept a lot of people are genuinely upset by a celebrity’s death and I’d be a huge dick if I went around saying “You shouldn’t care about that! Stop caring about that right now!” in “In Memoriam” discussions of that person’s work and how it affected their fans; but also because I don’t want to deal with the inevitable hyperbolic pile-on which would swiftly accompany my expressions on the subject.

I’m not completely indiffertent to celebrity deaths, but I can’t really think of one who has ever made me feel much more than “Oh dear. That’s sad. I hope their family and friends are coping alright.”

Shock is part of it (Jim Henson really hit me), but not all.
Arthur C Clarke’s death was not a surprise – that was partially the end of an era (SF pioneers) (though you could have pushed that until Bradbury’s death)

Brian

I think this says it best, even though I’m a guy. :slight_smile: I remember when the Beatles first came on the scene. I remember the Fab Four days, the Sgt. Pepper period and when the band was breaking apart. I was shocked when John was killed. I shed a few tears when George died. When Paul and Ringo eventually go, I’ll be just as sad because they represented my youth, which at first gently trailed behind me, but which is now accelerating away faster and faster.

I’m sitting here in tears, upon hearing of the loss of Debbie Reynolds. She was one of my favorite celebrities, and I can’t imagine not feeling this way.

Celebrities that are seminal parts of my childhood will affect me more than others. Jim Henson, Robin Williams, Michael Jackson etc.

Celebrities that are unusually young and are still contributing when they die, so much potential lost, also affect me. Anton Yelchin, Heath Ledger, Brittany Murphy, Kirsty MacColl, River Phoenix etc

However, elderly people dying long after they stopped contributing don’t make me sad. I look at them more pragmatically as just the inevitability of life’s path.

What?

::googling::

Godammit.

This one for me, too. I remember the moment I first saw him on the big screen when Die Hard first came out. He was so good in that movie, I was hooked. I followed his career from that point on. When I got to meet him in 2012 when he was doing a Broadway play, it was the highlight of my trip to NYC.

When you’ve been a fan of someone for nearly 30 years and they are suddenly gone. Never going to make you laugh or smile or cry in anything new ever again, it hurts.

Reported. (robbciav).

Guess (s)he don’t like the cornbread, either.

Most of the time, when one mourns a celebrity, they mourn what they did FOR THEM: entertain them, provoke thought, turn them on, provide a role model…

Just depends on the person and the celebrity. Carrie Fisher didn’t lead the healthiest lifestyle and I had three days to get used to the idea.

on a scale of Chris Farley to Phil Hartman levels of shock she would rank in the middle for me.

Perhaps music isn’t as important to you it is to some people. For me, music is the single most important thing that isn’t another actual living being. Many songs are locked into my brain the way that smells are locked in for other people: a single riff, a few notes from a melody, a particular rhythm, sometimes even a single sound can trigger memories of things that would otherwise remain hidden, buried under decades of experiences.

Some of the people who created that music I got personally invested in, because their art brought me so much pleasure; for some it became a self-reinforcing loop of positive associations. And for a very small handful, as I learned more about them, the way they look at the world became influential in how I look at the world, how I experience life. I not only want to create as they do, to some degree I want to experience things as they do so that perhaps I can create as they do. I don’t want to be them, but I want to be like them, because I admire them and their work. When that influence is removed from the world in what seems to be an untimely manner, the absence of their presence is nearly as profound as losing someone I actually know.

When D. Boon was killed at 27 years old back in 1985, I was crushed. His outlook on life, his steadfast friendship with Mike Watt, his inventiveness, his intensity, his zeal, his singular perspective on the world… all gone in an instant, never to be heard again except as something that had already been.

Frank Zappa was the reason I began playing guitar. I admired his music and as I got to know more about him, I found a lot to admire in his views on the world, his sense of responsibility, his defense of the right of people to express themselves and his joy in creating and performing. When he passed away in 1993 at just 52 years old, I was also crushed. Again, his singular perspective was gone from the world, except as something that had already happened; I would never again experience the joy of hearing something that he had just created and was proud enough of to share with the world.

I didn’t curl up into a ball and withdraw for days on end in either case, mind you, but their deaths and many others have affected my life because, as John Donne wrote, I am involved in mankind and so every man’s death diminishes me (some more than others, naturally).

I’ve come to accept that this is how things are: someday, I too will die and if I’ve lived a good life, been part of other’s people’s lives, either in person or thru my art and been a positive influence and experience, my death will affect them too. They may feel the same selfish regret that I am gone that I have felt so many times when others have passed away; hopefully they will also feel some joy that I was there at all, tho.

Also, sometimes the fictional death of a fictional character, or the expression of loss or regret can make me sad. To this day I have a difficult time listening to Seasons In The Sun or Cat’s In The Cradle, for instance; they just hit their mark too well for me. I recently brought up in another thread that there is a passage in Philip Pullman’s A Subtle Knife that tears me up just thinking about it.

I don’t know if my explanation of why I feel really sad about the death of someone I don’t know personally is all that eloquent, but there it is.

Of what sort of jokes was Robin Williams the butt?

Washed up, former(?) drug addict, formulaic humor.

Of course Rivers needs no explanation?