# I can't wait until you're the next victim of the financial meltdown! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 15, 2008, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293 "2008-12-15T20:57:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/21 "2008-12-16T01:00:43Z")
I think you mean going down. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/22 "2008-12-16T01:02:39Z")
> [@DudleyGarrett](#): > > **Symantec** > > Take perfectly good software and great innovation and flush it right down the toilet by buying it, bloating it up, and making it unusable. Iā€™ve been wanting this company to crash for a long, long time. Oh your god! Yes I agree! I thought it was a coincidence, but recently 3 different Vista laptops and one desktop with the latest Norton anti virus/firewall had the property of **not allowing the computer to connect or see other computers on the network of the owner**. It may be that there is a setting to allow it, but preventing a now basic computer feature by default is a rotten thing to do, however just the bloat alone makes me to almost reflexively advise new users/customers to remove it completely and get a different firewall and AVG. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/23 "2008-12-16T01:20:40Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > Just because I want to see a failed business, you know, out of businessā€¦ does not mean that myself or others who feel the same take pleasure in folks losing their jobs. So cut the shit with that accusation already. Sustaining jobs for the sake of jobs sounds oh so nice and sweet on the surface, but isnā€™t realistic. Well what the fuck do you think happens when a company fails? People lose their jobs. Iā€™m not against a bad company going under. Iā€™m against the apparent glee with which this thread is full. Sustaining jobs for the sake of sustaining jobs is part of the predicament the auto industry finds itself in. I donā€™t condone that. If they had been allowed to trim the fat years ago, maybe they would be in a better position now. I just find the tone of this thread revolting. There are people behind those corporate facades. More people not working means more people not buying and this economy grinding to a standstill. Yeah, Iā€™m looking forward to that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/24 "2008-12-16T01:33:25Z")
People come up with humor in the face of frustration and grief to be able to deal, nothing new here. People are frustrated at the way the givernment is handling things. As far as: > [@Hockey Monkey](#): > > Well what the fuck do you think happens when a company fails? People lose their jobs. Of course that what happens. I really donā€™t see why you need to point this out. Itā€™s always the response from those **EvilCaptor** types. Yes it sucks, but thatā€™s the effect of losing a business or product. Itā€™s like saying, ā€œdonā€™t light the gas, it will go up in flames!ā€ Yeah, we know. I donā€™t want people to lose their jobs, but if a job has to be lostā€¦ I donā€™t see why it needs to be sustained by tax dollars for it to continue, just so someone has a job. Again, that doesnā€™t mean I want said person to be out of a job, just that when there is no work to be done, you move on. Again sorry if thatā€™s hurtful, but it is truthful. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/25 "2008-12-16T01:38:32Z")
The _Chicago Reader_. ---
**Author:** ![MadPansy64](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@MadPansy64](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadPansy64)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/26 "2008-12-16T01:43:04Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Well what the fuck do you think happens when a company fails? People lose their jobs. Iā€™m not against a bad company going under. Iā€™m against the apparent glee with which this thread is full. Sustaining jobs for the sake of sustaining jobs is part of the predicament the auto industry finds itself in. I donā€™t condone that. If they had been allowed to trim the fat years ago, maybe they would be in a better position now. I just find the tone of this thread revolting. There are people behind those corporate facades. More people not working means more people not buying and this economy grinding to a standstill. Yeah, Iā€™m looking forward to that. :rolleyes: I have to agree with \*\*Hockey Monkey \*\*on this one ā€“ and Iā€™m a _bill collector_. Hard times are my bread & butter, but I canā€™t bring myself to be happy about the shitloads of new business hitting my desk. Cā€™mon, people. Think about it for a minute. Youā€™re gleefully anticipating the success of **my** business?:rolleyes: Letā€™s remember this next time one of you starts bitching about the Eviiiiiillllll mean horrible collector dialing your phone number, shall we? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/27 "2008-12-16T02:34:19Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > Just because I want to see a failed business, you know, out of businessā€¦ does not mean that myself or others who feel the same take pleasure in folks losing their jobs. So cut the shit with that accusation already. Sustaining jobs for the sake of jobs sounds oh so nice and sweet on the surface, but isnā€™t realistic. ā€œI would love to watch some snotty Mercedes driver plough through a barricade off the edge of a huge cliff, but I hope he doesnā€™t die or anything when the car explodes.ā€ **Hockey Monkey** , props to you. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/28 "2008-12-16T02:35:42Z")
Not even close. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/29 "2008-12-16T02:38:46Z")
Itā€™s one thing to say, ā€œitā€™s healthy for the economy when poorly run businesses failā€ā€¦ but you canā€™t go around celebrating it without acknowledging the fact that people are going to be unemployed afterwards, [mostly] through no fault of their own. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/30 "2008-12-16T02:56:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > ā€¦without acknowledging the fact that people are going to be unemployed afterwards, [mostly] through no fault of their own. We can acknowledge what happens, but it shouldnā€™t be the focal point of the issue to the extent to where we must save a job because it is a job, especially _ **when there is no job to actually do** _. That part is important to emphasize, as it tends to get lost in debates. I understand that it is no fault of the employee when there is no more work to be done. But we donā€™t keep an employee on just so he can have a job. Nobody is owed this. Again, it is sad when it happens, but it is also a reality that all of us that are employed must face when there is no longer any work to be done. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/31 "2008-12-16T03:01:47Z")
Can one celebrate the demise and acknowledge the loss of jobs WITHOUT celebrating the loss of the jobs? Strikes me as a simple compartmentalization task. I donā€™t know if Iā€™m capable of it myself, but Iā€™m not prepared to say itā€™s impossible. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/32 "2008-12-16T03:08:10Z")
Sorry, I missed the memo. Why am I supposed to hope Office Max goes down the tubes, exactly? For the life of me, I canā€™t see where they are better, worse or even significantly different from Office Depot or Staples. I donā€™t actively wish for any particular businesses to fail, I just donā€™t deal with the ones I donā€™t care for. To keep the OP happy, though, around next June when the unemployment rate is (probably) well above ten percent, Iā€™ll remember to let out a whoop for all the businesses that failed over the previous six months, and how good it is the weā€™re rid of them. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/33 "2008-12-16T03:12:44Z")
Sorry, I have too many students losing the dead-end retail jobs that support their educations to be able to play this game. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/34 "2008-12-16T03:15:29Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Can one celebrate the demise and acknowledge the loss of jobs WITHOUT celebrating the loss of the jobs? > > Strikes me as a simple compartmentalization task. I donā€™t know if Iā€™m capable of it myself, but Iā€™m not prepared to say itā€™s impossible. I think Iā€™ve been doing just that. I would want to celebrate that tax payers will no longer subsidise a failing company, but also sad about the job losses as a result. Itā€™s actually very easy to do. But too many people in debates want jobs to continue, even in the face of evidence that a job is no longer sustainable. The reality sucks, but it is the reality. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/35 "2008-12-16T03:16:17Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > We can acknowledge what happens, but it shouldnā€™t be the focal point of the issue to the extent to where we must save a job because it is a job, especially _ **when there is no job to actually do** _. That part is important to emphasize, as it tends to get lost in debates. I understand that it is no fault of the employee when there is no more work to be done. But we donā€™t keep an employee on just so he can have a job. Nobody is owed this. Again, it is sad when it happens, but it is also a reality that all of us that are employed must face when there is no longer any work to be done. I agree with you here. Your first post gave me the same impression the OP did - that you want that shitty business and its smug owner gone, and you donā€™t give a fuck about its employees. If thatā€™s not how you feel, I have no problem with you. [QUOTE=El\_Kabong] Sorry, I missed the memo. Why am I supposed to hope Office Max goes down the tubes, exactly? For the life of me, I canā€™t see where they are better, worse or even significantly different from Office Depot or Staples. [/QUOTE] No Easy Button. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/36 "2008-12-16T03:16:58Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > We can acknowledge what happens, but it shouldnā€™t be the focal point of the issue to the extent to where we must save a job because it is a job, especially _ **when there is no job to actually do** _. That part is important to emphasize, as it tends to get lost in debates. I understand that it is no fault of the employee when there is no more work to be done. But we donā€™t keep an employee on just so he can have a job. Nobody is owed this. Again, it is sad when it happens, but it is also a reality that all of us that are employed must face when there is no longer any work to be done. You seem to be missing an important point here. It hasnā€™t been said in this thread that jobs are owed to people or that we must keep businesses open just for the sake of keeping them open. I was incensed when I read the thread title - ā€œI canā€™t wait until youā€™re the next victim of the financial meltdownā€. And when I clicked on it and read the thread, Jeez, to actually witness seemingly otherwise intelligent people wishing for this company or that company to fail is sickening. Itā€™s almost like hoping someoneā€™s house burns down. You need to put a personal face on this crisis now, before that face becomes your own. And donā€™t expect any sympathy if it does. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/37 "2008-12-16T03:19:27Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > You need to put a personal face on this crisis now, before that face becomes your own. **ParentalAdvisory** for Fed Chairman? ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/38 "2008-12-16T03:22:58Z")
I wouldnā€™t expect sympathy, thatā€™s how we differ I suppose. But to your point of no one mentioning how some one is owed job, \*\*Hockey Monkey \*\*said; ā€œWell what the fuck do you think happens when a company fails? **People lose their jobs**.ā€ What was the point of that statement? When I read that, I intrepreted his statement as, ā€œJobs must exist, regardless of howā€. I donā€™t agree with that sentiment. Even if he meant something else, that is the general feeling of those who want to keep jobs regardless of the need for jobs. I cannot get on board with that. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/39 "2008-12-16T03:24:00Z")
Would that the RIAA be listed among those numbers. Much like SCO, the industry has left them behind. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293/40 "2008-12-16T03:25:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **ParentalAdvisory** for Fed Chairman? Uh, the current fed chairmen and myself donā€™t share each other views on this topic.:rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-cant-wait-until-youre-the-next-victim-of-the-financial-meltdown/477293.md?page=3)