# I didn't know THEY were gay... **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 19, 2000, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850 "2000-11-19T15:49:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/21 "2000-11-20T09:55:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by woodstockbirdybird \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Duke \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by pcubed \* > > > \*\*Me, it was probably Bob Mould of Husker Du. \*\* > > > > Slight hijack here, but that’s been known for some time now. I’m not sure when it became public knowledge, but I think it may have been by the release of his second solo album, which would have been 1991(?). > > > > At least by 1992 there was some speculation over whether the real reason Hüsker Dü broke up was due to a failed relationship between Mould and Grant Hart. Neither of them are talking (and if they don’t want to say anything about it, the speculation should end there). \*\* > > Actually, Bob pretty much came out in a Spin magazine article around '94, the time that Sugar’s “FU:EL” was released. They even asked him about Husker Du breaking up because of a relationship between him and Grant, to which Bob replied, laughing, “Grant wishes!” I saw Bob play out here in San Francisco in February, and between songs he was commenting on how he liked the song “Beautiful Stranger”, to which he added, “Is Madonna getting better or am I just getting more gay?” I taped the show, and that line cracks me up every time I hear it. If you look back at his Husker Du (and solo and with Sugar) relationship songs, though, the gender of the person addressed is always ambiguous, unlike Grant’s songs, which are usually referencing a woman (exception: on Bob’s solo “Next Time That You Leave”, he sings:“You are just a bastard…” Sorry to go on and on, but I’m a HUGE Husker/Bob fan/geek, and it’s hard to find anybody who’s heard of him, much less heard his music. I’ll shut up now. \*\* I have been an insane Bob Mould fan for years and years (sadly, I did not discover the band until well after its dissolution). I remember reading an interview with Mould in a smaller fanzine-kind of magazine in which, when asked about the possible relationship with Grant, he said he had never even heard of such rumors. Once upon a time, I saw a Minneapolis band called Walt Mink play, and afterward I chatted at the bar with that band’s guitarist, John Kimbrough. He told me that, according to rumor, Mould tried to hang himself as a freshman at MacAlester College. True? Dunno. Kimbrough also told me that, just after the band’s breakup, Greg Norton got a job at a pizza joint, and he and his friends would go to that pizza joint and sit at Norton’s tables so they could say that the bass player from Husker Du served them pizza. Hah hah hah. So, tell me more about these concert tapes that you have made. Is the sound quality good? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/22 "2000-11-20T10:44:41Z")
I was suprised to learn that Rob Halford of Judas Preist was gay. You know, I’m really not very observant. ---
**Author:** ![Booker57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Booker57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Booker57)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/23 "2000-11-20T11:47:12Z")
As I am reading this thread I’ve come to the conclusion that not only did I not know that so and so was gay. I don’t realy care. I was given one life, dont have time to live an others.MTS ---
**Author:** ![Why\_A\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Why\_A\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Why_A_Duck)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/24 "2000-11-20T13:02:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*… > > BTW, I think someone said Janet Reno is gay? I didn’t know that! > \*\* Apparently way back when when Ms. Reno was running for Florida Atty General, her opponent, a rabid conservative moral mafia type, handed her a piece of paper at a debate and asked her to sign a sworn statment whether or not she was gay. She rightly refused. I’d have to go back to my Jello Biafra spoken word CDs to get the exact name and place, but I think it was the same nutjob who went after 2 Live Crew. Me, couldn’t care less, I think Janet has been one of the better AG’s recently (think Ed Meese). As long as people are competent, I don’t care how many colors are on their flag. The reason I started this thread was that I had just read the whole [“Unanswered questions about cartoon characters”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=16539) thread which devolved into a who’s gay in the Scooby Doo world debate. That made me think back to the article in the OP. I already knew about Bob Mould prior to that article, originally found out in the liner notes to the Pansy Division _Pile Up_ CD. And I had just found out about Aaron Copland last week on NPR. So I was just in a curious mood. I definitley didn’t want to out anybody, when and if to come out is a personal choice, everybody else can go flog themself. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/25 "2000-11-21T00:53:28Z")
OH, I could care less who Reno sleeps with. I just didn’t know, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/26 "2000-11-21T15:30:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*I was suprised to learn that Rob Halford of Judas Preist was gay. > \*\* Me too. Everyone kept telling me he was and I never cared one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/27 "2000-11-21T20:17:54Z")
It’s always interesting to me that whenever there’s a thread about celebrities being gay, several people make the effort to say they don’t care. I don’t care about the subjects of maybe 99 percent of the threads I see, yet I don’t feel the need to make replies in any of them to tell people I don’t care about the subject discussed. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/28 "2000-11-21T20:27:22Z")
What I mean is by I don’t care, I mean, I have nothing against homosexuality. It’s more like, hey, something new about a person-I never knew that! ---
**Author:** ![jb\_farley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jb\_farley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jb_farley)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/29 "2000-11-21T21:52:33Z")
re: John Mahoney I think you may be getting him confused with the guy who plays (played?) the cooking show guy. I think it was a cooking show. Anyway, he and Bulldog are the two gay castmembers I remember reading about (it was actually an article somewhere- "Hey, two castmembers of Frasier are GAY!!!) jb ---
**Author:** ![KJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b2d939/32.png) [@KJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KJ)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/30 "2000-11-21T23:26:53Z")
I don’t remember her name, but I was surprised to find out the woman who played Marcy Darci (sp?) on Married With Children is gay. ---
**Author:** ![jb\_farley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jb\_farley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jb_farley)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/31 "2000-11-21T23:29:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KJ \* > \*\*I don’t remember her name, but I was surprised to find out the woman who played Marcy Darci (sp?) on Married With Children is gay. \*\* What?!? Really? Even with my pree-pubescent gaydar, I had a strong feeling… jbn ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/32 "2000-11-22T00:43:37Z")
**pcubed** wrote: > [@](#): > > The reason I started this thread was that I had just read the whole “Unanswered questions about cartoon characters” thread which devolved into a who’s gay in the Scooby Doo world debate. That sounds like a really silly thread. But just wait until I start my thread about whether or not Columbo is gay… **Revtim** wrote > [@](#): > > It’s always interesting to me that whenever there’s a thread about celebrities being gay, several people make the effort to say they don’t care. There was an entire episode of Sienfeld dedicated to doing this gag over and over. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that.” ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/33 "2000-11-22T01:44:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KJ \* > \*\*I don’t remember her name, but I was surprised to find out the woman who played Marcy Darci (sp?) on Married With Children is gay. \*\* Amanda Bearse. She was one of the first openly gay tv actors, and she got a whole bunch of flack for it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/34 "2000-11-22T01:53:45Z")
Marcy on MWC=Amanda Bearse. Darn, you beat me to it, oh well! My mother commented when she came out about how ironic it was that she played someone who was always lusting after all those guys on the show. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/35 "2000-11-22T14:55:47Z")
I can’t believe Liberace was gay! Women loved him! I didn’t see that one coming. – Austin Powers ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/36 "2000-11-22T18:02:17Z")
I love threads like this… 😃 Was Tom Hulce (“Amadeus”) listed? Esprix, who is, indeed, gay ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/37 "2000-11-22T23:14:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Torgo \* > \*\*I’m just not interested anymore…probably due to prepubescent emotional damage inflicted by trying to imagine Jim Nabors and Rock Hudson going at it (“Shazam!”). Or Danny Kaye and Lawrence Olivier; I’m sure even the most ardently gay man out there would say EEEEWWWWW!!! \*\* Well, in the case of Nabors and Hudson, that’s necrophelia, so I could understand some trauma. In the case of Olivier and Kaye, they’re both dead. I think a little necrolove between consenting corpses is none of our business. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2000, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/38 "2000-11-22T23:35:14Z")
On a related note - this comes from the IDMB re: Sean Hayes who plays Jack on **Will and Grace** and also had a good turn in **Billy’s Hollywood Screen Kiss** “Playing gay on the show has left a lot of questions about his own sexuality, which he chooses to leave ambiguous. He says he plays a role that is believable and he wants his next role to be equally believable.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/39 "2000-11-23T00:37:21Z")
ESPRIX-No way! I didn’t know that! 😉 Sorry, I’m in a silly mood here… ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2000, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850/40 "2000-11-23T02:31:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shanin \* > Are ya’ll sure about Danny Kaye?? 😕 His relationship with Olivier is a subject in “Laurence Olivier: A Biography” by Donald Spoto. Spoto also wrote that Kay and his wife Sylvia Kay Fine had an “understanding.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-know-they-were-gay/41850.md?page=3)