# I didn't threaten anyone, this is not worthy of a correction

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**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/1 "2016-06-01T06:52:24Z")

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[QUOTE=Asimovian]  
Dear russian heel,

You have received a warning at Straight Dope Message Board.

## Reason:

Personal Insults

## On top of the “jackasses” personal insult, you wish harm to posters’ children? Way over the line, even if this thread WERE in the Pit—and it isn’t.

Original Post:  
[post]19369121[/post]

> [@Gorilla shot to save young boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gorilla-shot-to-save-young-boy/756046/156):
>
> > [@Gorilla shot to save young boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gorilla-shot-to-save-young-boy/756046/156):
> >
> > This.
> > 
> > Immediately.
> 
> Well, that would be hard to do since only the Mom was there, shocking you missed that since you were obviously there.
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > In fact, let all the gorillas beat the shit out of this wonderful “mom” who somehow lost her 4-year old child long enough for the kid to breach an enclosure that had not been entered in 38 years the zoo has been open.
> 
> Threaten the Mom with physical violence. That’s the answer to society’s problems. Take off your hairshirt.
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > my guess is she had her head buried into her cellphone, playing candy crush or posting a message to her facebook page, telling all of her friends what a great mom she is by taking her spawn to the zoo.
> 
> Or she was also busy watching the kids of other parents. Which was the case. Bet you didn’t know that, did you.
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > My prediction:
> > 
> > 1. Mom starts a “Go Fund Me” page for charitable contributions (to ease her trauma)
> 
> Well, almost seeing your child ripped to shreds by a wild animal is pretty traumatizing. She may also have to raise money for a security system to protect her family from the idiots who have called for her to be shot once they find out her identity.
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > 1. she sues the Cincinnati Zoo for permitting her kid climb the fence and enter the enclosure.
> 
> Maybe she should. It has been suggested here the zoo might not be child-proofed.
> 
> > [@](#):
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> > I am amazed at the responses in here defending the mother. Did anyone read the article?
> 
> You clearly haven’t.
> 
> > [@](#):
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> > Cincinnati Zoo has never had a breach of that (or any other enclosure) for 38 years. I’d say that it was a reasonably safe place to take a child.
> 
> There’s a first time for everything.
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > The mother and child “discussed” him going into the water. Clearly, he announced his intentions, and instead of PAYING ATTENTION TO HER KID, a gorilla is shot.
> 
> Many kids this age are little fucking assholes and are hard to control. Even the best parents make mistakes.
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > Unless there is a gaping hole that this kid could walk through (aside from the one in mom’s head), I think I can confidently state that this parent wasn’t paying attention. No mention of any “dad”, so it would appear she was solely responsible.
> 
> Well, of course she wasn’t. She was playing Spider Solitaire on her iPhone, right?
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > Anyone here defending this twit either hasn’t been outside in the last 15 years, or is defending her because they have their head buried in their cellphones, too.
> 
> I was outside 20 minutes ago, and I’m currently watching TV. Im not defending the mother either, but am willing to learn more about what really happened and point out parenting isn’t as easy as people claim it is here.
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > My personal observations since it was decided from on-high that every mouth-breathing fucktard is entitled to a smart phone is that people pay little to no attention to their vile offspring(s) for large swaths of time. God knows, they can’t miss a “tweet” or check what their FB “friends” are lying about, or get the latest sports scores.
> 
> Your entire premise for this post is that her retarded kid jumped into the enclosure, after being told many times not to, so the mother HAD to be on her cell phone. Its ridiculous and you have no proof.
> 
> This is the dumbest post so far here, and believe me there’s been a lot of them here, including the 1 or 2 Jackasses who said the Gorillas life is more important than the child’s. I hope their kids get attacked by a wild animal and see how it feels.

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum’s rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,  
Straight Dope Message Board  
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Oh, please.

I didn’t threaten anyone’s children. It was just an example.

Copied and posted on ANTMB.

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**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/2 "2016-06-01T07:14:41Z")

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I am not a mod, and I realize you posted this mainly to get their input, but this looks like the comment that drew you a warning:

> [@](#):
>
> This is the dumbest post so far here, and believe me there’s been a lot of them here, including the 1 or 2 Jackasses who said the Gorillas life is more important than the child’s. I hope their kids get attacked by a wild animal and see how it feels.

You didn’t threaten anyone, but you wished harm on their kids. By extension, I would call wishing harm on someone’s kids no different from wishing harm on them.

Here’s the rule from the Pit. I know you posted in IMHO, but I believe the same rules apply across all forums:

> [@](#):
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> Do not threaten harm or wish death on another poster
> 
> Do not threaten another poster with physical harm, or wish for their demise. This includes hypothetical statements like “it would make me happy if someone ran you over” or “I hope you say that to [someone prone to stabbing people] and they stab you”.

As you can see, you can’t wish harm on other posters, even hypothetically, and that probably extends to wishing harm on their families, as well. And you implied you were speaking of people who posted in that thread.

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**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/3 "2016-06-01T07:23:56Z")

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The warning was for personal insults. You called a couple of posters “Jackasses”. That looks like a pretty clear insult to me.

Also, I would agree that you did not threaten anyone’s children. But that’s not what the warning says. The warning states that you wished harm on children, which you clearly said with the words “I hope their kids get attacked by a wild animal and see how it feels.” The moderator is admonishing you for that, not for personally threatening their kids.

This is spelled out very clearly in the Registration Agreement:

[QUOTE=SDMB registration agreement as of 12/21/2014]  
Hate speech, insults, and purposely inflammatory remarks (i.e., trolling) will not be tolerated. Do not post threats or state or imply that any individual or group is deserving of harm.  
[/QUOTE]

You are pretty clearly in violation of that for (1) insults and (2) implying that an individual or group is deserving of harm.

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**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/4 "2016-06-01T07:32:38Z")

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Yeah, sorry **russiaan heel**. You broke the actual rules despite sitting within the spirit of the rules. Sorry dude, but just suck this one up like demerit points on your license, and hopefully they’ll sorta be absolved if you don’t play up too soon.

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**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/5 "2016-06-01T11:28:55Z")

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I agree with **Russian Heel**

1. Jackass is such an incredibly low level insult as to barely qualify. Seriously, it is only a half-step above “meanie.” While I understand the desire for civility this is getting ridiculous. Frankly the moderation of late has taken a disturbing turn toward the banana-republic dictatorial. \<----this in no way implies that any of the mods resemble in any way, shape or form a dictator residing in a banana republic (store or nation).

2. He didn’t actually “wish harm” upon anyone. He used a very common rhetorical technique which I’ll bet everyone on this board has used at one time or another.

If he had said, “I believe it would be beneficial for these people to experience the same situation in order that they better appreciate the position the mother was in and perhaps develop some empathy” it would have amounted to the same thing just a lot more wordy and corporate bullshitty.

I think it strains the limits of credulity to warn someone for what was clearly not meant in an actual “I wish harm upon them” way. It MAY be a violation of the letter of the rule but it is certainly not a violation of the spirit of the rule.

No reasonable person would consider this any more worthy of a warning than Trudeau deserves to be charged with assault.

I guess I just side-door called some posters unreasonable. Unreasonable can be seen as insulting. Cue warning in 3 - 2 - 1 …

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**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/6 "2016-06-01T12:15:23Z")

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> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#):
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> If he had said, “I believe it would be beneficial for these people to experience the same situation in order that they better appreciate the position the mother was in and perhaps develop some empathy” it would have amounted to the same thing just a lot more wordy and corporate bullshitty.

This point can be made without expressing in terms of wishing harm on someone and without “corporate bullshitty” terminology.

Examples:

— Is this what you would really want if your own child had been in this situation?

— I can’t believe you’d say this if it had been your own child.

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/7 "2016-06-01T12:18:19Z")

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> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#):
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> He didn’t actually “wish harm” upon anyone. He used a very common rhetorical technique which I’ll bet everyone on this board has used at one time or another.

I recieved a warning a while back for suggesting a poster “esadmf”, not thinking for a minute that **Miller** could figure out what I meant. 😃

I deserved that warning, as does the OP here.

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**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/8 "2016-06-01T13:06:29Z")

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> [@Acsenray](#):
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> This point can be made without expressing in terms of wishing harm on someone and without “corporate bullshitty” terminology.
> 
> Examples:
> 
> — Is this what you would really want if your own child had been in this situation?
> 
> — I can’t believe you’d say this if it had been your own child.

Well, let’s see… I have children and I think it was wrong to shoot the gorilla. Somehow though I didn’t feel, reading the post in question, that **Russian Heel** was wishing harm upon my children. Know why? Because I recognize the device as one that is used daily by members of the English speaking world.

Had he singled out a poster and said that the warning would be justified. Had he said that he was going to attempt to find and gorillafy the children of posters disagreeing with him the warning would be justified.

But he didn’t so it wasn’t. Just my opinion.

> [@kayaker](#):
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> I recieved a warning a while back for suggesting a poster “esadmf”, not thinking for a minute that **Miller** could figure out what I meant. 😃
> 
> I deserved that warning, as does the OP here.

Of course you deserved it. Not just for the statement itself but for assuming that **Miller** was too stupid to do a ten second Google search.

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**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/9 "2016-06-01T13:41:30Z")

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It’s too easy to abuse the ‘wishing harm on others’ rule. It was just piling on by the mod in this case. The rule should be limited to an indirect threat, not figures of speech. I was warned about this once, demanded a retraction, and received one. The retraction wasn’t in any way related to my warning, but I still count it as a victory.

Let’s just get some kind of incivility notes from mods to calm these things down before they go over the edge. OTOH, get over it, it’s just a mod warning, I haven’t seen any indication that dopers get banned for putting a toe over the line once in a blue moon.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/10 "2016-06-01T14:21:14Z")

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> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#):
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> I agree with **Russian Heel**
> 
> 1. Jackass is such an incredibly low level insult as to barely qualify. Seriously, it is only a half-step above “meanie.” While I understand the desire for civility this is getting ridiculous. Frankly the moderation of late has taken a disturbing turn toward the banana-republic dictatorial. \<----this in no way implies that any of the mods resemble in any way, shape or form a dictator residing in a banana republic (store or nation).

I disagree about the level of insult, but let’ say you’re right. That’s a good point because the rules explicitly say that only “medium and high level insults” are forbidden. :roll eyes:

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**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/11 "2016-06-01T14:28:33Z")

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**John** The simple fact that your esteemed self disagrees with me confirms me in my previously stated opinion.:rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/12 "2016-06-01T14:29:43Z")

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That’s enough with the personal cracks.

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/13 "2016-06-01T14:59:55Z")

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> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#):
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> I agree with **Russian Heel**
> 
> 1. Jackass is such an incredibly low level insult as to barely qualify. Seriously, it is only a half-step above “meanie.” While I understand the desire for civility this is getting ridiculous. Frankly the moderation of late has taken a disturbing turn toward the banana-republic dictatorial. \<----this in no way implies that any of the mods resemble in any way, shape or form a dictator residing in a banana republic (store or nation).

“No insults” is a rule that can be enforced. “No insults above a certain level” is not. We are not going to compile a list of acceptable insults. I find it pretty easy to communicate without using insults of any severity. If any poster can not then maybe they need to stay in the Pit where it is allowed.

> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#):
>
> 1. He didn’t actually “wish harm” upon anyone. He used a very common rhetorical technique which I’ll bet everyone on this board has used at one time or another.

If they used it on the board then they got modded. It’s not allowed and pretty clearly spelled out in the rules. The wording used is almost the same as the example in the rules. He might not literally hope that someone’s children be attacked by wild animals but that is what was posted and it is not allowed.

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**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/14 "2016-06-01T15:58:09Z")

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Requesting clarification:

> [@cochrane](#):
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> As you can see, you can’t wish harm on other posters, even hypothetically, and that probably extends to wishing harm on their families, as well.

Bearing in mind that the poster quoted is not a mod, it appears that the above quote is an accurate summary of the official SDMB position? Is that fair to say?

> [@Loach](#):
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> “No insults” is a rule that can be enforced. “No insults above a certain level” is not. We are not going to compile a list of acceptable insults.

OK, so mods are not going to distinguish between levels of insult.

Given that,

Are mods going to distinguish between levels of _family member_?

Does a domestic partner count? An uncle? A cousin?

A nonhuman (animal) companion?

I ask because a repeated occurrence on this board is for someone to post about a beloved nonhuman companion and some smug person sails into the thread and says “I love them too…_with some fava beans and a nice Chianti!_ HAHAHAHA!”

…or otherwise exult in the idea of killing the animal companion or others of that species. It’s crass and sophomoric, of course…but it also seems at least as serious a threat to a family member as the abstract hypothetical that was modded here.

It will, no doubt, be argued, that a child is “more important” than a companion animal, but that’s a moot point IF the mods are going to be as general about “family” as they have declared they are about “insult.”

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**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/15 "2016-06-01T16:05:24Z")

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I’m just now seeing this thread, but the point has already been made by others (and particularly the last comment in **Loach** ’s post). It’s pretty plainly against the rules. Make your argument without expressing a wish for harm to come to the people you’re arguing with. I don’t think that’s a particularly difficult thing to avoid.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/16 "2016-06-01T16:20:19Z")

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> [@Sailboat](#):
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> Does a domestic partner count? An uncle? A cousin?
> 
> A nonhuman (animal) companion?

Three of these things belong together  
Three of these things are kind of the same  
Can you guess which one of these doesn’t belong here?  
Now it’s time to play our game (time to play our game).

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**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/17 "2016-06-01T16:35:12Z")

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> [@Sailboat](#):
>
> …
> 
> I ask because a repeated occurrence on this board is for someone to post about a beloved nonhuman companion and some smug person sails into the thread and says “I love them too…_with some fava beans and a nice Chianti!_ HAHAHAHA!”
> 
> …or otherwise exult in the idea of killing the animal companion or others of that species. It’s crass and sophomoric, of course…but it also seems at least as serious a threat to a family member as the abstract hypothetical that was modded here.
> 
> It will, no doubt, be argued, that a child is “more important” than a companion animal, but that’s a moot point IF the mods are going to be as general about “family” as they have declared they are about “insult.”

It seems to me that the action you’re describing still fits firmly into the “threadshitting” and “being a jerk” categories, and could presumably be modded on those grounds.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/18 "2016-06-01T16:38:37Z")

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> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#):
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> It seems to me that the action you’re describing still fits firmly into the “threadshitting” and “being a jerk” categories, and could presumably be modded on those grounds.

That, on the other hand, is a very reasonable grounds on which to mod such behavior.

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/19 "2016-06-01T19:22:01Z")

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> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#):
>
> That’s enough with the personal cracks.

Would “I got your personal crack right here, pal” be over the line?

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**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\
**Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-didnt-threaten-anyone-this-is-not-worthy-of-a-correction/756216/20 "2016-06-01T19:36:24Z")

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While I’m just as much of a fan of SDMB hair-splitting as the next guy (in that, I think we do way too much of it), most of the time I think there’s a kernel of truth to the complaint (and a small minority when I think the mods were wrong).

This time the mods are 100% correct.

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