# I disagree with Weirddave banning **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086 "2009-02-02T04:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/121 "2009-02-04T15:12:19Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > It sucks that he got banned, but had any of us made a similar comment against **DtC** or another poster in GD, we would have suffered the same fate, I’m sure. It would only be likely if you had already racked up warnings after coming off a suspension; few posters here meet that criterion. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/122 "2009-02-04T16:03:51Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I would have no problem with it if there were a rule about not being obnoxious to each other. There is not. Yes, in fact, there is. Don’t be a jerk. No personal insults outside of the Pit. Ring any bells? The snipe at **BrainGlutton** in the RIP Carlin thread in Cafe Society, just as an example, was completely gratuitous, unprovoked, and born out of a personal hate-on for **BrainGlutton** (and presumably his politics). You can argue that **BG** invited it first by claiming that Carlin’s rhetoric was true, but it was a Carlin appreciation thread, first and foremost. Many of our political posters are snippy and snide in political threads, but at least they usually have the good sense to keep it there. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/123 "2009-02-04T16:23:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by featherlou > You know, I don’t see a lot of jerkiness around here, and when I do, someone usually calls the person on it. > [@Loach](#): > > That is not the same as being banned. Not even close. No, it isn’t - my point is that posters ourselves take somewhat of an active role in keeping things civil around here (and rightly so - the boards are what we make them). It doesn’t have to be “ignore everything” or “ban everything” - I think we mostly play in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/124 "2009-02-04T16:27:40Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Yes, in fact, there is. Don’t be a jerk. No personal insults outside of the Pit. Ring any bells? The snipe at **BrainGlutton** in the RIP Carlin thread in Cafe Society, just as an example, was completely gratuitous, unprovoked, and born out of a personal hate-on for **BrainGlutton** (and presumably his politics). You can argue that **BG** invited it first by claiming that Carlin’s rhetoric was true, but it was a Carlin appreciation thread, first and foremost. > > Many of our political posters are snippy and snide in political threads, but at least they usually have the good sense to keep it there. Bet you can think of a number of posters that are obnoxious that skirt the golden dope rule. You probably won’t have to try very hard. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/125 "2009-02-04T16:43:23Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Bet you can think of a number of posters that are obnoxious that skirt the golden dope rule. You probably won’t have to try very hard. Certainly. But it’s not about being obnoxious, it’s about being a jerk. **Weirddave** acted like a jerk, and then here’s the kicker, _didn’t stop when warned_. One can possibly claim that the folks who insist on adding signoffs to their posts instead of putting them in the signatures are being obnoxious, because they know full well it annoys other posters. But the mods haven’t officially asked them to stop, and if they did and the posters continued to insist on the signoffs, then they’d be crossing into warning/suspension/banning territory. Really, that’s what it boils down to. If I find you obnoxious, I have to deal. If the mods find you obnoxious enough to warn you about it, then it’s on you. They have the authority here. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/126 "2009-02-04T16:54:27Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > If I find you obnoxious, I have to deal. If the mods find you obnoxious enough to warn you about it, then it’s on you. They have the authority here. Well, it took 125 posts to get here, but this is it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/127 "2009-02-04T17:03:13Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Really, that’s what it boils down to. If I find you obnoxious, I have to deal. If the mods find you obnoxious enough to warn you about it, then it’s on you. They have the authority here. We’re a little less capricious than that I hope. Using your example, some people here find signoffs obnoxious, others don’t. Who’s right? It’s a taste thing, not to mention that it wasn’t a big deal in any way. Insults and trolling actually do affect the quality of the board, so there are rules about them. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/128 "2009-02-04T17:05:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > We’re a little less capricious than that I hope. Using your example, some people here find signoffs obnoxious, others don’t. Who’s right? It’s a taste thing, not to mention that it wasn’t a big deal in any way. Insults and trolling actually do affect the quality of the board, so there are rules about them. Right, exactly. My point was there’s a difference between being obnoxious and being an outright jerk. I would expect, and what I see overall bears out that expectation, that mods have a much higher tolerance for what constitutes jerkishness than regular posters. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/129 "2009-02-04T17:23:19Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Certainly. But it’s not about being obnoxious, it’s about being a jerk. **Weirddave** acted like a jerk, and then here’s the kicker, _didn’t stop when warned_. > > One can possibly claim that the folks who insist on adding signoffs to their posts instead of putting them in the signatures are being obnoxious, because they know full well it annoys other posters. But the mods haven’t officially asked them to stop, and if they did and the posters continued to insist on the signoffs, then they’d be crossing into warning/suspension/banning territory. > > Really, that’s what it boils down to. If I find you obnoxious, I have to deal. If the mods find you obnoxious enough to warn you about it, then it’s on you. They have the authority here. Not disagreeing with you. It’s just in this case, given the threads posted as evidence, it seems weak. I think three out of the five would have been unofficial knock it offs to someone less abrasive. I have agreed with almost every banning that I have seen, even ones that had a lot of objections. This one made me shake my head. I never had the occasion to butt heads with Dave. If I had maybe I would have felt different. I can only go by what was shown. Not much more I can say about it. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/130 "2009-02-04T17:33:25Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I think three out of the five would have been unofficial knock it offs to someone less abrasive. 😕 And if I had boobs I’d be a girl. If **Weirddave** had been less abrasive, maybe they would have been unofficial knock it offs, not official warnings. But he was that abrasive. “You’re mistaken” and “You’re a dumbshit” arguably mean the same thing, but one will get you warned in GD and the other won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/131 "2009-02-04T17:35:56Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Certainly. But it’s not about being obnoxious, it’s about being a jerk. … I wouldn’t want to be the one drawing the line between these two. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/132 "2009-02-04T17:42:55Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I wouldn’t want to be the one drawing the line between these two. Nobody likes getting a line of chalk on his clothes. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/133 "2009-02-04T18:20:37Z")
Huh. Well, I think this is a shame - just as it’s a shame when any long time poster gets banned. However, I certainly noticed that **Dave’s** posts had been really, really nasty lately. I don’t even go in GD much at all and I noticed it. And really, link number 4 where **WeirdDave** suggests that he will pay for **Dtc’s** suicide - Jesus. That’s a horrible way to behave and if I were queen he would have been gone after that. Also, FWIW, I’ve been here a long time. I have oodles of posts. I’m a rotten bitch. Some other posters actually hate me to the point of stalking me around just to make nasty comments. As far as I’m aware, I’ve never been officially warned. (I think I may have recieved a ‘knock it off’ for ‘tone’ once. I’m sure I deserved it.) ---
**Author:** ![NineToTheSky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5a626/32.png) [@NineToTheSky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NineToTheSky)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/134 "2009-02-04T18:43:40Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Also, FWIW, I’ve been here a long time. I have oodles of posts. I’m a rotten bitch. Some other posters actually hate me to the point of stalking me around just to make nasty comments. As far as I’m aware, I’ve never been officially warned. (I think I may have recieved a ‘knock it off’ for ‘tone’ once. I’m sure I deserved it.) Oh, come now. You do yourself a disservice. You are as far from a rotten bitch as it’s possible to get IMO. You do compassion to a t. ETA: I’m sorry if I’ve blown your tough bitch image. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/135 "2009-02-04T19:32:03Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Not disagreeing with you. It’s just in this case, given the threads posted as evidence, it seems weak. You are missing a key point. He was previously suspended for similar behavior, and told when he returned that he was on a short rope. That needs to go into the evidence file as well. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Have\_Hippos\_In\_My\_Garden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4491bb/32.png) [@I\_Have\_Hippos\_In\_My\_Garden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Have_Hippos_In_My_Garden)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/136 "2009-02-04T20:17:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Also, FWIW, I’ve been here a long time. I have oodles of posts. I’m a rotten bitch. Some other posters actually hate me to the point of stalking me around just to make nasty comments. As far as I’m aware, I’ve never been officially warned. (I think I may have recieved a ‘knock it off’ for ‘tone’ once. I’m sure I deserved it.) Yes sorry **alice\_in\_wonderland** but you have always come across as being very lovely whenever I have seen you post. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/137 "2009-02-04T21:37:44Z")
> [@I\_Have\_Hippos\_In\_My\_Garden](#): > > Yes sorry **alice\_in\_wonderland** but you have always come across as being very lovely whenever I have seen you post. Humm. I wonder if those from the UK get my sense of humour more than those from the US, or something? Anyhoodle, thanks. But there are more than one poster who have said that they hate me and wish I wouldn’t post anymore, and I’ve still managed to never get warned, is my point. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/138 "2009-02-04T21:44:36Z")
It is not possible for anyone who says ‘anyhoodle’ to be a bitch. Annoying, yes. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/139 "2009-02-04T21:49:31Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > It is not possible for anyone who says ‘anyhoodle’ to be a bitch. > > Annoying, yes. See, now that’s just not nice. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086/140 "2009-02-04T21:54:45Z")
Many years ago I got away with calling someone an asshole outside the Pit, and was never warned. But I laid out the evidence and explained how it was the only possible conclusion to draw. I think I was spared because the mods must have considered it the same as simply posting a fact. Either that, or nobody reported it because everyone else in the thread agreed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-disagree-with-weirddave-banning/484086.md?page=8)