# I do not share your racism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588 "2011-10-14T00:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/201 "2011-10-19T03:32:42Z")
**Rand** , would it be accurate to say that “ **Rand Rover** does not believe that whites are superior to blacks, he just thinks they’re smarter”? I’d just like you to say yes so I can use it as my signature/link back to it here whenever you enter a discussion on race. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/202 "2011-10-19T12:08:45Z")
Well, _of course_ Whites’re not superior. Blacks (all of them) still have that running gene going for them, so it’s a wash, amiright? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/203 "2011-10-19T12:18:56Z")
I was talking to my neighbor about this thread last night. He summed up pretty much how I feel: a) If the woman’s statement is factually correct, then it is not necessarily racist; b) in DC, there’s a pretty decent chance the statement is factually correct; c) yeah, Virginia drivers can’t parallel park for shit. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/204 "2011-10-19T15:14:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Let’s try something just one time. Let’s have a thread about racism where someone besides me says what they believe qualifies a person as a racist. Just one time. When you make generalizations about folks based on teh color of their skin. The fact that all of us are a little bit racist doesn’t make it any less racist but most of us try to temper or suppress our racism the same way we temper our avarice (well, at least some of us do, others embrace our racism and avarice). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/205 "2011-10-19T15:16:53Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > But even sven apparently believes this to be actually true–she said she thinks black people are indeed targeting white people. So how is Pearls a racist for simply making a statement that she and the listener believe to be a true factual statement? > > If I performed a study on average height of Asians v. White people and found Asians to be shorter on average, would saying “Asians are shorter on average than white people” make me a racist? Because, Even Sven doesn’t think its skin color that is determining the targetees and she doesn’t think its skin color that is driving the targetors. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/206 "2011-10-19T15:27:11Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I started off by trying to make the point that the dislike, disdain and even hate for Tea Baggers is obvious around here. What exactly are the reasons for that attitude? > > Whatever they are, my dislike for a person of a different race is based on much the same thing…it’s not simply skin color. > > To the extent every person who goes to a Tea Party rally can be lumped into a common group, I think I should be able to do the same for other groups. I can point to a person a Tea Party rally and then turn around and point to any other random person at a Tea Party rally and say, fairly accurately, that they are quite alike in their espoused ideals and behavior. Can you point to, say, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, and then turn around and point to any other random black person on the planet and say, with any accuracy whatsoever, that they are quite alike in their espoused ideals and behavior? Of course you can’t, you fucking dolt. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/207 "2011-10-19T15:43:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are misunderstanding what I’m saying (as is your wont). > > I agree with you that the vast majority (if not all) racists believe their viewpoint is supported by the facts. All I am saying is that someone who discusses facts about different races is not necessarily a racist. > > So, for example, just because a person says they believe asians on average or shorter than whites on average based on studies they read is not necessarily a racist. Same goes for any other human feature (e.g., IQ) and any other set of races. Well, yes and no. I’ve been involved in some threads on the effects of intelligence and race and while there is some kneejerk reaction to any suggestion that there might be a difference in average intelligence between races, to the point where folks start arguing about whether or not there is such a thing as race. However, the purpose and intent of some of those who highlight racial differences in IQ scores is at the very least geared towards explaining away racial differences in socioeconomic status and stuff like that as if to say, “well its cuz they’re stupid, there’s not much we can do about that” And that any attempts to level the playing field are merely attempts to actually tilt the playing feld in favor of these folks who are naturally disadvantaged due to their innate intellectual inferiority and not because of centuries years of slavery followed by a century of Jim Crow. Maybe there is something to theory that racial differences in IQ contribute to the the low socioeconomic status of blacks all over the world and the basket case that we see in Africa but the Bell Curve isn’t the bible and it certainly doesn’t explain the entire gap between black success in America and white success in America. It wasn’t that long ago that you could say the same things about Asia and Asians generally. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/208 "2011-10-19T16:05:46Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Care to explain? At this point it really looks like you are pretty desperate to portray me as a racist, but you can’t actually explain why I am one–you just take it as an article of faith. Why is that? LOL. Your claim is that there are inherent race-based difference between whites and blacks, and that one race generally has more desirable qualities than the other, but that’s not racist (!!!) and _I’m_ the one whose explanation is desperate. Negro, please. I’m growing tired of these stupid little word games. Your use of “good” or “value” are irritatingly asinine. No one thinks a smart person is “better” than a person who isn’t smart, but we can all agree it’s “better” to be a smart person than a dumb one. We can agree that tall, strong, or beautiful people don’t have superior “values” to the ugly or weak, but we sure as shit “value” strength and beauty. If there were some hypothetical race of humans out there that was smart, stronger, taller and better looking than others, we might hesitate to call them better in terms of being ethical human beings, but we’ll all say they have better qualities. So you don’t think the dark ones have lesser values or morals than white people, but that’s never been the point, and I’m not sure why you keep focusing on that. You do believe that they, as a matter of race, lack good qualities such as intelligence compared to other races. But no no, my attempt to paint that as a belief in racial superiority is a wild stretch of crazy talk! And I know grant myself the 2011 Not Taking Her Own Advice Award. I told \*\*bup \*\*not to get sucked in to this nonsense, and look at me. Look at me! I am _mired_ in foolishness! > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Of course you can’t, you fucking dolt. Hey, lay off the dolts, will ya? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/209 "2011-10-19T17:25:09Z")
MOL, the only foolishness you are mired in is your own. I haven’t been playing word games, I have painstakingly explained to you my exact thought processes on these issues in an attempt to educate you, yet you still are not understanding me. I have said nothing about black people’s morals or values. I’ve just said that I am not making a value judgment when discussing the race/IQ studies. By “value judgment,” I mean thjat I am not saying that one race is better than another. Here’s some food for thought: the race/IQ studies say that asians on average have a higher IQ than whites on average. I’m a white guy. You think I’m a racist. Is “we’re number 2!!!” something a white racist would be all excited about saying? ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/210 "2011-10-19T17:26:38Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > And I know grant myself the 2011 Not Taking Her Own Advice Award. I told \*\*bup \*\*not to get sucked in to this nonsense, and look at me. Look at me! I am _mired_ in foolishness! It’s impossible not to. Preaching “the genetic mental inferiority of the black race” is akin crashing a fancy dinner party and shitting in the punchbowl. Some idiots just can’t stop themselves and, for the rest of the party goers, it becomes impossible to continue without commenting on why the room smells like crap. This happened so often that **Marley23** started [enforcing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13644307&postcount=32) a [rule](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13639342&postcount=8) in GD keeping the party-shitters from hijacking any and all threads that dealt with race, blacks, or Africa. Of course, this…[upset](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13644012&postcount=30) some braying jackasses and punchbowl shitting idiots; **Chief Pedant** even left the board in [a pant-stained huff](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13644769&postcount=299). Also its funny, how in a pit thread about a race related encounter **even sven** had with another white lady, **Rand Rover** has managed to successfully [introduce](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14357204&postcount=55) and [hijack](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14357390&postcount=60) it [with](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14357835&postcount=73) unrelated [posts/claims](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14358727&postcount=101) about “[the genetic](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14358801&postcount=104) [mental](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14362562&postcount=134) [inferiority](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14371032&postcount=184) of [the black](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14372231&postcount=194) [race](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14374353&postcount=209).” After awhile it really becomes impossible to hold your nose. In the end one must acknowledge that there’s shit laying in the middle of the room. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are misunderstanding what I’m saying (as is your wont). > > I agree with you that the vast majority (if not all) racists believe their viewpoint is supported by the facts. All I am saying is that someone who discusses facts about different races is not necessarily a racist. > > So, for example, just because a person says they believe asians on average or shorter than whites on average based on studies they read is not necessarily a racist. Same goes for any other human feature (e.g., IQ) and any other set of races. I understand clearly. You’re a pathetic racist and an idiotic racialist. Your facts are either misinterpreted or entirely crap. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/211 "2011-10-19T17:32:53Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I have painstakingly explained I guess this is what they mean when they say “stupid hurts.” ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/212 "2011-10-19T17:43:16Z")
Ooh, I’m a racist and a racialist! Oh my! Thanks for the history lesson, orcenio. This thread has gone the way these threads always go–people like you and MOL insist I must mean and believe something I don’t mean or believe, no matter what I actually say. You refuse to actually discuss the real issues here, resorting instead to just calling mne a racist and insisting I have beliefs that I simply do not have. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/213 "2011-10-19T18:07:04Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > This thread has gone the way these threads always go–people like you and MOL insist I must mean and believe something I don’t mean or believe, no matter what I actually say. You may wish to abandon your defense of nonsensical points, if you really wish to avoid being “misunderstood” in the same way in the future. Much like your tireless efforts in the “pro bono” thread to convince everyone but yourself that a requirement isn’t a requirement, simply repeating a contradiction over and over again does not render it less contradictory. But hey, keep bashing your head against that rock. It’s a comforting sound. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/214 "2011-10-19T18:10:39Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Ooh, I’m a racist and a racialist! Oh my! > > Thanks for the history lesson, orcenio. This thread has gone the way these threads always go–people like you and MOL insist I must mean and believe something I don’t mean or believe, no matter what I actually say. You refuse to actually discuss the real issues here, resorting instead to just calling mne a racist and insisting I have beliefs that I simply do not have. If you don’t want to be called racist, stop doing and saying racist things 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/215 "2011-10-19T18:12:07Z")
Poor, misunderstood Randy. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/216 "2011-10-19T18:17:39Z")
It’s the sound of fighting ignorance. So many people come to a discussion with preconceived notions and prejudices and won’t smply listen to what I’m saying. I had hoped I could reach MOL because we had a good discussion going for a bit, but now it seems she has chosen the path of insisting I believe something I don’t believe. Oh well, I tried, and I’ll try again in another thread. I just simply don’t understand why someone would want to live their life thinking about others the way MOL and orcenio (et al) do, but that’s their choice I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/217 "2011-10-19T18:24:02Z")
MOL, you would probably understand if you simply took what I said at face value. Instead of doing that, you have to twist my words to support your idea that I believe blacks are inferior so that you can then beat me up for having that belief. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/218 "2011-10-19T18:27:31Z")
Heheheh. This guy is a comedy goldmine. If you want people to stop thinking that you believe blacks are inferior, you should probably stop saying that blacks are inferior. I mean, that’s just a suggestion. You certainly don’t have to take it. Personally I look forward to many more pages of careful and painstaking explanations of how the very clearly racist statements you have made are not, in fact, racist, as any idiot could see. Not that being an idiot is a bad thing, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/219 "2011-10-19T18:31:39Z")
Dude, I just find your claims to be contradictory. There’s what you say, “painstakingly” no less, which is you don’t believe any race is better/superior to another, but then there’s all that other shit you say which seems to say in a pretty straight-forward fashion that you do. You don’t get to say that race itself accounts for differences among the races, and that some inherently have better traits than others, except that’s not racism because you said so. That’s pretty much the textbook definition, but I guess we just don’t understand you. Yeah, I know, “Some races better traits, but that doesn’t make them a better race!” Ya, got it. Edit: Damn, Randy, stop being so butthurt. We can still be friends. That’ll give me ultimate liberal douche cred. “Ay y’all, I’m so tolerant, I’m friends with a _racist_.” I’ve taken your words at face value, they’re just bullshit at face value, is all. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/220 "2011-10-19T18:35:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > It’s the sound of fighting ignorance. So many people come to a discussion with preconceived notions and prejudices and won’t smply listen to what I’m saying. > > I had hoped I could reach MOL because we had a good discussion going for a bit, but now it seems she has chosen the path of insisting I believe something I don’t believe. Oh well, I tried, and I’ll try again in another thread. I just simply don’t understand why someone would want to live their life thinking about others the way MOL and orcenio (et al) do, but that’s their choice I guess. If just about everybody who reads what you’ve written thinks what you’re saying is racist, the problem might not be that they all just misunderstand you in exactly the same way, the problem might just be that you’re a fucking racist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588.md?page=12)