# I do not share your racism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588 "2011-10-14T00:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/241 "2011-10-21T16:51:47Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > The only reasonable conclusion I can come up with is that it was meant as a bit of us vs. them neighborly bonding. Gross. I suspected this was the real problem. The only thing worse than racism itself is being _thought_ a racist by someone else. This explains both the OP and the long, long ensuing argument not over the _actual effects of actual actions_, but _beliefs_ and whether they meet the standard of some definition. In the last 20 years most discussions of racism have been precisely this, little to do with the actual experiences of minorities but much to do with the esteem and standing of white people Given a chance to do something that in your own judgment would stop actual racism, yet expose you to credible accusations of racist intentions, would you do it? Or are you too worried about what other people think? This is a generic question, not directed at **even sven**. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/242 "2011-10-21T19:17:54Z")
I dunno. Would you do something to stop Nazis if it meant everyone would think you are a Nazi? What a dumb question. Nobody wants to be perceived as something they if d repugnant, and that doesn’t somehow exclude also not likening those things you find repugnant. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/243 "2011-10-21T19:27:53Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > Given a chance to do something that in your own judgment would stop actual racism, yet expose you to credible accusations of racist intentions, would you do it? Or are you too worried about what other people think? This is a generic question, not directed at **even sven**. I’d do it, but then again I’m not white lady from Santa Barbara whose largest struggle in life has been my maid suspecting that I might be racist. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/244 "2011-10-21T19:51:17Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > I’d do it, but then again I’m not white lady from Santa Barbara whose largest struggle in life has been my maid suspecting that I might be racist. Oh yeah, I forgot that all white people live lives of such leisure and ease that we have no right to form opinions on anything. I’ll get back to grooming my Pomeranian now, and leave the thinking to my Authentic Keepin’-it-Real sisters who understand the streets. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/245 "2011-10-21T20:03:48Z")
Ooh, touchy. I’m just saying if someone _thinking_ that you _think_ a bad thing is worse than actual bad things happening, then you may need to get a grip. There have been numerous times when I’ve done something good, was briefly irritated that it looked bad on my part from the outside, then moved on with life and had a sandwich later. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/246 "2011-10-21T20:19:18Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Ooh, touchy. I’m just saying if someone _thinking_ that you _think_ a bad thing is worse than actual bad things happening, then you may need to get a grip. There have been numerous times when I’ve done something good, was briefly irritated that it looked bad on my part from the outside, then moved on with life and had a sandwich later. Who ever said that? If she is burning crosses and beating up black dudes, obviously that’s a huge problem. But if she wants to sit in her room and stew about how the neighborhood is going downhill, it’s not objectively a great thing, but is not super high on my list of things to worry about. What she did was bring her bullshit into my life, making it affect me and making me angry on a nice warm evening. Don’t tell that shit to anyone, but most relevantly, don’t tell it to me n ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/247 "2011-10-21T21:23:22Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Here’s some food for thought: the race/IQ studies say that asians on average have a higher IQ than whites on average. I’m a white guy. You think I’m a racist. Is “we’re number 2!!!” something a white racist would be all excited about saying? Actually yes, there are plenty of white-supremacists who are quite fond of Chinese and Japanese. Google the term “honorary aryan”. Are you ignorant of that fact, or does the fact that white racialists can be quite self-contradicting and irrational surprise you? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/248 "2011-10-21T23:28:09Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And they’re crappy at making comparisons and/or proofreading. D’oh! I need to remember that drinking while posting isn’t the best idea. Anyway, FWIW, I assume everyone recognizes I was merely making a joke regarding how this site unfortunately tends to draw “scientific” racists like flies. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/249 "2011-10-24T00:45:59Z")
What is a “‘scientific’ racist”? ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/250 "2011-10-24T00:47:46Z")
It’s similar to “scientific homeopathy.” ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/251 "2011-10-27T18:55:48Z")
I kissed a black guy a few weeks ago. I’d like my fucking cookie now. > [@Caffeine.addict](#): > > From even sven’s description of her neighborhood, I would guess that she’s in NW. Really? I’ve been thinking SE the whole time, maybe around Navy Yard. Or maybe RFK. > [@Caffeine.addict](#): > > The Maryland drivers are the ones that speed through the neighborhoods and don’t signal. They also like to cut through the alley. As an ex of mine once said: “People from Maryland drive like they have really good health insurance.” (I say this as someone who moved to Northern Virginia from Maryland. And as someone who recently hit a car while I was trying to parallel park…but not in DC.) > [@madmonk28](#): > > It’s like they think the rest of us are just extras in a movie playing in their head… Best way I’ve ever heard that put. ---
**Author:** ![Vihaga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Vihaga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vihaga)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/252 "2011-10-27T19:01:52Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > What she did was bring her bullshit into my life, making it affect me and making me angry on a nice warm evening. Don’t tell that shit to anyone, but most relevantly, don’t tell it to me n It didn’t affect you enough to fucking say something to her, which is pathetically cowardly and largely undermines your outrage. And I say that as an unrepentant coward. ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/253 "2011-10-27T19:14:38Z")
Oh, come off it, **Vihaga**. You’ve never been taken aback? Never thought of the exact right thing to say after the opportunity has passed? Not once? ---
**Author:** ![Vihaga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Vihaga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vihaga)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/254 "2011-10-27T19:17:43Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Oh, come off it, **Vihaga**. You’ve never been taken aback? Never thought of the exact right thing to say after the opportunity has passed? Not once? Of course I have, but when it happens I’m pissed at myself for letting it slide instead of running to the internet to tell everyone how awesome I am because I hate social injustice, even if I won’t even tell a middle-aged lady to piss off in defense of my beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/255 "2011-10-27T19:56:19Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > Oh, come off it, **Vihaga**. You’ve never been taken aback? Never thought of the exact right thing to say after the opportunity has passed? Not once? You kidding? She has so much _savoir-faire_, her _l’esprit de l’escalier_ hits when she’s still _à l’étage noble_! \<_bruit d’un coup frappé sur le cercle et la peau d’une caisse claire, qui ne peut pas être exprimée en français par un seul mot_\> ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/256 "2011-10-27T20:00:18Z")
Everyone needs to get the fuck off of **even sven** ’s back about her “cowardly” running to the Internet and posting about something. In case you all hadn’t noticed, we’re all participating on an Internet message board, the content of which is 100% comprised of people running to the Internet and posting about stuff. “Oh, of course I have had similar thoughts, but I didn’t run to the Internet and post them!” Well, good for you. Have yourself a goddamn cookie. Eat it while you read threads posted by other people who did bother to post their thoughts for your enjoyment and/or amusement. God. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/257 "2011-10-27T21:37:08Z")
FWIW, someone got mugged on my front doorstep yesterday (at 9AM! Who the hell pulls a gun on someone on a busy street during rush hour?), and the victim was a middle-aged black lady. So I guess the baddies have decided to branch out or something. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/258 "2011-10-27T21:59:26Z")
What else are they supposed to do now that you honkeys are on to them? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/259 "2011-10-28T12:32:37Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I can point to a person a Tea Party rally and then turn around and point to any other random person at a Tea Party rally and say, fairly accurately, that they are quite alike in their espoused ideals and behavior. > > Can you point to, say, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, and then turn around and point to any other random black person on the planet and say, with any accuracy whatsoever, that they are quite alike in their espoused ideals and behavior? > > Of course you can’t, you fucking dolt. Does anybody else think that the fucking dolt is the guy who thinks those two examples are comparable? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/260 "2011-10-28T13:08:57Z")
Let’s put it to a vote. What-the-Fuckaroonie: “I make judgements on all black people because they belong to the same group.” Little J-Bats: “I make judgement on all Tea Party members because the belong to the same group” I ask you, Teeming Millions, who’s on more solid footing? Remember, I have Tea Party members all congregating in the same place and holding signs that all say pretty much the same thing. Dolty McWhat-the-Fuck has, “But they’re all the same color!” I look forward to the exit polls. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588.md?page=14)