# I do not share your racism. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588 "2011-10-14T00:57:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/141 "2011-10-16T13:57:08Z")
> [@bup](#): > > [Liberals are smarter than conservatives.](http://www.psychologicalscience.org/onlyhuman/2008/01/does-smart-equal-liberal.cfm) > > That’s not a value judgment; I’m just stating a fact. One study hardly makes anything a “fact”. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/142 "2011-10-16T14:09:23Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > This is the classic liberal perspective on differences of opinion: if only we could educate people as to the facts, then all disagreements would vanish. FWIW, I have personally heard this argument (“if you just listened to the facts you’d understand my position and agree!”) from three conservatives in my life, and zero liberals. Of course, the liberals aren’t trying to convince me I’m wrong. But still, the left wing hardly has the market cornered on this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/143 "2011-10-16T15:31:36Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > But maybe the woman **evensven** encountered was recently the victim of a serious crime committed by a black person. In Washington DC, is this not quite possible, statistically? That would be a fact not known to **evensven**. Liberals tend to believe everything they read in books, if those books are written by people with “respectable academic credentials”. But most people weight their own direct experiences far more heavily than anything they’ve read in a book. You know the old saying about a conservative being a liberal “mugged by reality.” WTF are you talking about? Life experience is the one thing I’m not short of, even in regards to being mugged by black people. Your ideas about whatever you think “liberals” are like are insane. ---
**Author:** ![heavyarms553](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/779978/32.png) [@heavyarms553](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heavyarms553)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/144 "2011-10-16T15:42:44Z")
Familiarity breeds contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/145 "2011-10-16T15:50:41Z")
I guess the answer to my question is, no, compassion can’t go both ways. If you’re defined to be a racist, then your words and actions merit the harshest possible interpretation. If you oppose the racist, then all your excesses are washed away by the pure waters of good intentions. You merit boundless tolerance and always deserve the benefit of the doubt. There are good and bad people in the world, right and wrong people, and their status is immediately discernible based on a single sentence. It must be gratifying but boring to live in such a transparent world. I suppose it is the burden of the few who are gifted with clear sight. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/146 "2011-10-16T15:58:58Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > There’s no such thing as “black criminality,” just as there’s no such thing as “white pedophilia”. There are simply criminals, and pedophiles. > > You’re wrong and irrational, and you shouldn’t get your panties in a bunch when Orcenio and others point that out. By black criminality I mean the difference in crime rates between blacks and other races, not that every black person has a higher propensity to commit crimes than every white person. I forgot the audience here. It’s like having to explain to kids that rustling branches are caused by the wind and not by monsters. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/147 "2011-10-16T23:08:09Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Please. > > You’re a dang furriner! 😛 > > You just wish you were a [real black person, like Herman Caine](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52312.html). Hey, California may be strange, but it’s still America. > [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > The only thing worse than racists, is Blacks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/148 "2011-10-16T23:23:24Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > By black criminality I mean the difference in crime rates between blacks and other races, not that every black person has a higher propensity to commit crimes than every white person. I forgot the audience here. It’s like having to explain to kids that rustling branches are caused by the wind and not by monsters. MOnsTerS! aaaaaaAAAAAAGHGHGHGGH ---
**Author:** ![pkd88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2bfe46/32.png) [@pkd88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkd88)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/149 "2011-10-16T23:55:47Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > This is the classic liberal perspective on differences of opinion: if only we could educate people as to the facts, then all disagreements would vanish. But different facts are known to different people. It’s easy to sit at your computer and pull up sophisticated theories of black criminality that lay it all at the foot of discrimination, then curse the ignorance of the racist who doesn’t know or accept these “facts”. > > But maybe the woman **evensven** encountered was recently the victim of a serious crime committed by a black person. In Washington DC, is this not quite possible, statistically? That would be a fact not known to **evensven**. Liberals tend to believe everything they read in books, if those books are written by people with “respectable academic credentials”. But most people weight their own direct experiences far more heavily than anything they’ve read in a book. You know the old saying about a conservative being a liberal “mugged by reality.” > > It’s good for people to be compassionate, tolerant and understanding toward each other. Why can’t it go both ways? It is not as if this woman was marching up the street with a bullhorn yelling “Niggers back to Africa.” Certain people think they are doing a service to society by confronting, rejecting, denouncing, every possibly racist opinion or action, no matter how trivial. Not so. When you do that, you’re just legitimizing aggression as a way to solve problems, and you shouldn’t be surprised if the other side becomes more aggressive as a result. I am confused as to why racism has anything to do with liberals or conservatives. Is fighting racism a liberal cause? Dose this mean that being a racist is a conservative position? Defending racism is a conservative position? Tolerating racism is a conservative position? I am also confused as to why being a racist is considered just an opinion, therefor we, as humans, should accept it. Why must we allow facts to be hidden by ignorance? We must respect racists and their opinions because they might try and start a new country or something. Why won’t you offer this courtesy to people who actually take the time to educate themselves and become aware of the facts? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/150 "2011-10-17T06:32:46Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > By black criminality I mean the difference in crime rates between blacks and other races, not that every black person has a higher propensity to commit crimes than every white person. I forgot the audience here. It’s like having to explain to kids that rustling branches are caused by the wind and not by monsters. Uh, no. “The audience” as you put it, takes issue with your grasp of the facts, and your tendency to make specious claims based on arbitrary categories. You’re a bit too slow on the uptake to understand the distinction. The monsters, such as they are, are in your head. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/151 "2011-10-17T11:57:35Z")
> [@Terraplane](#): > > I have no idea if Mr Dibble hates Tea Baggers more than you hate black people but even if he does it you’re still not making much of a point. Black people are born black, they have no control over the color of their skin. A person makes a choice to be a Tea Bagger. My dislike for a black person is based on his behaviour, beliefs and those he associates with. That makes me an Official SDMB Racist. The dislike for Tea Baggers is based on the same and is rampant around here. ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/152 "2011-10-17T15:36:50Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > My dislike for a black person is based on his behaviour, beliefs and those he associates with. That makes me an Official SDMB Racist. So a black person whose behavior, beliefs, and associates you dislike is a “stereotypical person of color?” ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/153 "2011-10-17T15:37:36Z")
This thread is so crazy and all over the place, what’s one more curveball? It should be noted that earlier this year, the police chief of DC said: > [@](#): > > The percentage of hate crimes being committed against whites and Hispanics in the District is rapidly on the rise, Police Chief Cathy Lanier said Wednesday. [http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2011/07/dc-hate-crimes-now-targeting-whites-hispanics#ixzz1b3OiUzcl](http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2011/07/dc-hate-crimes-now-targeting-whites-hispanics#ixzz1b3OiUzcl) ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/154 "2011-10-17T15:41:32Z")
> [@Terraplane](#): > > So a black person whose behavior, beliefs, and associates you dislike is a “stereotypical person of color?” Absolutely not…didn’t say that. See you’re confused because I am an Official SDMB Racist which is different than being a racist. ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/155 "2011-10-17T16:31:07Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Fuck You **Mr Dribble** …I’ll bet you have more hate for the stereotypical Tea Bagger\*\* than I have for the stereotypical person of color\*\*. Bolding mine. > [@Terraplane](#): > > I have no idea if Mr Dibble hates Tea Baggers more than you hate black people but even if he does it you’re still not making much of a point. Black people are born black, they have no control over the color of their skin. A person makes a choice to be a Tea Bagger. > [@What\_the](#): > > My dislike for a black person is based on his behaviour, beliefs and those he associates with. That makes me an Official SDMB Racist. > > The dislike for Tea Baggers is based on the same and is rampant around here. > [@Terraplane](#): > > So a black person whose behavior, beliefs, and associates you dislike is a “stereotypical person of color?” > [@What\_the](#): > > Absolutely not…didn’t say that. 😕 Ok, I’ll take you at your word that you’re not a racist. And that a black person whose behavior, beliefs, and associates you dislike is not what you meant when you typed out “a stereotypical person of color.” But then, since you seem to agree with me that it’s ok to dislike somebody based on their behavior or beliefs but NOT ok to dislike them based on the color of their skin, I’m wondering what the point of your first post was supposed to be. “I bet you dislike Tea Partiers [whose ideals you know and find distasteful] more than I dislike people of color [whose ideals I don’t know and so am at worst neutral toward]?” Well, not really a huge shocker there, is it? What is the point of making that comparison? ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/156 "2011-10-17T18:23:29Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > This thread is so crazy and all over the place, what’s one more curveball? There was also a rash of [iPhone](http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/dc/rash-of-iphone-robberies-in-dc-092810) thefts last year. It really isn’t a good idea to walk around DC not paying attention to your surrounding, even if you don’t get mugged, you may get run down by the Maryland drivers\*. - Dear Maryland drivers, I am just kidding. Mostly. Please don’t run me down. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/157 "2011-10-17T18:41:33Z")
Yeah, def. don’t walk around looking at your iphone, you might miss someone from Northern Virginia trying to parallel park\*. \*Dear VA. drivers, I’m not kidding, really; take a class, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/158 "2011-10-17T23:36:43Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Yeah, def. don’t walk around looking at your iphone, you might miss someone from Northern Virginia trying to parallel park\*. > > \*Dear VA. drivers, I’m not kidding, really; take a class, or something. Drivers from Virginia go faster than 15 mph in DC? I usually associate Virginia drivers with driving painfully slow and acting a little lost. The Maryland drivers are the ones that speed through the neighborhoods and don’t signal. They also like to cut through the alley. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/159 "2011-10-17T23:54:19Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > This thread is so crazy and all over the place, what’s one more curveball? > > It should be noted that earlier this year, the police chief of DC said: How dare you state a fact that may make black people look bad, you racist! ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2011, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588/160 "2011-10-17T23:57:47Z")
Also, last night, as I was walking to my car, I pointed out to a lady digging through her purse at a parking meter that it was Sunday, so she didn’t need to feed the meter. And she was black. Boo-yah! One (1) Prop, please. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-do-not-share-your-racism/599588.md?page=9)