# I don't believe ISIS is Islamic **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2015, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967 "2015-11-19T08:29:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/1 "2015-11-19T08:29:21Z")
Habakkuk 1:3 > [@](#): > > Why do you make me look at injustice? Why do you tolerate wrongdoing? Destruction and violence are before me; there is strife, and conflict abounds. Habakkuk 1:4 > [@](#): > > Therefore the law is paralyzed, and justice never prevails. The wicked hem in the righteous, so that justice is perverted. Habakkuk 1:9 > [@](#): > > they all come intent on violence. Their hordes advance like a desert wind and gather prisoners like sand. Habakkuk 1:10 > [@](#): > > They mock kings and scoff at rulers. They laugh at all fortified cities; by building earthen ramps they capture them. Habakkuk 1:11 > [@](#): > > Then they sweep past like the wind and go on-- guilty people, whose own strength is their god. I think the last describes ISIS. As long as their military might accomplishes something, they feel special. It is their god. They are brutal murderers, and have to keep it up to maintain their cult of awe, similar to the ancient Aztecs I suppose but without the excuse of antiquity. Even though classical Islam contains scenes of conquest, I can’t believe ISIS’ behavior can be considered Islamic. They are something else- a political cult maybe, or just an especially nasty terror group attempting to hijack a religion. Obama and others are right- no religion condones this. ISIS really isn’t Islamic. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/2 "2015-11-19T08:35:37Z")
I don’t think people who believe divorce is not a sin are Christian. > [@](#): > > 31 "It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ > 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/3 "2015-11-19T08:42:14Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Habakkuk 1:3 > > Habakkuk 1:4 > > Habakkuk 1:9 > > Habakkuk 1:10 > > Habakkuk 1:11 > I think the last describes ISIS. As long as their military might accomplishes something, they feel special. It is their god. They are brutal murderers, and have to keep it up to maintain their cult of awe, similar to the ancient Aztecs I suppose but without the excuse of antiquity. > > Even though classical Islam contains scenes of conquest, I can’t believe ISIS’ behavior can be considered Islamic. They are something else- a political cult maybe, or just an especially nasty terror group attempting to hijack a religion. Obama and others are right- no religion condones this. ISIS really isn’t Islamic. I don’t care if your uncle was a Scotsman and he took sugar in his porridge. No true Scotsman would take sugar in his porridge. Saying ISIS isn’t Muslim or “Islamic” is like insisting that the Crusaders weren’t “Christians” or that the Irgun terrorists who blew up the King David hotel and slaughtered 250 Arab civilians at Dir Yassin weren’t “Jews”. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/4 "2015-11-19T09:20:48Z")
ISIS is not the _only_ thing that’s Islamic. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims; the vast, vast majority of them are not running around turning non-Muslim women into sex slaves and burning people alive and the rest of it. (If all the world’s Muslims were like ISIS, we would all be in deep, \*deep/i] shit. Way deeper even than we all already are.) ISIS is the most depraved, fanatical, batshit crazy, evil, and utterly contempible fringe of Islam. They make the Khomeinists in Iran look sane, reasonable, and respectful of the rights of women and religious minorities. Hell, they make the _Saudis_ look good. Even motherfucking _ **al Qaeda** _ seems to think ISIS has gone too damned far. I have no doubt that an increasingly overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims are shocked and disgusted by ISIS and in general heartily sick of their shit. But, yeah, they’re Muslims, and ISIS is one small, crazy, evil, horrible _part_ of Islam. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/5 "2015-11-19T11:41:32Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > But, yeah, they’re Muslims, and ISIS is one small, crazy, evil, horrible _part_ of Islam. Yes, I will not practice backwards takfir on these takfiris. To say that much of their ideology is “unislamic” is a counter-propaganda short-hand for saying that it is bida3 (hateful innovation) and outside of the traditional zones of consensus. but yes, the short-hand propaganda is not correct. I understand why it is said, naunced propaganda is not very effective mostly. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/6 "2015-11-19T13:32:10Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > ISIS is not the _only_ thing that’s Islamic. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims; the vast, vast majority of them are not running around turning non-Muslim women into sex slaves and burning people alive and the rest of it. (If all the world’s Muslims were like ISIS, we would all be in deep, \*deep/i] shit. Way deeper even than we all already are.) > > ISIS is the most depraved, fanatical, batshit crazy, evil, and utterly contempible fringe of Islam. They make the Khomeinists in Iran look sane, reasonable, and respectful of the rights of women and religious minorities. Hell, they make the _Saudis_ look good. Even motherfucking _ **al Qaeda** _ seems to think ISIS has gone too damned far. I have no doubt that an increasingly overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims are shocked and disgusted by ISIS and in general heartily sick of their shit. > > But, yeah, they’re Muslims, and ISIS is one small, crazy, evil, horrible _part_ of Islam. Agreed. Whether or not ISIS/ISIL/Daesh (can we agree on just one name?) correctly interprets Islamic texts to justify its actions, apparently its members believe they are Islamic, and not only that, but that they are the sole true muslims. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/7 "2015-11-19T14:05:47Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Agreed. Whether or not ISIS/ISIL/Daesh (can we agree on just one name?) correctly interprets Islamic texts to justify its actions, apparently its members believe they are Islamic, and not only that, but that they are the sole true muslims. And the Wesboro Baptist Church believe that they are the true Christians as do many sects of Christianity. The overall theme in this play is that you get to justify your reason to act like a brutal selfish asshole by claiming God wants you to act this way. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/8 "2015-11-19T15:01:05Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > And the Wesboro Baptist Church believe that they are the true Christians as do many sects of Christianity. The overall theme in this play is that you get to justify your reason to act like a brutal selfish asshole by claiming God wants you to act this way. It’s almost like people are horrible sometimes, and will use whatever ideology is most convenient to justify it. Funny, that. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/9 "2015-11-19T15:10:03Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Agreed. Whether or not ISIS/ISIL/Daesh (can we agree on just one name?) correctly interprets Islamic texts to justify its actions, apparently its members believe they are Islamic, and not only that, but that they are the sole true muslims. People think all kinds of crazy shit. Thinking doesn’t make it so. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/10 "2015-11-19T16:09:44Z")
Does it matter what we label them so long as they consider themselves Islamic? I don’t know, I’m really asking. Sometimes I think it does, sometimes it doesn’t. Depends on the situation I guess ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/11 "2015-11-19T18:52:48Z")
By all means, OP, feel free to provide a comprehensive definition of what a “real” Muslim is. This is the same stupid argument we have every time a Christian does something awful and immoral and evil and other Christians say, “Oh, they’re not a _real_ Christian”. My grandmother is probably the most obnoxious case of this; in response to Christians doing such awful, unchristian things as making life hard for gay people and directly quoting from the old testament, she refers to them as “not true christians”. I just want to reach through my screen, shake her, and say, “Grandma, you do _not_ get to call someone not a true Christian just because they aren’t as big of a hypocrite as you and actually read their damn holy book (rather than the Cliff’s Notes version I learned as a 6-year-old)”. ISIS is Islamic. It’s right in the freakin’ name, guys. They are firmly and radically dedicated to a particular strain of violent, backwards-ass Islam, birthed directly from scholars interpreting the Qur’an. Whether their interpretation is accurate or not has no bearing on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/12 "2015-11-19T18:55:19Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > ISIS is Islamic. It’s right in the freakin’ name, guys. North Korea is democratic! It’s right in the freakin’ name! ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/13 "2015-11-19T19:13:40Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > And the Wesboro Baptist Church believe that they are the true Christians as do many sects of Christianity. The overall theme in this play is that you get to justify your reason to act like a brutal selfish asshole by claiming God wants you to act this way. Which is, by definition, true of any religion. Supernatural bugaloo trumps everything. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/14 "2015-11-19T19:24:21Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > North Korea is democratic! It’s right in the freakin’ name! Right, except that “democratic” is a term with a generally-agreed-upon definition, not a vague mish-mash of beliefs to be held to varying degrees of seriousness. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/15 "2015-11-20T01:22:11Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > They are brutal murderers, and have to keep it up to maintain their cult of awe, similar to the ancient Aztecs I suppose but without the excuse of antiquity. The Aztecs believed the sun would die unless sustained with blood sacrifice. Pretty metal cosmology. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/16 "2015-11-20T04:11:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I don’t think people who believe divorce is not a sin are Christian. I think that would make them sinners or perhaps just misguided according to my understanding of the religion. They would still be Christians IMHO. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I don’t care if your uncle was a Scotsman and he took sugar in his porridge. No true Scotsman would take sugar in his porridge. > [@](#): > > Saying ISIS isn’t Muslim or “Islamic” is like insisting that the Crusaders weren’t “Christians” or that the Irgun terrorists who blew up the King David hotel and slaughtered 250 Arab civilians at Dir Yassin weren’t “Jews”. Putting sugar in porridge or not is one thing. Running around beheading everyone is altogether different, and I think that gives us grounds for making some distinctions. I think that and other actions give me the right to _Declare_: ISIS is formally not Islamic. Of course I am ready for this line of argument. Look again at the OP. I posted the formula by which it can be discerned that a group is not following the god they claim. It reads like an almost perfect description of ISIS, no? And who is their god? It isn’t YHWH/Allah (same thing), it is “their strength”. I am no Islam expert but I know enough to understand that isn’t what it is about. Muhammed is not the only Prophet to have walked this Earth. By Habakkuk, ISIS is not Islamic! > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > By all means, OP, feel free to provide a comprehensive definition of what a “real” Muslim is. I confess you got me there. I can’t do it. However, the Muslims I know are certainly nothing whatsoever like ISIS. They almost all seem to have young children, seem focused and sober, they seem modest to the point of recessive but that could be because I am an infidel interacting with them, no offense. I have never known a criminal Muslim, or even a punk-ass one (though that could be because I don’t travel enough). In college I knew a rather vehement, stern Muslim guy, but to me it appeared fully justified by how disciplined he seemed, how fluent and extensively articulate he was about his beliefs. For all his stern vehemence he was still polite, gracious even, in answering my moronic 20-something questions. You’d want your kid to turn out like one of these people- polite, sharp, sober. Maybe you wouldn’t want your adult self to turn out like one since they don’t drink or seem to have fun in a variety of ways, even harmless ones, but I recognize the respectability of a not-frivolous life. The thought that any of these people would strap a bomb to their body and blow themselves up at the goddamn Sbarro is beyond absurdly unthinkable. If their plan is to chop my head off, they will certainly have the element of surprise on their side. I think it is equally likely they will turn into zombies and eat my brain. But my point isn’t to define “Muslim”. It is to point out that ISIS ain’t it, see my response to **Ibn Warraq** > [@YogSosoth](#): > > Does it matter what we label them so long as they consider themselves Islamic? I don’t know, I’m really asking. Sometimes I think it does, sometimes it doesn’t. Depends on the situation I guess Okay, let’s look at it from my personal perspective. ISIS’ run of terroristic acts has tempted me to be critical of Islam generally, or to be angry with it. But this creates a lot of cognitive dissonance. Consider this reply: > [@MEBuckner](#): > > ISIS is not the _only_ thing that’s Islamic. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims; the vast, vast majority of them are not running around turning non-Muslim women into sex slaves and burning people alive and the rest of it. (If all the world’s Muslims were like ISIS, we would all be in deep, \*deep/i] shit. Way deeper even than we all already are.) > > ISIS is the most depraved, fanatical, batshit crazy, evil, and utterly contempible fringe of Islam. They make the Khomeinists in Iran look sane, reasonable, and respectful of the rights of women and religious minorities. Hell, they make the _Saudis_ look good. Even motherfucking _ **al Qaeda** _ seems to think ISIS has gone too damned far. I have no doubt that an increasingly overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims are shocked and disgusted by ISIS and in general heartily sick of their shit. Clearly there are two categories here- ISIS and the rest of Islam. If we say ISIS is Islamic, in a sense we shrink things down to one category, and the whole thing becomes a target of ire. That isn’t right and that isn’t fair. So maybe I am simply resolving my own mental conflict by labeling ISIS as not-Islamic, and recommending that other people give it a whirl. OTOH I am not kidding around here. ISIS is objectively not Islamic. See my response to **Ibn Warraq**. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Agreed. Whether or not ISIS/ISIL/Daesh (can we agree on just one name?) correctly interprets Islamic texts to justify its actions, apparently its members believe they are Islamic, and not only that, but that they are the sole true muslims. If they believe they are Islamic, they are mistaken. See my response to **Ibn Warraq**. > [@](#): > > ISIS is Islamic. It’s right in the freakin’ name, guys. They are firmly and radically dedicated to a particular strain of violent, backwards-ass Islam, birthed directly from scholars interpreting the Qur’an. Whether their interpretation is accurate or not has no bearing on the matter. You are incorrect, sir. ISIS is not Islamic. If you want to pick out individual members and say about them, “at one time they were a Muslim”, I can accept that. Or, “this one is just a victim caught up in the storm,” sure. But overall? Sorry, no. _ **NO!** _ > [@Ramira](#): > > Yes, I will not practice backwards takfir on these takfiris. > > To say that much of their ideology is “unislamic” is a counter-propaganda short-hand for saying that it is bida3 (hateful innovation) and outside of the traditional zones of consensus. > > but yes, the short-hand propaganda is not correct. I understand why it is said, naunced propaganda is not very effective mostly. > [@](#): > > An ill-founded takfir accusation is a major haram. (had to look up takfir, frankly) All right, noted that all of you, plus **Ramira** , do not agree with me. If anyone has suggestions re: how to argue with **Ramira** about Islam :eek:, I’m all ears. _Ahem_. **Ramira** : You know in your heart that ISIS is not Islamic. Listen to your feelings. **Ramira** , do you mind telling me your thoughts on the Habukkuk quotes I posted? There really does seem to be a point at which it is obvious that a group is motivated by something other than religious zeal, but find it useful to cloak themselves in religious trappings. I really am thoroughly convinced that this is the case with ISIS, that they are, simply put, not Islamic. They just aren’t. > [@marshmallow](#): > > The Aztecs believed the sun would die unless sustained with blood sacrifice. Pretty metal cosmology. Wow. I did not know that. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/17 "2015-11-20T06:09:26Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I confess you got me there. I can’t do it. However, the Muslims I know are certainly nothing whatsoever like ISIS. They almost all seem to have young children, seem focused and sober, they seem modest to the point of recessive but that could be because I am an infidel interacting with them, no offense. I have never known a criminal Muslim, or even a punk-ass one (though that could be because I don’t travel enough). In college I knew a rather vehement, stern Muslim guy, but to me it appeared fully justified by how disciplined he seemed, how fluent and extensively articulate he was about his beliefs. For all his stern vehemence he was still polite, gracious even, in answering my moronic 20-something questions. The Christians I know are nothing like the Klu Klux Klan or the Crusaders. This is completely irrelevant. They held firmly to an extremist position within their religion. They believe in Allah. They hold up Mohammed as their prophet. They actively practice Islam. _They are Muslims_. The fact that this is distasteful for other Muslims is neither here nor there. The fact that other Muslims are not like them is completely irrelevant as well. > [@](#): > > But my point isn’t to define “Muslim”. Of course not. Because the most obvious, reasonably broad definition would involve believing in Allah as the one, true god, believing that Mohammed was his prophet, and observing the five pillars. Things ISIS does. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/18 "2015-11-20T07:59:16Z")
ISIS is Islamic. Fine. I’m okay with that. So riddle me this… I live near Philadelphia. There are some [200,000 Muslims in Philadelphia](http://weeklypress.com/islam-in-the-city-of-brotherly-love-p531-97.htm). If all of them moved and started their own city, it would become the 117th biggest city in the country, a shade larger than Shreveport, LA. Philadelphia, like a lot of big cities, has a violent crime rate higher than that of the country as a whole. The rate has gone down but it’s still a lot more dangerous than average to live here. So, those who are intent to make a big issue out of ISIS being Islamic, I ask: Where are all the attacks here? How come my wife rides the subway and doesn’t worry about being blown up? How come my block of unguarded rowhouses remains standing? How come the city isn’t reduced to rubble from the attacks? 200,000 Muslims. In my city. Yet, no terrorist acts here. How come? Are the 200,000 Muslims in Philadelphia not really Islamic? Are they apostates for not making jihad at the Rocky Statue and destroying the Liberty Bell and all the other historical artifacts here? Since you folks quoting from the Koran and pointing fingers seem to know true Islam, why is Philadelphia not a warzone? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/19 "2015-11-20T08:10:27Z")
Because its always Sunni in Philadelphia? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2015, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967/20 "2015-11-20T08:19:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Because its always Sunni in Philadelphia? You’re a funny fucker elucidator! Between you and Vinyl Turnip, I’m starting to think this joint is a comedy site. 😛 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-believe-isis-is-islamic/737967.md?page=2)