# I Don't Get and Am Sick of Trans-Stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519 "2016-08-12T02:10:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/382 "2016-08-25T14:04:26Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > I’d say he’s a supporter of the LGB community. There is a profound difference between that and being a supporter of the T community. The word “transgender” doesn’t appear once on his resume - it’s all “gay and lesbian.” So I can hardly be surprised that he’s digging in his feet against a simple word. > > Honestly, what made you look at that page and think he’s got any experience or qualifications in transgender studies? Maybe the fact that [he taught a class in it](http://web-app.usc.edu/ws/soc_archive/soc/term-20143/course/swms-355/) a few years ago. But really, I know nothing more about the guy. It just seems highly unlikely from his CV that he’s the kind of “bigot” or “asshole” that **Miller** automatically claims he must be. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/383 "2016-08-25T14:24:53Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Maybe the fact that [he taught a class in it](http://web-app.usc.edu/ws/soc_archive/soc/term-20143/course/swms-355/) a few years ago. When I was in high school, in Biology II, we went through a long section on evolution. Right at the end, the teacher (who had done a good job with the material, I thought) announced that he was actually a young earth creationist. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/384 "2016-08-25T14:28:05Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] it wasn’t a case of me going, “They’re assholes because they disagree with me on this specific issue!” [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wolfpup, quoting the above] It’s always a good idea to judge someone’s entire life worth on whether or not one agrees with them on the lexicography of a particular word. [/QUOTE] Good. Good work. This is smart conversation; worth having. I wonder what Christopher Freeman, renowned expert on what words mean when people say them, would have to say to his acolyte. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/385 "2016-08-25T14:48:01Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > I don’t know if hypocrisy is the right word here. But this is because I think part of the goal of the language policing and additional terms to describe hetero males/females born in the bodies they identify with as cisgendered is to wipe away the distinctions people place on trans women and men vs natural born women and men. > > MAKE SURE TO USE THE RIGHT GENDER TERM (you can hear the rage when they demand the correction). Why the furor? I don’t think the terminology is all people are after. I think the end goal is more broad than that, I think the end goal is to get more and more of society to consider trans women as functionally and socially identical to natural born women. It started with the replacement of sex with gender (a mental state), and once that becomes embedded, people are what they say they are, and if you want to remain a good and upstanding member of society, you WILL consider them what they say they are too. Or else. > > Or else what? > > bigot/transphobic/hate filled cretin not worth any respect > > We see it all on display in this thread. I started typing out a post in which I said that what you are saying is complete hogwash. Then I reconsidered. It’s only 99% hogwash. It’s mainly hogwash because (a) there is no thought police, and there is no gender police, and (b) people who are struggling every day for basic rights like not getting killed aren’t going to waste their time with the kind of elaborate and lengthy secret conspiracies you’re talking about, and (c) the best analogy I can think of is interracial relationships. It used to be accepted that interracial relationships were horrifyingly bad. Then things changed. Now, not only are interracial relationships entirely OK for most of society, someone who claims that interracial relationships are bad would be (rightfully) piled onto as a bigot. But you know what? Someone who says “hey, I strongly support the right of people who wish to be in interracial relationships, but I personally just don’t find people of certain races physically attractive, for whatever reason” isn’t really going to be more than blinked at. And the difference between the races is trivial compared to the differences between a ciswoman and a transwoman. All of that said, sure, I think it’s at least possible that in a few decades it will be frowned on, possibly very strongly frowned on, to differentiate between trans- and cis- in dating. And it’s also possible that it will be frowned on to eat meat. Who knows? Society changes. But things like that never get frowned on because a tiny fringe of liberal arts professors and social justice warriors shriek about things in whatever fashion you are imagining, they change because a majority of the populace changes. Is it possible society will change so drastically in its opinion of transfolk that even romantic preference for cis over trans would be viewed as unacceptable bigotry? Not any time soon, and not due to some secret conspiracy that you alone have recognized and are standing up against, but… maybe? In 50 years? And if it does, well, that’s probably a good thing on the whole. But it still has nothing to do with whether or not “cisgender” is a slur. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/386 "2016-08-25T14:57:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Thank you for at least acknowledging the fact that this particular argument does not have an easy resolution. > > The difference is you can go to any dictionary or online source of the English language and see that “tranny” is derogatory or offensive. The same cannot be said for “ladyboy” Which makes it easier to argue that “tranny” is offensive than it is to argue that “ladyboy” is offensive. But if I really wanted to know whether “ladyboy” was offensive, I would do a few things. Sure I’d look it up in a dictionary. But I’d also google, and find discussions like [this one on reddit, in which there’s basically 100% consensus that it’s offensive (along with a discussion of Thailand being an exception)](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/29uqr9/is_it_considered_offensive_to_refer_to_a/), and I’d ask experts, such as **Una Persson**. Although I haven’t done more than casual research into the question (because it’s not like I was about to start referring to people as “ladyboy” for some reason), the evidence, to me, is coming down strongly on the side of “offensive”. One other bit of circumstantial evidence: The term just _sounds_ offensive. “Boy” implies child, small, weak; and of course also has its obsolete racial usage. And “lady”, while not inherently offensive, is definitely a loaded term. Add that to the fact that there tend to be far more insulting terms than non-insulting terms for members of oppressed minorities (think about it… there are WAY more insulting terms for black people than non-insulting), and my evidence-coming-down-strongly approaches a near certainty. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/387 "2016-08-25T15:02:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > YLet’s look at one instance of an individual that **Miller** wouldn’t piss on if he was on fire: Chris Freeman, Ph.D. in English and gender studies and professor of both at USC. I have no personal knowledge of Freeman but his [faculty profile and CV](https://dornsife.usc.edu/cf/faculty-and-staff/faculty.cfm?pid=1010317) shows him to have been a long-time staunch supporter of the LGBT community – editing books, presenting at conferences, and moderating talks and film presentations on LGBT history, challenges, and issues. One can hardly imagine a more dedicated ally for those seeking LGBT rights, and with a background in English and gender studies, he seems particularly well qualified to be an impartial and sympathetic observer of the pertinent language of the community. And this is what he says: > “For me, ‘cis’ reifies something that is mostly a fiction,” University of Southern California gender studies professor Chris Freeman, Ph.D. (pictured, left) tells The Advocate. “It creates — or re-creates — a gender binary, which is exactly what many scholars and activists have been fighting against for decades.” > > “To me, ‘cisgender’ is a clunky, unhelpful, and maybe even regressive term,” Freeman concludes. “It does not move the gender conversation forward in a constructive way. Or in a productive way.” > [http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2015/07/31/true-meaning-word-cisgender](http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2015/07/31/true-meaning-word-cisgender) Maybe I’m being a bit pedantic here, but there’s a huge difference between what he’s saying and what you are saying. He’s saying that the word is problematic because it perpetuates a false dichotomy. You’re saying that it’s an insulting slur. Those are not even remotely the same. He is not agreeing with you that you should be insulted when someone calls you cisgender, that it’s an insult. He’s saying that you should gently correct them because their language is not sufficiently advanced as to cover the full spectrum of human sexuality and identity, or what have you. (Assuming I’m reading that paragraph correctly.) (And, for the record, I don’t agree with his point, but it’s also silly to claim that his point is evidence on your side of the is-cisgender-a-slur argument.) It’s like conservatives who argue that we should get rid of Obamacare by pointing out what a large percentage of the population isn’t happy with it, when of course large bunches of those people aren’t happy with it because it doesn’t go far enough. They’re not really on your side. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/388 "2016-08-25T15:03:39Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > When I was in high school, in Biology II, we went through a long section on evolution. Right at the end, the teacher (who had done a good job with the material, I thought) announced that he was actually a young earth creationist. This is university, not high school where a subject might be taught by rote. At this level professors generally have a lot of flexibility in creating a course syllabus that matches their research interests, [as Freeman apparently did](http://web-app.usc.edu/soc/syllabus/20143/34935.doc). But again, I know nothing more about the guy than what I’ve found on the Internet. I just find it remarkable that arguments are now being advanced here suggesting that he might be an asshole just to fit **Miller** ’s preconceived prejudice. Maybe he is. But the salient point is that all the evidence indicates otherwise. It suggests that he seems to be a fighter for LGBT rights and equality, and that **Miller** ’s criteria for judging an asshole – like their approach to language – are prejudiced bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/389 "2016-08-25T15:22:26Z")
He said literally the opposite about his criteria for judging an asshole. Actually literally literally. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/390 "2016-08-25T17:08:57Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Maybe the fact that [he taught a class in it](http://web-app.usc.edu/ws/soc_archive/soc/term-20143/course/swms-355/) a few years ago. I’m unconvinced, given that I’ve been exposed to classes taught by humanities professors which completely missed the mark. One would think if he had any special Q&E on the subject it would be listed on his resume; I don’t see a single thing there. However, I understand your point. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/391 "2016-08-25T19:43:39Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Also - and I suppose this wasn’t clear in my original post - the point I was trying to get across is that the asshole designation usually comes _before_ someone reveals themselves to be an idiot on trans stuff. **wolfpup** , I’d written you off as a hopeless moron and unrepentant hypocrite based on your antics in the thread about the word “literally.” Similarly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a post from **manson** that didn’t leave me genuinely wondering how he manages to get food in his mouth without stabbing himself in the eye with the fork. So when these two wunderkind showed up in this thread, it wasn’t a case of me going, “They’re assholes because they disagree with me on this specific issue!” It’s was more, “I wonder what these assholes have to say on the issue? Yep, that’s about par for the course for these useless fucks.” Sure. And I wonder “What will hypocritical dickhead Miller think about this issue?” And yep, it was about par for the course. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/392 "2016-08-25T19:48:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And we still haven’t resolved how or why, according to your criteria, Chris Freeman must be an unmitigated asshole. Because, you know, how someone thinks a particular word should be used tells you absolutely everything you need to know about them. I bet if Chris Freeman joined this message board and started posting, Miller would first see what the other members of the board who are gay, bisexual, or transgender thought first. THEN he would pick whatever side that was, and argue ignorantly and irrationally for it, as a way of “proving” how Pro-whatever he is :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/393 "2016-08-25T19:59:25Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > I already effectively answered this question. Didn’t I even give my example from actually being in Thailand and actually working with the transgender community there? > > Your problem is you’re trying to get others here to defend one person’s statement, that ladyboy is, as you keep putting it, “INHERENTLY” offensive. Even I said that it was NOT such depending upon the geography and culture one was in. In Mexico calling someone a “muxe” can be offensive if you live outside of Oaxaca. In Hawaii calling someone “mahu” used to be entirely neutral or recognizing of a specific culture. However, years of use as a slur outside the community have made its use problematic (note my choice of word very carefully) and some no longer appreciate the word. “Hijra” can be offensive to a Indian transgender person who does not identify specifically with that third gender community - I’ve heard from them directly, in-country. Yet to outside eyes, the two are often lumped together. > > Your problem really seems to be with Miller’s statement, which I think was just not put into context. Fair enough. In case you think otherwise, I am not arguing for the right to call someone a “ladyboy” I’m trying to understand how a word like “ladyboy” can be offensive simply because a few posters SAY its offensive, while at the same time, “cisgender” is NOT offensive even though a few posters SAY its offensive. It actually has nothing to do with transgender people at all. And yes, I recognize that there exists words across the world that are offensive to the people there. However, my question, as you somewhat pointed out, is “Would Miller warn somebody for calling another person a ‘muxe’ on this message board?” The only way I would know that “muxe” is offensive is the fact the YOU said so, just now. Does that make it offensive? And as a serious question (no sarcasm), what kind of outreach did you do for the transgender women in Bangkok? Did you just give them money? Find them jobs? I’m not sure what an American going to Thailand to help prostitutes can do besides give them money. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/394 "2016-08-25T21:19:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m trying to understand how a word like “ladyboy” can be offensive simply because a few posters SAY its offensive, while at the same time, “cisgender” is NOT offensive even though a few posters SAY its offensive. It actually has nothing to do with transgender people at all. Are you asking specifically about these two words? Or are you asking a more theoretical question about how one determines offensiveness of words? Or both? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/395 "2016-08-25T21:43:06Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > And as a serious question (no sarcasm), what kind of outreach did you do for the transgender women in Bangkok? Did you just give them money? Find them jobs? I’m not sure what an American going to Thailand to help prostitutes can do besides give them money. I met with transgender prostitutes. I also met with transgender shop girls, transgender beauticians, transgender hotel staff, and transgender consulting engineers. I interviewed them and spoke to them about their lives, asked them what resources were available, asked about their histories, etc. The transgender prostitutes I gave money so they wouldn’t have to work that night I was interviewing them. Outreach means that I went there to learn and to discuss cultural issues. I’m under no illusions that I can create a sea change in the lives of the sex workers there. But what I learned perhaps has helped me work better with the US transgender prostitutes who I have done outreach to here at home. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/396 "2016-08-25T22:38:06Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure. And I wonder “What will hypocritical dickhead Miller think about this issue?” And yep, it was about par for the course. Oh, please. The only thing you wondered while reading that was, “How does he know about the fork?” ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/397 "2016-08-25T22:57:04Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Bullshit again. Giving recognition to the gender of transgender persons as a form of simple and common decency has been a “thing” since, oh, the 1950’s or so. The only person being shrill here is you, a poster who came out of the woodwork on this issue, alleging to be a gay man who is going to plant his feet against the “gender nazi(s).” > > You’d bleat like no one’s business if someone refused to acknowledge your sexual preference or refused to recognize SS relationships, because it violated their standards of what they considered a valid relationship to be. > You cannot be serious. Taking you at face value, you’re another member of the “LGB” community who is incredibly ignorant of the rest of the of the incredibly diverse and rich community. If someone says they prefer to be called a he or she, I’d honor that out of a sense of courtesy. What I WON’T do, which is what the strict policing of the proper pronouns seeks to do in my opinion, is actually view them as the same as a natural born man or woman. And that last is not limited to me, it spans almost the entire sum total of humanity. The primary difference between me and most others in this thread, is I’m explicit about that. I am not hiding my true views from sight like others have. As for being ignorant of the general lgbt community, guilty. I’m just a gay guy, not a lesbian, not a trans person, just gay. I get the strategy of lumping us all into a larger amalgamation to increase the power of disparate groups, but I don’t really think my experience overlaps much with a trans person at all. I have no conception about what it’s like to feel like I was born into the wrong body. I’m quite comfortable in my own skin. And aside from a smattering of asexual people, the bulk of humanity understands EXACTLY what it’s like to be attracted to men or women or both. Attraction is one of those built in characteristics almost all of us share, even if the targets are of attraction vary based on the individual. Transgender is not that, it’s some next level shit. We are talking about people that LITERALLY feel they were born into the wrong bodies, that they have the mind and persona of a male or female, but are trapped in opposite sex bodies. How the hell is that related to being gay or lesbian? Because some people used to look down on and discriminate against gays like many still do against trans people? Ok fine, we can work to minimize discrimination in public, but in the private world, where personal preferences reign supreme, it’s going to be a harder road. I am not going to sit here and LIE to you like some others and pretend that just because I call a trans women “she” I think of her as the same thing, moreso when it comes to trans men. As a gay guy I am not looking to date / be with a trans man, the target is an actual guy that was born that way, not a transplant. Someone above said I was too obsessed with dating, but this is not about just me, this is a larger phenomenon that extends far beyond me, it extends to the core FUTILITY of the project of trying to use language policing to wipe away any and all perceptual differences between trans men and women with the natural born varieties. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/398 "2016-08-25T23:24:14Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > What I WON’T do, which is what the strict policing of the proper pronouns seeks to do in my opinion, is actually view them as the same as a natural born man or woman. And that last is not limited to me, it spans almost the entire sum total of humanity. The primary difference between me and most others in this thread, is I’m explicit about that. I am not hiding my true views from sight like others have. Fine. You don’t think of transgendered people as being identical to cis folks. I hate to cissplain, or cisquestion, or cisdiscuss, but… so what? What are you going to do with that feeling? It stops you from wanting to date transmen? As already discussed, my strong suspicion is that no one objects to that. But does it affect how you interact with them in other ways? Would you refuse to hire them? Not want them to teach or provide daycare for your children? React with violence or slurs if a transman hits on you? I think (and again, disclaiming that I’m personally not trans, and not an expert on this topic) that you are conflating two positions: (a) it would be nice if, deep in your heart of hearts, you thought of transmen as “real” men and transwomen as “real” women, in all but the very rare situations where their birth gender actually matters (b) it’s a crucial matter of fundamental civil rights and human decency that you support full legal rights for trans people Don’t confuse the level of importance that people place on (a) and (b). ---
**Author:** ![aliensshow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@aliensshow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aliensshow)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/399 "2016-08-25T23:58:14Z")
LOfuckingL > **[The Target boycott is costing more than anyone expected](https://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/24/the-target-boycott-is-costing-more-than-anyone-expected/21458737/)** > > Target's traffic is declining for the first time in years, and the company is spending $20 million on new bathrooms to appease critics of its new policy. Like I’ve said (hundreds of times), listen to SJW idiots and watch your commercial prospects plummet. ---
**Author:** ![aliensshow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@aliensshow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aliensshow)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/400 "2016-08-25T23:59:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Fair enough. In case you think otherwise, I am not arguing for the right to call someone a “ladyboy” > > I’m trying to understand how a word like “ladyboy” can be offensive simply because a few posters SAY its offensive, while at the same time, “cisgender” is NOT offensive even though a few posters SAY its offensive. Because only liberals get to say what’s “offensive.” Where have you been? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2016, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/401 "2016-08-26T01:35:47Z")
> [@aliensshow](#): > > LOfuckingL > > [The Target boycott is costing more than anyone expected](http://www.aol.com/article/2016/08/24/the-target-boycott-is-costing-more-than-anyone-expected/21458737/) > > Like I’ve said (hundreds of times), listen to SJW idiots and watch your commercial prospects plummet. Amazing how you have proven cause and effect there…oh wait, you didn’t. My company’s stock increased by about 29% the year they added gender identity and gender expression to their policies and procedures manual. And guess what, it wasn’t due to the change either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519.md?page=21)