# I Don't Get and Am Sick of Trans-Stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519 "2016-08-12T02:10:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/502 "2016-09-01T22:58:19Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I have not see a warning for it, no. If, in fact, no warning would be issued for calling someone a ladyboy, then I don’t have a problem with being called cisgender. Now I’m baffled. What precisely is your motivation for the entire lengthy line of debate you and I had? You don’t actually object to the term “cisgender”, and you don’t actually want to use the term “ladyboy”, and you don’t even think that the board mods were judging them differently, but you’re outraged, OUTRAGED, at the idea that it might have been the case that whatever standards the mods used for juding which words counted as slurs – and you didn’t even know what those standards were – might not have been absolutely objective and rigorous? Or what? I’m lost. Can you even acknowlege the possibility of there being two different words for two different groups, and in both cases some number of the people in the group claim that they dislike the term, but there are sufficient other contextual differences between the two situations that a reasonable person comes to the conclusion that one of the words is a slur and the other is not? Without that person being a hypocrite? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/503 "2016-09-06T14:38:49Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > It is going to be based on context. If ladyboy is used with the intention of being insulting, it is liable to get a Warning. Regardless of how it appears in Thailand, (where it is simply a poor transliteration of a Thai word for people who might not consider it insulting), it is not a common word in North America where beliefs regarding the sex trade in Thailand along with the implication that the person is seeking homosexual activity, possibly as a prostitute, would render it insulting when directed at a person who was not, indeed, seeking such activity. > If used in some other context in which it does not carry that baggage, ladyboy will probably be ignored. > > Cisgender carries none of those implications and, while one may ask that other posters refrain from using the word cisgender when referring to you, it is claerly a neutral word that is not going to invoke a Mod Note or Warning. Thank you for the answer. So as best as I can understand it, a word, that while not insulting in other countries, SEEMS to be insulting in North America, would draw a warning. Similarly, I’ve seen words, that while not insulting or even used in North America, the fact that one or two posters say that it is offensive in other countries, so that would ALSO draw a warning. And finally, there does not seem to be any words that someone could call a straight, white, cisgender male that would draw a moderator note or warning. That about sum it up? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/504 "2016-09-06T14:43:22Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Now I’m baffled. What precisely is your motivation for the entire lengthy line of debate you and I had? My motivation is something interesting to discuss while I am at work. > [@](#): > > You don’t actually object to the term “cisgender”, and you don’t actually want to use the term “ladyboy”, and you don’t even think that the board mods were judging them differently, but you’re outraged, OUTRAGED, at the idea that it might have been the case that whatever standards the mods used for juding which words counted as slurs – and you didn’t even know what those standards were – might not have been absolutely objective and rigorous? Or what? I’m lost. I doubt that I ever implied that I was OUTRAGED about it. I was just curious on the differences between levels of offense of words that have no basis for offense other than “someone on a message board said one time” > [@](#): > > Can you even acknowlege the possibility of there being two different words for two different groups, and in both cases some number of the people in the group claim that they dislike the term, but there are sufficient other contextual differences between the two situations that a reasonable person comes to the conclusion that one of the words is a slur and the other is not? Without that person being a hypocrite? No, I cannot. Not in this instance, no. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/505 "2016-09-06T19:36:11Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > And finally, there does not seem to be any words that someone could call a straight, white, cisgender male that would draw a moderator note or warning. I don’t remember if it was this board or another forum, but I have in fact seen people warned/disciplined for using the term “cracker” to refer to whites in an insulting manner. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/506 "2016-09-06T19:46:54Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t remember if it was this board or another forum, but I have in fact seen people warned/disciplined for using the term “cracker” to refer to whites in an insulting manner. Just like all words, it depends on context. If a Client sees their dog and says “Fuck Yeah!”, I will not consider that to be hostile language, even if the word is on the verboten list. If someone came in and said, “Fuck You!”, I would have a different reaction, and that client would no longer be allowed in my establishment. Same word, different context. I am not sure exactly what is hard to fathom about that. (eta:not meant towards you, broomstick, but to others who are having difficulty with the concept.) ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/507 "2016-09-06T19:50:35Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t remember if it was this board or another forum, but I have in fact seen people warned/disciplined for using the term “cracker” to refer to whites in an insulting manner. People have also been disciplined for “white trash” and “trailer trash”. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/508 "2016-09-06T19:58:34Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t remember if it was this board or another forum, but I have in fact seen people warned/disciplined for using the term “cracker” to refer to whites in an insulting manner. Prove it, you dirty cisgender person. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/509 "2016-09-06T19:59:45Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > People have also been disciplined for “white trash” and “trailer trash”. Links? I find it hard to believe that “trailer trash” would garner a warning. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/510 "2016-09-06T20:00:50Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Just like all words, it depends on context. If a Client sees their dog and says “Fuck Yeah!”, I will not consider that to be hostile language, even if the word is on the verboten list. > > If someone came in and said, “Fuck You!”, I would have a different reaction, and that client would no longer be allowed in my establishment. > > Same word, different context. > > I am not sure exactly what is hard to fathom about that. (eta:not meant towards you, broomstick, but to others who are having difficulty with the concept.) In case you didn’t notice while you typed this, “Fuck Yeah” and “Fuck You” are not the same ‘word’ at all. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/511 "2016-09-06T20:34:33Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > In case you didn’t notice while you typed this, “Fuck Yeah” and “Fuck You” are not the same ‘word’ at all. In case you didn’t notice, the word “fuck” is the same in both phrases. The other word in the phrase gives it context, which is the entire fucking point. > [@](#): > > Prove it, you dirty cisgender person. and of course, if you look at context here, removing the cisgendered word, then you have called your opposition a “dirty person”. The word cisgendered has nothing to do with your insult. Do you really not understand context? Or are you just wooshing about? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/512 "2016-09-06T23:51:16Z")
He’s whooshing. > [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t remember if it was this board or another forum, but I have in fact seen people warned/disciplined for using the term “cracker” to refer to whites in an insulting manner. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Prove it, you dirty cisgender person. Hey! I showered this week! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/513 "2016-09-07T02:47:02Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > In case you didn’t notice, the word “fuck” is the same in both phrases. The other word in the phrase gives it context, which is the entire fucking point. I see. So “fuck yes” and “fuck no” would be the same ‘word’ to you then? :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > and of course, if you look at context here, removing the cisgendered word, then you have called your opposition a “dirty person”. The word cisgendered has nothing to do with your insult. But saying “Dirty ladyboy” is somehow different? > [@](#): > > Do you really not understand context? Or are you just wooshing about? I think you are just arguing something that you don’t understand, only that you think you ‘should’ be arguing :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/514 "2016-09-07T02:48:48Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > He’s whooshing. I’m honestly not. Show me a post where someone is warned for calling someone a “redneck” or “white trash” or “trailer trash” Or, say that you don’t think that a white, straight, cisgender male should be offended by anything he may be called. That’s cool too. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/515 "2016-09-07T03:05:12Z")
Look for it yourself. I’m not riffling through, what, 15 years of this forum, and you apparently blew past where I said it might have even been on a _different_ forum because, you know, I’ve been on the internet since the 1990’s and don’t have 100% exact recollection of everything I’ve seen on it for the past 25 years. And you can be offended by anything you want to find offensive. I can also think you’re a hypersensitive whacko for finding some things offensive that I find innocuous, and you can view me the same way. Isn’t freedom of thought wonderful? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/516 "2016-09-07T03:08:41Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That about sum it up? Nope. Your statement does not appear to have any connection to my statement. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/517 "2016-09-07T03:09:16Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Look for it yourself. > > I’m not riffling through, what, 15 years of this forum, and you apparently blew past where I said it might have even been on a _different_ forum because, you know, I’ve been on the internet since the 1990’s and don’t have 100% exact recollection of everything I’ve seen on it for the past 25 years. That’s fine. But I’m not the one who said this: > [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t remember if it was this board or another forum, but I have in fact seen people warned/disciplined for using the term “cracker” to refer to whites in an insulting manner. I read on the Internet one time that you sucked dick on a corner for $5. I’m not riffling through 15 years of Internet posts to find it though :rolleyes: (it’s amazing what people can say they read on the Internet) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/518 "2016-09-07T03:10:36Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Nope. Your statement does not appear to have any connection to my statement. Of course you would say that. You are a mod, you tell me what someone could call a white, straight, cisgender male that would earn a warning in the Pit ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/519 "2016-09-07T03:17:36Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Of course you would say that. You are a mod, you tell me what someone could call a white, straight, cisgender male that would earn a warning in the Pit If aimed at another poster with no evidence that any humor was involved: Cracker; White trash; Honky; Homophobe; a few others. (I see no reason to offer you a list of insults because you cannot imagine any, yourself.) ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/520 "2016-09-07T03:20:54Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > If aimed at another poster with no evidence that any humor was involved: > Cracker; > White trash; > Honky; > Homophobe; > a few others. (I see no reason to offer you a list of insults because you cannot imagine any, yourself.) Really? Someone who called me a “homophobe” would be warned in the Pit? I find that difficult to believe. Next you’ll tell me calling someone a “racist” or a “white supremacist” would garner a warning as well :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/521 "2016-09-07T03:21:23Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > If aimed at another poster with no evidence that any humor was involved: > Cracker; > White trash; > Honky; > Homophobe; > a few others. (I see no reason to offer you a list of insults because you cannot imagine any, yourself.) In the Pit? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519.md?page=27)