# I Don't Get and Am Sick of Trans-Stuff **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519 "2016-08-12T02:10:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/542 "2016-09-08T20:45:18Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > But, relying on one person’s opinion when it comes to whether not somebody would be warned on this message board for calling someone simply a “ladyboy” smacks of appeal to authority. Any other word that is recognized as denigrating, or a slur, or some other term is recognized in the leading dictionaries as “offensive” or “disparaging” Why is this word different? That is the question I have. So the mods can’t necessarily come up with a bright line between words that are offensive and words that are non-offensive, and have to do their best to judge things based on their own experience, the context, etc. So what? How else could it possibly work? I feel like you’re trying to gotcha everyone, like we’re all claiming that we’ve conclusively proved something, and you’re going to prove that we haven’t… but there’s no there there. And yes, one poster once used the word “inherently”. OMG! ---
**Author:** ![toocrazy2yoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@toocrazy2yoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toocrazy2yoo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/543 "2016-09-08T20:46:08Z")
Meanwhile, the good ladies of Feminism, Inc., who quite literally invented all this laugh their azzes off while the men argue with and eviscerate each other, while the ladies build the Matriarchy and plot further decline for men, Black and White and Hispanic alike and more goodies for themselves. Anyone notice the SJW/liberal wings of journalism, Huff-Post, NOW, Planned Parenthood and the rest of the alphabet soup of Feminsm, Inc is a White-Lady’s Wonderland? It’s quite an offensive against men if you examine it. All upper-class, college “educated” WHITE women. Oh, there’s the occasional Asian lady, but very, very few POC and no men, except of course, the token gay/transgender (feminists hate the gay men and transgendered, but they’ll use them, as they will use the races against White men). I did commercial telecom in Washington from 1983-2009, installed and serviced phones in all those PAC offices and while everyone else in Washington was integrating, Feminism, Inc. never did and never has to this day. Wonder when Black and Hispanic women wake up to it? And I wonder when men of all stripes take a look at reality and understand the Patriarchy is toast, we are now ruled by a tyrannical Matriarchy known collectively as Feminism. It’s the truth. And the end of Hillary’s every speech: “Educational, employment opportunity and Social Justice, especially for WOMEN!!!”. This thread is a small yet obvious example of the stuff Feminism, Inc. developed as strategy and just LOOK how the men are at each others’ throats while Feminism steals the last morsels and begrudge the men any tiny scrap. Tell me where I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/544 "2016-09-08T20:49:48Z")
> [@toocrazy2yoo](#): > > Tell me where I’m wrong. You’re not based on reality enough to be wrong. You’re just different. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/545 "2016-09-08T20:51:22Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > So the mods can’t necessarily come up with a bright line between words that are offensive and words that are non-offensive Of course they can. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/546 "2016-09-08T20:57:51Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, considering I did NOT in fact call you a cheap whore Yes, you did. And a mod called you on it. > [@](#): > > And it’s funny that you resort to the time honored tradition of calling someone a bigot based on nothing more than the fact they disagree with you on something. I base it on your recent posts over the past couple weeks. Your own words and statements. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/547 "2016-09-08T21:01:18Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Of course they can. Well, I suppose they could. Here, I’ll do one: “nigger and cunt are off limits, everythign else is fine”. But that’s a ridiculous way to do it, because it just encourages people to find whatever expletive is the most offensive one not currently on the list, and use the list as a get-out-of-jail-free card. But again, who cares? It’s not like we’re discussing the US legal system, where actual people’s lives are affected, and it’s important that the laws be fair and well understood. It’s just some people doing their best to be as fair as possible. Is there imperfect human judgment involved? Might there be cases where one mod would issue a warning and another might not? Sure. Is it even possible that (gasp) mods are influenced in what language they find offensive by their positions on various political and social issues? Sure thing. So? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/548 "2016-09-08T21:03:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > But, relying on one person’s opinion when it comes to whether not somebody would be warned on this message board for calling someone simply a “ladyboy” smacks of appeal to authority. While I agree that relying on a _random_ person’s opinion is pretty much meaningless, when it comes to transgender issues saying Una’s opinion/experience is _just_ an anecdote is a little like saying an explanation of relatively is _just_ Albert Einstein’s or Stephen Hawking’s opinion. The opinion of a true expert should be weighted more heavily than that of a random person. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/549 "2016-09-08T21:12:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes, you did. And a mod called you on it. I agree a mod called me on it. I don’t necessarily agree with the note but arguing with a mod in the Pit is forbidden, and I don’t care enough to start a thread in ATMB > [@](#): > > I base it on your recent posts over the past couple weeks. Your own words and statements. Really? I would be extremely surprised if you can produce a single post not said sarcastically or satirically that would lead a person to believe I am a bigot. Or can’t you be assed to find proof of your own accusations? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/550 "2016-09-08T21:19:24Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Well, I suppose they could. Here, I’ll do one: “nigger and cunt are off limits, everythign else is fine”. But that’s a ridiculous way to do it, because it just encourages people to find whatever expletive is the most offensive one not currently on the list, and use the list as a get-out-of-jail-free card. I don’t think this is a bad thing. What about ‘prick’? Like “That guy is a prick!” > [@](#): > > But again, who cares? It’s not like we’re discussing the US legal system, where actual people’s lives are affected, and it’s important that the laws be fair and well understood. It’s just some people doing their best to be as fair as possible. Is there imperfect human judgment involved? Might there be cases where one mod would issue a warning and another might not? Sure. Is it even possible that (gasp) mods are influenced in what language they find offensive by their positions on various political and social issues? Sure thing. So? So nothing. If someone came out and said that - “I’m a mod, and I’m gonna warn, note, and/or ban people based on my own positions on various political and social issues” I would take that in a second. At least that’s honest and upfront. As I think I stated before, if someone said “You are a white, straight, male, cisgendered person. You don’t have the right to be offended by any words because no words would have years of denigration, oppression, and downright violence associated with them” I would also love to hear that. Again, honesty. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/551 "2016-09-08T21:22:04Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > While I agree that relying on a _random_ person’s opinion is pretty much meaningless, when it comes to transgender issues saying Una’s opinion/experience is _just_ an anecdote is a little like saying an explanation of relatively is _just_ Albert Einstein’s or Stephen Hawking’s opinion. The opinion of a true expert should be weighted more heavily than that of a random person. I don’t want to argue this point really, because assessing and/or weighing her expertise on transgender issues is way beyond the point of my question. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/552 "2016-09-09T00:23:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t think this is a bad thing. What about ‘prick’? Like “That guy is a prick!” I have no idea what you’re saying. Obviously I don’t think that there are only two offensive words in the English language. > [@](#): > > So nothing. If someone came out and said that - “I’m a mod, and I’m gonna warn, note, and/or ban people based on my own positions on various political and social issues” I would take that in a second. At least that’s honest and upfront. > > As I think I stated before, if someone said “You are a white, straight, male, cisgendered person. You don’t have the right to be offended by any words because no words would have years of denigration, oppression, and downright violence associated with them” I would also love to hear that. Again, honesty. So there are things which, if people said them, there are reactions that you would have. Gotcha. But how about if instead of your fever dream fantasy I said something like “epithets directed against majority groups who have traditionally held power are less hurtful, all other things being equal, than epithets directed against minority groups who have traditionally been victimized. But of course it depends on the context”? And of course there’s a difference between “I’m a Democrat, so I’m going to ban Republicans, becauseI can” and “I’m a human being and will do my best to be objective, but I’m not, say, a judge with years of legal training and a richly developed ethics code; so if I fall short of perfect objectivity from time to time it’s not evidence of some underlying conspiracy or whatnot”. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/553 "2016-09-09T00:33:43Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I have no idea what you’re saying. Obviously I don’t think that there are only two offensive words in the English language. I was just throwing another word out there that might be on the “Instant Warning” list. You don’t think so? > [@](#): > > But how about if instead of your fever dream fantasy I said something like “epithets directed against majority groups who have traditionally held power are less hurtful, all other things being equal, than epithets directed against minority groups who have traditionally been victimized. But of course it depends on the context”? This is a wishy-washy non-answer. In what context that you can conceive would someone be warned for calling a white, straight, cisgender male some sort of slur that applied to only white, straight, cisgender males? “Redneck”? “White Trash”? “Trailer Trash”? In some other boards I frequent, people call Americans “Septics” as a derogatory comment. Should that be an automatic warning here at the Dope? ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/554 "2016-09-09T00:44:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I was just throwing another word out there that might be on the “Instant Warning” list. You don’t think so? I don’t think there should be an “instant warning” list. I was mere exploring a hypothetical, and explaining why I am opposed to it. > [@](#): > > This is a wishy-washy non-answer. Then get ready for disappointment, because that’s how life is. What are the precise rules for when it’s acceptable for a straight person to use the word “queer”? Well, I can think of a lot of times when it’s clearly OK, and a lot of times when it’s clearly not, but I can’t precisely defined the boundary. Life is like that. Suck it up. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/555 "2016-09-09T00:48:58Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I don’t think there should be an “instant warning” list. I was mere exploring a hypothetical, and explaining why I am opposed to it. Fair enough, but i’m sure there IS an “instant warning” list. > [@](#): > > Then get ready for disappointment, because that’s how life is. What are the precise rules for when it’s acceptable for a straight person to use the word “queer”? Well, I can think of a lot of times when it’s clearly OK, and a lot of times when it’s clearly not, but I can’t precisely defined the boundary. Life is like that. Suck it up. Are you serious? There are no times that a straight person can call a gay person “queer” Just like there are no times that a white person can call a black person a “nigger” Is this really news to you? Those are clearly defined boundaries. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/556 "2016-09-09T00:50:02Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I don’t want to argue this point really, because assessing and/or weighing her expertise on transgender issues is way beyond the point of my question. She also took the time to explain why at least some people might find it offensive, because it references pre-transition gender status. But, of course, you blasted right past that because it’s not the answer you want to hear. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/557 "2016-09-09T00:53:35Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > She also took the time to explain why at least some people might find it offensive, because it references pre-transition gender status. But, of course, you blasted right past that because it’s not the answer you want to hear. Sorry, but I didn’t “blast right past that” But in the scope of things, she is still only one person. Does she speak for the entire transgender community? Actually, I’m uncomfortable talking about what she thinks with you instead of her, so I’ll drop this. I’m more interested in you providing posts that I made that lead people to believe I’m a bigot. So, why don’t you get on that, or retract your hateful statement. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/558 "2016-09-09T01:12:24Z")
> [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](#): > > I don’t expect the world to give a shit about my particular challenges - challenges which have made me permanently miserable and wishing to be dead - and if others like me were to start waving a flag I’d not march under it. Because it is my shit. > > **And yes I have been persecuted - though obviously not killed - and beaten for it**. I’ve suffered the societal consequences for it. **My Bolding** You need help. Professional help. This level of fulminating rage is something I’m familiar with. You’ve been persecuted and beaten for some reason. Get real help. But don’t shit on people instead of getting help. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/559 "2016-09-09T02:16:48Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Are you serious? There are no times that a straight person can call a gay person “queer” “So, Frank, as a queer activist, what do you think of the recent issues relating to…” etc. You’re WAY out of date if you think “queer” is anywhere near the same category as “nigger”. “Faggot” is probably a little closer, but I might in certainly very clearly informal situations, with someone I really know, teasingly refer to him as a “faggot”, which I don’t think I would do with “nigger”. But, as always, you’re missing the point entirely. There are gray areas! Sometimes the answer is wishy-washy! Get used to it! ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/560 "2016-09-09T02:30:49Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > “So, Frank, as a queer activist, what do you think of the recent issues relating to…” etc. > > You’re WAY out of date if you think “queer” is anywhere near the same category as “nigger”. “Faggot” is probably a little closer, but I might in certainly very clearly informal situations, with someone I really know, teasingly refer to him as a “faggot”, which I don’t think I would do with “nigger”. > > But, as always, you’re missing the point entirely. There are gray areas! Sometimes the answer is wishy-washy! Get used to it! Well, please point out where I said “queer” and “nigger” were in the same category. And I would NEVER say “as a queer activist” And also you are relating YOUR personal experience with calling people “faggots” Why would you think that is teasing? I honestly cannot comprehend that. Maybe we are just on different pages on what is acceptable to call your friends. In my opinion, no matter how may friends may say “You can say ‘faggot’ because I know you” I would never do that. Same with “nigger” or “Jap” or “Paki” or “Towel head” or whatever. I guess we are just on different wavelengths or something. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519/561 "2016-09-09T02:39:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Well, please point out where I said “queer” and “nigger” were in the same category. Just a few posts up, dude. > [@Slash1972](#): > > There are no times that a straight person can call a gay person “queer” **Just like** there are no times that a white person can call a black person a “nigger” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-get-and-am-sick-of-trans-stuff/762519.md?page=29)