# I don't know whether to laugh or cry \[sorority evictions\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2007, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625 "2007-02-25T18:21:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![enigm4tic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@enigm4tic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enigm4tic)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2007, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625/121 "2007-03-04T18:34:13Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Yes, you are right about that. There are a lot of perspectives expressed on this board that I _don’t_ understand. I think that the “I hate my parents”, “I hate my job”, and not incidentally, the “sorority girls are mean” threads are beyond pointless. I do not understand [the purpose of] them. Also, I think that the “Animals are worth more than people”, and the “American soldiers should die in Iraq” threads are repugnant. I do not understand those, either. [/QUOTE] right, but the concepts in your first set of examples and the second set are completely different. Being unable to understand people wishing death of people for pointless reasons or in preference to the death of an animal is quite different than being able to accept the notion that some people hold certain opinions (like enjoying and seeing the positive side of Greek Life). For that matter, it’s different than being able to conceive of or accept that people have different opinions, which I think is what Hippy Hollows was trying to get across. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2007, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625/122 "2007-03-04T19:10:46Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Yes, you are right about that. There are a lot of perspectives expressed on this board that I _don’t_ understand. I think that the “I hate my parents”, “I hate my job”, and not incidentally, the “sorority girls are mean” threads are beyond pointless. I do not understand [the purpose of] them. Also, I think that the “Animals are worth more than people”, and the “American soldiers should die in Iraq” threads are repugnant. I do not understand those, either. [/QUOTE] So when you post in threads that you don’t understand, do you have any idea or concern about how your posts are going to be received? ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625/123 "2007-03-04T19:23:58Z")
Here’s a link to a site that still has the article and where you don’t have to sign up for a subscription. I cut and pasted it from the URL box, and it doesn’t show up in preview for me to test, so I hope it works! 🙂 > **[News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines](https://www.aol.com/news/)** > > Get breaking news and the latest headlines on business, entertainment, politics, world news, tech, sports, videos and much more from AOL ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625/124 "2007-03-13T02:25:31Z")
[Delta Zeta has been kicked off campus.](http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/03/12/troubled.sorority.ap/index.html) Robin ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625/125 "2007-03-13T02:33:12Z")
Thanks for the link, **MsRobyn**. I’ll repeat myself - they made their bed, I wish them all joy of it. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625/126 "2007-03-13T02:49:00Z")
On the one hand, there are benefits to Greek life. A sense of family, leadership training, and so forth. There are people who take it seriously and who learn from their experiences. On the other hand, Greek organizations seem to bring out the worst in some people, namely elitism, and in this case, the attitude that the organization should mean absolutely everything to its members. That said, I can’t believe that the national Delta Zeta office couldn’t have foreseen that they would be hurting their members at DePauw. They promised the sense of belonging, and when non-blond, non-svelte women joined up, they took it back. Essentially, what the national office told these women was, “Well, when we made these promises, we didn’t mean _you_. Now go away.” They’re leaving women who are understandably upset in the lurch, and instead of offering a genuine apology, they’re coming back with a litany of excuses that are pretty sophomoric. If Greeks want to be taken as something more than an elitist group of kids, they need to start by not doing stuff like this. In fact, if I were the head of Delta Zeta, I’d be pretty damned ashamed of myself. It’s a shame Delta Zeta isn’t. Robin ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625/127 "2007-03-13T15:29:22Z")
Here’s the deal with Fraternities and Sororities: Each schools local chapter is given a charter by their National fraternity but they basically take care of their own recruitment, pledgeing, finances and house maintenance. Their commitment to the National headquarters and their bond with other chapers more or less consists of wearing the same letters, paying dues and following the same pledge book (basically a book containing the history of the fraternity and other stuff) and dealing with the occasional hard-core National rep super-lifer. Local chapters, in fact, often resent intrusion into their daily lives by the National. For the most part, chapters generally have a free hand in how they run their house, unless they violate the rules of the National fraternity such as failing to maintain grades or membership levels, commiting some crime, violating national hazing statutes (or in the case of DZ, apparently being fat and/or ugly). Houses can also be kicked off campus by the school for violating campus rules as well. Chapters of the same fraternity can be very different from school to school. My chapter basically was more or less a bunch of well rounded, not particularly evil preppy J Crew clones who liked to party and were involved in a lot of stuff on campus (fairly typical fraternity profile). Other chapters of the same fraternity were 'roid addicted meatheads who took to branding themselves. I understand DZ’s desire to improve the strength of their chapter. My schools DZ chapter had the same exact problem and eventually they couldn’t maintain enough members to keep the house open. Evicting 2/3 the house, however, is completely inapropriate and gives a bad name to Greeks everywhere. They should have either pulled their charter and let them go about their business as a local sorority (not affiliated with a National) or work with them to actively improve the house. The whole house turns over in 3-4 years anyway so eventually the problem takes care of itself. Sororities, in my experience, are very different from fraternities. At my college, fraternity “rush” (the recruitment period) lasts officially 8 weeks but starts unofficially as soon as freshmen start showing up to your parties and meeting your brothers. It is basically 8 weeks of open parties, scheduled social events (paintball, bar-b-qs, whatever) and basically informal hanging out until we figure out if we all like you. Sorority rush consisted of 2 weeks of a rigid, formal, structured program of playing dress-up and meet N’ greets. The girls get dressed up and meet each sorority for like one night. At the end, each submits their top picks like the NBA draft. If your pick matches the sorority, your in. Problem with this method is that you basically have to instantly figure out if you belong in the stereotypical JAP house (Alpha Phi), WASP house (AXO), hippy house (DG), jockette house (Gamma Phi) guidette house (AGD), cute and preppy house (AOPi), nerdette house (Theta) or ugly house (DZ). At least with fraternity rush, you have weeks to figure out if you like being with the jocks, stoners, rich assholes, etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-whether-to-laugh-or-cry-sorority-evictions/393625.md?page=6)