# I don't know why I or anyone else debates economics with WillFarnaby **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 9, 2017, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709 "2017-01-09T09:23:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/1 "2017-01-09T09:23:16Z")
I am also rather shocked that this is only the [second thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=697077&highlight=willfarnaby) explicitly calling him out, and the first where he is the primary target of ire. WillFarnaby, you made a statement earlier today which I couldn’t really respond to outside of the pit - by design, it seems: > [@Paths for Trump on the Economy](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/paths-for-trump-on-the-economy/771857/73): > > I have no delusions as to Krugman’s superiority in his very narrow area of expertise. Unfortunately for him and his apologists, this is not his in his bailiwick. He may have picked up on some stuff as an undergrad, good for him and his apologists. I also will never hold a candle to Krugman on political hackery and abdication of integrity. And while I responded to the [rest of that deluded, misguided rant](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19905938&postcount=73) in that thread, allow me to respond to this part here, where I can do it justice. You, sir, have no fucking integrity. You are a random internet commentator with a hardline libertarian streak that extends so far as to call the government’s investment in the internet (which I recommend you get off of) a disaster on par with smallpox, who is almost never right about anything. You can’t even answer a straight question without changing the subject and getting [three things wrong in two sentences](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19906512&postcount=75). And then you have the balls to take shots at Paul Krugman for “political hackery” and “abdication of integrity”? Your libertarian ideology has utterly and completely blinded you to things like empathy, basic economics, and the ability to answer an honest fucking question. You deserve to be taken as seriously as someone like **D’Anconia** or **OMGaBC** - an ideologically blinkered tool with little regards to issues of fact if they don’t fit into your worldview, with a massively inflated ego, to the degree that you think a world-class economist speaking on his subject of expertise is worth far less than your word as an anonymous douchebag on a message board! The sooner you stop spreading ignorance the easier a job the rest of us will have it. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/2 "2017-01-09T12:44:46Z")
I don’t care about your rant, but I was struck by something else. > [@septimus](#): > > You don’t seem fond of, nor knowledgeable about, Paul Krugman… Followed in the next paragraph by > [@](#): > > I’ve no idea what Krugman actually said… At least he does us the courtesy of acknowledging that he has no idea what he is arguing about. Not that it wasn’t clear anyway, but still. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/3 "2017-01-09T14:17:45Z")
When I saw thread title I figured I’d post something along the lines of “I _ **do** _ want to debate Farnaby. His ideas are so bizarre they’re like some absurdist science fiction. In particular, his view on the relation between government and property rights implies tht he has never ever read a single book on history! Farnaby’s thinking has no real-world significance, but there may be a great film about some post-apocalyptic dystopia buried in his brain, or perhaps some existentialist black-comedy play.” But thanks to OP’s link I see that I already gave my views of **Farnaby** three and a half years ago. 🙂 Especially bizarre is his absurd idea that Paul Krugman knows nothing beyond the narrow area for which he received the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences. Imagine if Farnaby had a simple question about friction or heat transfer and Richard Feynman was in the room. I guess he’d think “Oh, I shan’t ask that guy — he only knows Quantum Electrodynamics!” Even the simplest economics is confusing to Farnaby. He watches the Gold-nut YouTubes but lacks the brainpower to follow a freshman-level text to get the basics. ``` ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ``` Farnaby is _not_, however, the most ignorant “economist” on the Board. :eek: And, to segue into the next segment, a few minutes ago in another Pit thread I compared **Saint Cad** to an average 3rd-grader trying to be funny. Now we turn our attention to someone with the intellect of a below-average 1st-grader, who doesn’t even try to amuse. I’ve never claimed to be an economics scholar. I did, however get an A+ in lower-division Econ at one of the most prestigious Econ schools in the country, and had the Chairman of the Department take me out for a meal and beg me to change my major to economics. I say this so that the **Dipshit** we’re about to review can get a flavor of how puny his knowledge is compared with literate humans. (BTW, I turned down the chairman’s offer: econ involved a lot of tedious math so I stuck with my … math major. :smack: ) **Dipshit** likes to go crying to the Mods when someone answers him frankly outside the Pit so, in self-defense I set him to Ig\_\_\_. For this thread I wasted the extra click to see what gibeerish he’d come up with. > [@Shodan](#): > > … At least he does us the courtesy of acknowledging that he has no idea what he is arguing about. > > Not that it wasn’t clear anyway, but still. > > Regards, > Shodan I admire Paul Krugman. I’ve read _lots_ of his columns and blog items, but not all — he’s mostly “preaching to the converted” with me. 🆒 The snark **Dipshit** is responding to was directed at **Farnaby** ’s refusal to provide a cite. **Farnaby** actually understands a smidgen of economic theory, even though he always draws the wrong conclusions. **Dipshit** doesn’t even grasp the basic definitions. It’s a certain bet he’s never taken a class in economics. In fact, he’s never even clicked on the Wikipedia summary of Macroeconomics — In one post he completely reversed Savings and Investment. :smack: (That’s like confusing alkaline and acid in chemistry.) ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/4 "2017-01-09T15:30:22Z")
Winning the Nobel Prize outside of the hard sciences is meaningless. Barack Obama won a Peace Prize. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/5 "2017-01-09T16:11:43Z")
There’s an actual debate there? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/6 "2017-01-09T16:23:41Z")
Is he on my Ignore list? \ **Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/7 "2017-01-09T16:37:07Z") > [@septimus](#): > > I admire Paul Krugman. I’ve read _lots_ of his columns and blog items, but not all — he’s mostly “preaching to the converted” with me. 🆒 The snark **Dipshit** is responding to was directed at **Farnaby** ’s refusal to provide a cite. So your demand for a cite was for something you didn’t read. Gotcha. > [@](#): > > In fact, he’s never even clicked on the Wikipedia summary of Macroeconomics — In one post he completely reversed Savings and Investment. :smack: (That’s like confusing alkaline and acid in chemistry.) I take it you weren’t a chemistry major either. [Cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_identity). Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/8 "2017-01-10T12:49:43Z")
A real flopperoo you got here, bud. Disappointing. Even **Septimus** can muster a good crack and a half-decent posting style. Of all things to get bent out of shape about, shitting on Paul Krugman. I tested you by throwing out a standard line on welfare economics and voluntary exchanges. You failed. Stick to discussions of policy minutiae where hacks like you belong. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/9 "2017-01-10T14:36:57Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > A real flopperoo you got here, bud. > > Disappointing. Even **Septimus** can muster a good crack and a half-decent posting style. Of all things to get bent out of shape about, shitting on Paul Krugman. Everything else I could and did shove back up your ass in that thread. But you want to make a statement where denying it would be actively flaming you, well, I guess I gotta extend it to the pit to say that you’re just totally wrong, and an arrogant ass to boot. > [@](#): > > I tested you by throwing out a standard line on welfare economics and voluntary exchanges. You failed. Stick to discussions of policy minutiae where hacks like you belong. I’m no expert on economics, but your shit stinks to high heavens, and the stench is that of a hardline libertarian who interprets everything through his bizarrely twisted worldview. I don’t know where I “failed” according to you, but it’s no big surprise that you would think that. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/10 "2017-01-10T15:25:34Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > A real flopperoo you got here, bud. Had the OP posted something about “feces smells bad!” or “most pizza tastes really good!” then he probably would have gotten about the same number of responses. Because basically everyone would think, “No duh! Tell me something I DON’T know!” Arguing economics with you is like arguing with a fortune teller: the fortune teller is of course full of nonsense and believes things that are totally ridiculous, but the fortune teller can also overwhelm the conversation with all sorts of irrelevant details (maybe throwing out how some PhD at such-and-such university did a detailed study of some palm wrinkle blah blah blah), but that doesn’t mean that you have any points worth paying attention to. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/11 "2017-01-10T16:25:17Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Everything else I could and did shove back up your ass in that thread. But you want to make a statement where denying it would be actively flaming you, well, I guess I gotta extend it to the pit to say that you’re just totally wrong, and an arrogant ass to boot. > > I’m no expert on economics, but your shit stinks to high heavens, and the stench is that of a hardline libertarian who interprets everything through his bizarrely twisted worldview. I don’t know where I “failed” according to you, but it’s no big surprise that you would think that. A summary of the thread: You swooped in and said that Krugman was a Nobel Prize winner. Then my claim to Septimus based on a standard welfare economics analysis completely went over your head and had you bizarrely contorting definitions and warbling hosannas for democracy in order to argue that government exchanges are voluntary. > [@Ravenman](#): > > Had the OP posted something about “feces smells bad!” or “most pizza tastes really good!” then he probably would have gotten about the same number of responses. Because basically everyone would think, “No duh! Tell me something I DON’T know!” > > Arguing economics with you is like arguing with a fortune teller: the fortune teller is of course full of nonsense and believes things that are totally ridiculous, but the fortune teller can also overwhelm the conversation with all sorts of irrelevant details (maybe throwing out how some PhD at such-and-such university did a detailed study of some palm wrinkle blah blah blah), but that doesn’t mean that you have any points worth paying attention to. _Looks at your location_ Yep that’s about right. Your livelihood depends on government extortion, I’d expect you to rationalize your life when encountering anti-government arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/12 "2017-01-10T17:45:12Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Had the OP posted something about “feces smells bad!” or “most pizza tastes really good!” then he probably would have gotten about the same number of responses. Because basically everyone would think, “No duh! Tell me something I DON’T know!” > > Arguing economics with you is like arguing with a fortune teller: the fortune teller is of course full of nonsense and believes things that are totally ridiculous, but the fortune teller can also overwhelm the conversation with all sorts of irrelevant details (maybe throwing out how some PhD at such-and-such university did a detailed study of some palm wrinkle blah blah blah), but that doesn’t mean that you have any points worth paying attention to. Oh, and be careful not to remind everyone of Will’s past opinions. (It might be safe here–but I’m not going to risk it again.) He bitched to a Moderator & I got Warned for dredging up his past… ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/13 "2017-01-10T19:02:11Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Then my claim to Septimus based on a standard welfare economics analysis completely went over your head and had you bizarrely contorting definitions and warbling hosannas for democracy in order to argue that government exchanges are voluntary. This is the kind of crap I’ve come to expect. Nobody is claiming that government exchanges are voluntary on an individual level. On a societal level, they absolutely are - if there weren’t a great many people in the USA who wanted, say, health care reform, we wouldn’t have health care reform. But the kinds of morons who want to paint this as slavery, or taxation as theft, fail to understand the concept of “society” altogether. > [@](#): > > _Looks at your location_ > > Yep that’s about right. Your livelihood depends on government extortion, I’d expect you to rationalize your life when encountering anti-government arguments. I stand corrected: _this_ is the kind of crap we’ve all come to expect from you. My god, man, get those paranoid delusions checked out. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/14 "2017-01-10T20:47:43Z")
He’s an anarchist pretending to be a libertarian. His only solution to any problem is “Destroy the government, and the problem goes away.” He doesn’t even have an economic model, just a fantasy that, without government, everything would be peaches and rose petals. What’s really fucking weird is he can propose this kind of “state of nature” and also imagine it would have computers, automobiles, corporations, cities, and other institutions, all without any enforced rule of law. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/15 "2017-01-10T20:48:51Z")
Because you’re tarded? Probably because you’re tarded. No worries scrote. There are plenty of tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was tarded. She’s a pilot now. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/16 "2017-01-10T21:06:12Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > He’s an anarchist pretending to be a libertarian. His only solution to any problem is “Destroy the government, and the problem goes away.” He doesn’t even have an economic model, just a fantasy that, without government, everything would be peaches and rose petals. I’m surprised we’ve gotten a couple posts from him without him chiming in how great Russia is, how the Confederacy was right, or how Lincoln was the worst. American. ever. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/17 "2017-01-10T21:33:28Z")
No! Quit hijacking! 🙂 I thought this thread might be a chance to finally get to the root of **Farnaby** ’s delusions. @ **Will** - Don’t prattle about money or economics — we already know how laughably ignorant you are there. I just want to understand your claim that government usurps property rights when everyone knows just the opposite is true: Government is _necessary_ for property rights. _ **I assume you’ve never ever read a single book on history or anthropology, no?** _ (Third-grade _Intro to World History_ doesn’t count.) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/18 "2017-01-10T21:39:10Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > _ **I assume you’ve never ever read a single book on history or anthropology, no?** _ (Third-grade _Intro to World History_ doesn’t count.) Maoists questioned why anyone would need any book other than a little red one. Cultists questioned why anyone would need any book other than the one by the Leader. **WF** surely questions why anyone would read anything other than the Ludwig von Mises website. All the answers are there, dude! ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/19 "2017-01-10T22:02:12Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Maoists questioned why anyone would need any book other than a little red one. Cultists questioned why anyone would need any book other than the one by the Leader. > > **WF** surely questions why anyone would read anything other than the Ludwig von Mises website. All the answers are there, dude! Surely you mean “Notes on What’s What, and What It Might be Reasonable to do about What’s What” by the Old Raja. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709/20 "2017-01-11T12:49:40Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > This is the kind of crap I’ve come to expect. Nobody is claiming that government exchanges are voluntary on an individual level. On a societal level, they absolutely are - if there weren’t a great many people in the USA who wanted, say, health care reform, we wouldn’t have health care reform. But the kinds of morons who want to paint this as slavery, or taxation as theft, fail to understand the concept of “society” altogether. > > I stand corrected: _this_ is the kind of crap we’ve all come to expect from you. My god, man, get those paranoid delusions checked out. Hey. If he wants to defend an institution that he has considerable personal interest in protecting, he should be prepared to be called out on that basis. Oh, and societies do not act. Individuals act. There is your lesson for today. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Oh, and be careful not to remind everyone of Will’s past opinions. (It might be safe here–but I’m not going to risk it again.) > > He bitched to a Moderator & I got Warned for dredging up his past… I haven’t changed my position on secession. I also haven’t changed my opinion of the Confederacy being an evil institution. > [@Trinopus](#): > > He’s an anarchist pretending to be a libertarian. His only solution to any problem is “Destroy the government, and the problem goes away.” He doesn’t even have an economic model, just a fantasy that, without government, everything would be peaches and rose petals. > > What’s really fucking weird is he can propose this kind of “state of nature” and also imagine it would have computers, automobiles, corporations, cities, and other institutions, all without any enforced rule of law. I do believe law should be enforced, but not through a monopoly. I do take a libertarian anarchist position, yes. Mr. Libertarian, Murray Rothbard, David Friedman, Andrew Napolitano, and many others are libertarian anarchists. I don’t believe all problems will go away without the government. Indeed other problems could arise, but problems caused by government would go away. > [@Ravenman](#): > > I’m surprised we’ve gotten a couple posts from him without him chiming in how great Russia is, how the Confederacy was right, or how Lincoln was the worst. American. ever. The Russian government is evil, as I’ve said many times. The Confederacy was right about secession and trade, in rhetoric. That’s about it. Lincoln was a mass murderer and dictator. I won’t go into superlatives. > [@septimus](#): > > No! Quit hijacking! 🙂 I thought this thread might be a chance to finally get to the root of **Farnaby** ’s delusions. > > @ **Will** - Don’t prattle about money or economics — we already know how laughably ignorant you are there. I just want to understand your claim that government usurps property rights when everyone knows just the opposite is true: Government is _necessary_ for property rights. > > _ **I assume you’ve never ever read a single book on history or anthropology, no?** _ (Third-grade _Intro to World History_ doesn’t count.) You are correct that I haven’t substantiated that claim adequately. I hope to do so in the future. > [@Ravenman](#): > > Maoists questioned why anyone would need any book other than a little red one. Cultists questioned why anyone would need any book other than the one by the Leader. > > **WF** surely questions why anyone would read anything other than the Ludwig von Mises website. All the answers are there, dude! You guys are really keen observers. Until now the fact that I take a certain ideological point of view was my own little secret. I have always pretended to be a dispassionate voice of pragmatism. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-know-why-i-or-anyone-else-debates-economics-with-willfarnaby/776709.md?page=2)