# I don't like \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ (Sacriledge, I know)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [July 17, 2019, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193 "2019-07-17T02:59:30Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/201 "2019-07-21T10:41:30Z")

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> [@XOldiesJock](#):
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> The Dave Matthews Band. (I concur with the person who mentioned this back on page 1.) He is insanely popular, approaching cult status, among many people for many years now

Really? Damn, I figured DMB’s popularity had peaked back in 2004 or thereabouts. I always figured him as being the Millennial equivalent of Phil Collins or Huey Lewis - mainstream music that everybody liked at the time, but few would miss a couple of decades later.

I concur with your opinion of him; I just didn’t figure there’d still be a large crowd of DMB devotees who’d regard not liking him as a sacrilege. But it sounds like I’m wrong about that.

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/202 "2019-07-21T10:50:35Z")

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> [@K364](#):
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> Isaac Asimov science fiction is dull and stilted.

Absolutely. Could never understand why people liked his fiction. Mediocre plots, and couldn’t create a character you’d care about to save his life. His iconic works were the _Foundation_ and _I, Robot_ trilogies, and both of them sucked donkey balls.

> [@DummyGladHands](#):
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> Disneyland/World. Happiest place on earth my A S S

A World of People Standing In Lines in the Florida Heat.

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**Author:** ![Sangahyando](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Sangahyando](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sangahyando)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/203 "2019-07-21T13:55:42Z")

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> [@Jophiel](#):
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> I like Monty Python and am a fan of Douglas Adams and it feels like Pratchett should be right in my wheelhouse but… nope. Couldn’t get into him at all.

> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Did you start with the first two books? Or read later on in the series? How about Good Omens?
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> Try The Wee Free men or the Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents.

> [@ftg](#):
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> (As to Pratchett: some really good stuff, some “meh” stuff, and a lot of crappy witches/wizards stuff. I don’t count the Librarian as a wizard for obvious reasons.)

For myself (I having been the first in the thread to declare a dislike of Pratchett, and Python) – I greatly like a lot of Adams, though not his entire output. Re Pratchett: I honestly tried, way back, to give a fair shake to a couple of his books (one was, I anyway think, _Guards ! Guards !_ – I’ve forgotten what the other was) – result, a couple of slight chuckles; otherwise, found it all heavy, lumbering, and trying-too-hard-to-be-funny-and-signally-failing-to. I don’t feel inclined to invest further time in trying other parts of the guy’s oeuvre; feeling as I do, that my reaction would probably be the same, as it was to that which I’ve tried already.

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**Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/204 "2019-07-21T22:17:51Z")

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Are you kidding me - _Game of Thrones_ to the effing extreme.  
_yaaaawwwwnnnnn…_

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/205 "2019-07-21T23:39:47Z")

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> [@Sangahyando](#):
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> Re Pratchett: I honestly tried, way back, to give a fair shake to a couple of his books (one was, I anyway think, _Guards ! Guards !_ – I’ve forgotten what the other was) – result, a couple of slight chuckles; otherwise, found it all heavy, lumbering, and trying-too-hard-to-be-funny-and-signally-failing-to. I don’t feel inclined to invest further time in trying other parts of the guy’s oeuvre; feeling as I do, that my reaction would probably be the same, as it was to that which I’ve tried already.

I agree. You’ve tried Pratchett (and _Guards! Guards!_ is highly thought of, AFAICT), his stuff hasn’t done anything for you, and you don’t owe anybody the time and energy to try _their_ favorite Pratchett books. The fact that I love Pratchett, or that **DrDeth** loves Pratchett, isn’t going to cause you to magically love Pratchett if you read the right stuff.

Not everyone is going to like Pratchett, not everyone is going to love Dylan, not everyone is going to think _Lord of the Rings_ is the greatest fantasy tale of all time, even if the thought leaves many of us going, “how could you _not_ like \_\_\_\_?!” That’s just the way we are.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/206 "2019-07-22T00:53:31Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> I agree. You’ve tried Pratchett (and _Guards! Guards!_ is highly thought of, AFAICT), his stuff hasn’t done anything for you, and you don’t owe anybody the time and energy to try _their_ favorite Pratchett books. The fact that I love Pratchett, or that **DrDeth** loves Pratchett, isn’t going to cause you to magically love Pratchett if you read the right stuff.
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> Not everyone is going to like Pratchett, not everyone is going to love Dylan, not everyone is going to think _Lord of the Rings_ is the greatest fantasy tale of all time, even if the thought leaves many of us going, “how could you _not_ like \_\_\_\_?!” That’s just the way we are.

Yep. Altho, to be frank, _Guards! Guards!_ is by no means his best. The earlier you go, the more bad puns and the more strained the humor.

I suggest the _Wee Free men_, one of his teen aimed books, a series of four. Less funny. Or _Good Omens_, or at least try the Amazon series.

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**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/207 "2019-07-24T19:37:38Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Really? Damn, I figured DMB’s popularity had peaked back in 2004 or thereabouts. I always figured him as being the Millennial equivalent of Phil Collins or Huey Lewis - mainstream music that everybody liked at the time, but few would miss a couple of decades later.
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> I concur with your opinion of him; I just didn’t figure there’d still be a large crowd of DMB devotees who’d regard not liking him as a sacrilege. But it sounds like I’m wrong about that.

I happened to sign onto You Tube a couple days ago, and someone was livestreaming a DMB concert! I had no idea he was still performing.

2004? How about 1994? That’s around the time his first album came out, so by now, his original fans are going with their kids. I got that album a few years later, at a thrift store, and to me, the songs on the radio were good and the rest was just filler.

I also don’t understand the devotion for Weezer. I figured they’d be a two-hit wonder (“Buddy Holly” and “The Sweater Song”) and that would be the end of it.

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**Author:** ![Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_Arachnid_Laser_1)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/208 "2019-07-24T21:32:52Z")

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The Mission: Impossible movie franchise.  
I don’t understand all the fans, all the people calling them masterpieces.  
The first one, with DePalma overindulging in nonsensical pulp. I can sort of enjoy in a so-bad-its-good way. The second one, with Woo trying to do a really bad Bond movie, it’s bad, but watchable if you’re having a silly afternoon.  
But the true formula for success didn’t start until J J Abram’s with M:I 3… and that formula is to pretty much eschew the plot and make the whole thing into a compilation of stunts and action scenes with barely some random MacGuffin as an excuse for a plot- and I cannot get into it in any way. It’s absolutely empty calores for me: I don’t care about the characters that have no personality, I don’t care about a story that means nothing… It’s not even silly enough to be mocked.

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**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\
**Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/209 "2019-07-24T22:05:13Z")

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> [@nearwildheaven](#):
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> I happened to sign onto You Tube a couple days ago, and someone was livestreaming a DMB concert! I had no idea he was still performing.
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> 2004? How about 1994? That’s around the time his first album came out, so by now, his original fans are going with their kids. I got that album a few years later, at a thrift store, and to me, the songs on the radio were good and the rest was just filler.

I was a little surprised, because I kind of thought of him as a tail-end of Gen X band (he was popular in my mid-to-later years in college; I was there from '93-'98). But I just looked at the Billboard charts, and _Crash_ (the album I’m most familiar with), made #2 in 1996. But then I lost track of them. Apparently, every single album they’ve made since then has peaked at #1 (these are albums from 1998, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2009, 2012, and 2018).

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**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/210 "2019-07-25T00:14:21Z")

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I am a big fan of Star Trek except for the Original Series with William Shatner. In fact I find it painful to watch Shatner’s “acting”.

I am also a big pro wrestling fan but I think that the original ECW was very over-rated and its fans tend to look back at it through rose-colored glasses.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/211 "2019-07-25T01:50:03Z")

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> [@dorvann](#):
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> I am a big fan of Star Trek except for the Original Series with William Shatner. In fact I find it painful to watch Shatner’s “acting”.
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> …

The best one! And Shatner was actually a excellent actor.

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**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\
**Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-_______-sacriledge-i-know/837193/212 "2019-07-25T02:36:27Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> The best one! And Shatner was actually a excellent actor.

A-MEN. I love Patrick Stewart but have never been able to move on from Star Trek TOS, the original and the best.

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