# I Don't Like Being Called Irrational. \[Just because I do not accept the Theory of Evolution.\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 19, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755 "2013-05-19T19:55:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![FuzzyOgre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@FuzzyOgre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuzzyOgre)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/81 "2013-05-22T00:00:38Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I haven’t personally observed evolution. But I BELIEVE that the many, many scientists who have made the observations on which the theory of evolution is based are basically correct in what they claim to have observed and the interpretations they have drawn. I prefer the phrase “I accept the theory of evolution”. I also accept donations to my paypal account. _rattles tin can_ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/82 "2013-05-22T02:38:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Evolution is not a theory, it is observable fact. This right here is the crux (heh, heh) of the OP’s problem. The OP is using the word _theory_ incorrectly. A scientific theory is not what the Creationists/IDers pretend it is. As noted by other posters upthread, there are other terms such individuals are using incorrectly. Correct usage = correct understanding, IME. ---
**Author:** ![manila](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@manila](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manila)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/83 "2013-05-23T07:01:03Z")
> [@XT](#): > > You guys know that, like Elvis, the OP is no longer in the building…right? 😉 Maybe he’s evolved? ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/84 "2013-05-23T15:01:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > This right here is the crux (heh, heh) of the OP’s problem. The OP is using the word _theory_ incorrectly. A scientific theory is not what the Creationists/IDers pretend it is. As noted by other posters upthread, there are other terms such individuals are using incorrectly. Correct usage = correct understanding, IME. That, and apparently when offered opportunity to grow past his ignorance, he becomes distressed and runs away, still clinging to his familiar beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/85 "2013-05-23T15:03:46Z")
And it’s poor manners, too, when I think about it, to invite people to expend effort on your post and then just abandon it like this. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/86 "2013-05-23T15:36:31Z")
Well, when I was in high school and I had a free period during finals week, my friends and I would just walk across the street to the Jack-in-the-Box or the McDonald’s and shoot the breeze. Today’s kids, I guess, just make a drive-by post. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/87 "2013-05-23T18:02:51Z")
> [@Atarii](#): > > I have no doubt that evolution is false, because the evidence is weak or contradicts known laws. > > The point is not to say that God exists, or creation or intelligent design is true, the point is that you gotta be really arrogant to insult a certain group of people who have one school of thought, when your own theory is so terrible. Please put the shoe on the other foot. Is the evidence for creationism weak or contradicting of known laws? And don’t you have to be more than a little arrogant “to insult a certain group of people who have one school of thought, when your own theory is so terrible.”? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/88 "2013-05-23T19:32:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > This right here is the crux (heh, heh) of the OP’s problem. The OP is using the word _theory_ incorrectly. A scientific theory is not what the Creationists/IDers pretend it is. As noted by other posters upthread, there are other terms such individuals are using incorrectly. Correct usage = correct understanding, IME. Isaac Asimov: “Creationists make it sound as though a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/89 "2013-05-23T20:06:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Isaac Asimov: “Creationists make it sound as though a ‘theory’ is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.” Ummm… [Bubble Universes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse). :dubious: I want what Brian Green’s been smokin’… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/90 "2013-05-23T20:11:57Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Ummm… [Bubble Universes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse). :dubious: > > I want what Brian Green’s been smokin’… 😃 Ummm…who is calling this a scientific theory? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/91 "2013-05-23T20:22:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Ummm…who is calling this a scientific theory? [C’mon now](http://www.ted.com/talks/brian_greene_why_is_our_universe_fine_tuned_for_life.html)… [it’s all the rage](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/science/space/cosmologists-try-to-explain-a-universe-springing-from-nothing.html)… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/92 "2013-05-23T20:24:28Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [C’mon now](http://www.ted.com/talks/brian_greene_why_is_our_universe_fine_tuned_for_life.html)… [it’s all the rage](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/science/space/cosmologists-try-to-explain-a-universe-springing-from-nothing.html)… Once again-Who is calling this a scientific theory? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/93 "2013-05-23T20:31:50Z")
Brian Greene and Lawrence Krauss write and lecture on the subject. If you don’t want to recognize it as a “theory”, okay, call it “pop physics”. It all seems far fetched to me as well, but I’m not in a position to call these guys clowns just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/94 "2013-05-23T20:34:35Z")
Miss May, 4.4 million BC. [http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/ardi-human-ancestor.htm](http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/ardi-human-ancestor.htm) _The 4.4 million-year-old hominid opens up a new chapter on human evolution because “it is as close as we have ever come to finding the last common ancestor of chimpanzees and humans,” project co-director Tim White told Discovery News._ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/95 "2013-05-23T20:39:33Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Brian Greene and Lawrence Krauss write and lecture on the subject. If you don’t want to recognize it as a “theory”, okay, call it “pop physics”. It all seems far fetched to me as well, but I’m not in a position to call these guys clowns just yet. This has got absolutely nothing to do with whether _I_ recognize it as a theory. _You_ brought forward those links as a counter to the Asimov quote about how creationists don’t know what a scientific theory is…and it seems that you don’t, either. ---
**Author:** ![Organized\_Chaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/5e9695/32.png) [@Organized\_Chaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Organized_Chaos)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/96 "2013-05-23T20:40:33Z")
> **[The Truth About Evolution By Duncan Long](http://duncanlong.com/christian/evolut.html)** > [@](#): > > A few scientists are speaking out or noting that this or another assumption behind evolution must be false. One good example of this is the work done by Dr. Michael Denton.(8) > Although Denton is not a creationist, he has been speaking out against many of the assumptions of traditional evolution, making his points from a biochemical standpoint that shows amino acid sequences from species spanning the entire biological world do not support the theory of progressive evolution from one species into another. Denton also disproves the theory of punctuated equilibrium. Denton maintains that the Theory of Evolution will crumble from the shear weight of evidence against it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/97 "2013-05-23T20:47:17Z")
> [@Organized\_Chaos](#): > > [The Truth About Evolution By Duncan Long](http://duncanlong.com/christian/evolut.html) This is from an article titled “The Truth About Evolution” that contains just about every falsehood and inaccuracy about the subject you can imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/98 "2013-05-23T20:59:32Z")
Welcome to the board, **Organized Chaos**. I edited your post to reflect the fact that you seem to have copied and pasted it from a website. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/99 "2013-05-23T21:11:10Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Ummm… [Bubble Universes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse). :dubious: > > I want what Brian Green’s been smokin’… 😃 > [@QuickSilver](#): > > [C’mon now](http://www.ted.com/talks/brian_greene_why_is_our_universe_fine_tuned_for_life.html)… [it’s all the rage](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/science/space/cosmologists-try-to-explain-a-universe-springing-from-nothing.html)… :dubious: What’s your point? > [@Organized\_Chaos](#): > > [The Truth About Evolution By Duncan Long](http://duncanlong.com/christian/evolut.html) I’m not familiar with him, but from the looks of things [Dr Michael Denton](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Denton) is a critic of the standard view of evolution but not a creationist, whose arguments have been hijacked by the creationists for the purpose of supporting their religious fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755/100 "2013-05-23T21:24:14Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] What’s your point? [/QUOTE] I’ll second this. What point is being made here? That super string theory is as speculative as creationism? :dubious: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-being-called-irrational-just-because-i-do-not-accept-the-theory-of-evolution/658755.md?page=6)