# I dont like hilary i dotn like trump either **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 29, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657 "2016-06-29T01:02:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![escaped](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@escaped](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/escaped)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/1 "2016-06-29T01:02:01Z")
neither Hilary nor trump light my fire. I wish we could bring Lincoln back. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/2 "2016-06-29T01:10:32Z")
There are third-party candidates. See if Johnson or Stein interest you. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/3 "2016-06-29T01:14:21Z")
> [@escaped](#): > > neither Hilary nor trump light my fire. I wish we could bring Lincoln back. We’ve been spoiled by Obama. Most races, however, consist of candidates that are pretty average. This year’s POTUS race has one a little above, and one quite far below, the average. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/4 "2016-06-29T01:31:30Z")
We brought Jerry Brown back, and that worked out pretty darn well, overall. One of the best things ever to happen to California. Pity he’s a bit too old to be a Presidential contender. ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/5 "2016-06-29T01:37:57Z")
If Jerry Brown’s too old, what about Lincoln?!😮 ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_Hey_Paula)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/6 "2016-06-29T01:58:16Z")
I’ve been a voter since 1980. Voted in every major election and most minor ones. In all that time there have only been two candidates I liked; the rest of the time I was voting “lesser of two evils.” So, OP, you have to decide which is the lesser of two evils, or if any of the third party candidates appeal to you. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/7 "2016-06-29T02:05:53Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > There are third-party candidates. See if Johnson or Stein interest you. If you want to completely waste your vote. I suggest you rethink what you dislike about Hillary, do some research and see if it’s really true. If you’re worried about Benghazi! ™, don’t be. The longest investigation in Congressional history turned up diddly squat. She’s a centrist Democrat, much like Obama. Since Obama has been an above average president, expect much the same from Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/8 "2016-06-29T02:55:20Z")
Personally I like Clinton a lot and dislike Trump intensely but that is neither here nor there. You are entitled to your on opinion. Assuming that neither lights your fire the question you still have to answer is which one being president, in your assessment, would be better for the country and for the world. If you honestly conclude that they would be of the same consequence then vote for a third party in protest or to make some point. If you think that one is greater risk of harm for our population, for the future of the country, and for the world, then vote accordingly even if neither one excites you. This aint no torrid love affair, it is the future of the planet. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/9 "2016-06-29T03:01:53Z")
Pray that Clinton is recommended for indictment and that Trump gets defeated in a fight at the republican convention (possible IF republicans vote to free their delegates to vote any way they want on the first ballot which is something actually being considered…albeit a longshot). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/10 "2016-06-29T03:16:22Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Pray that Clinton is recommended for indictment and that Trump gets defeated in a fight at the republican convention (possible IF republicans vote to free their delegates to vote any way they want on the first ballot which is something actually being considered…albeit a longshot). Knowing that the Benghazi hearings produced bupkis against Clinton you should realize that the email thing is still not a sure thing, and then if that recommendation does not happen what was the main reason available now to not vote for Clinton goes up in smoke too? Speaking of 3rd party candidates: > **[Libertarian VP Candidate Blows Republicans' Email Hopes To Smithereens](https://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/libertarian-vp-candidate-blows-republicans)** > > Former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld explained why nothing will ever come of the GOP witchhunt. > [@](#): > > But then there was a moment where former Governor Weld shattered Republican dreams and Donald Trump’s talking points about Hillary Clinton’s email. > > Weld changed the topic they were discussing and brought up the whole Hillary email hoo-ha, telling Chuck Todd it is going nowhere. When pressed by Todd on why he thought so, Weld replied, “I’m speaking as a former director of the criminal division of the Justice Department. There’s no criminal intent, and with no criminal intent there’s no indictment.” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/11 "2016-06-29T03:30:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Knowing that the Benghazi hearings produced bupkis against Clinton you should realize that the email thing is still not a sure thing, and then if that recommendation does not happen what was the main reason available now to not vote for Clinton goes up in smoke too? > > Speaking of 3rd party candidates: > > [Libertarian VP Candidate Blows Republicans' Email Hopes To Smithereens | Crooks and Liars](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/05/libertarian-vp-candidate-blows-republicans) Long shots I agree. Benghazi was clearly politically motivated though. As far as I know no law enforcement agency was looking at it. For the emails the FBI has been spending an awful lot of time investigating it and if you have paid attention to recent developments there seems to be reason for Clinton to worry. People at her level (regardless of party) are very, very hard to hold accountable. Again…long shots but this is not over. If she wins watch republicans go to town finding ways to impeach her (they will probably start with the Clinton Foundation). EDIT to add: I will have to look but limited by the edit time I am pretty sure the mishandling of documents does not require criminal intent to be guilty of the crime. Which is to say if you email yourself a top secret document to your AOL account with no intent other than to work on it at home you are still guilty of a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/12 "2016-06-29T03:43:25Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Long shots I agree. > > Benghazi was clearly politically motivated though. As far as I know no law enforcement agency was looking at it. > > For the emails the FBI has been spending an awful lot of time investigating it and if you have paid attention to recent developments there seems to be reason for Clinton to worry. > > People at her level (regardless of party) are very, very hard to hold accountable. > > Again…long shots but this is not over. If she wins watch republicans go to town finding ways to impeach her (they will probably start with the Clinton Foundation). > > EDIT to add: I will have to look but limited by the edit time I am pretty sure the mishandling of documents does not require criminal intent to be guilty of the crime. Which is to say if you email yourself a top secret document to your AOL account with no intent other than to work on it at home you are still guilty of a crime. Thankfully, there is so far, no evidence at all anything like that happened. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/13 "2016-06-29T04:14:46Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Long shots I agree. > > Benghazi was clearly politically motivated though. As far as I know no law enforcement agency was looking at it. > > For the emails the FBI has been spending an awful lot of time investigating it and if you have paid attention to recent developments there seems to be reason for Clinton to worry. Oh like when they told us that hundreds were now investigating? That was poppycock. > **[Washington Post Corrects Faulty Report That Nearly 150 FBI Agents Are...](https://www.mediamatters.org/breitbart-news/washington-post-corrects-faulty-report-nearly-150-fbi-agents-are-investigating)** > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > People at her level (regardless of party) are very, very hard to hold accountable. > > Again…long shots but this is not over. If she wins watch republicans go to town finding ways to impeach her (they will probably start with the Clinton Foundation). > > EDIT to add: I will have to look but limited by the edit time I am pretty sure the mishandling of documents does not require criminal intent to be guilty of the crime. Which is to say if you email yourself a top secret document to your AOL account with no intent other than to work on it at home you are still guilty of a crime. Not sure about that one either. It may be the case sometimes but there is a lot more stretching of what a crime is in this case. > **[Trump is Wrong, Hillary Clinton Shouldn’t Be Charged Based on What We Know Now...](https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/no-hillary-did-not-commit-a-crime-at-least-based-on-what-we-know-today/)** > > The reality as I see it is one that won't entirely satisfy either side -- that based on what we know today, she likely did violate government procedures and rules but not the law. > [@](#): > > As Professor Laurie Levinson explained in the National Law Journal: > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > “Politics aside, it is difficult to find prior cases where the unwise handling of classified information led to a federal indictment. For the last 20 years, the federal statutes have been used when there were intentional unauthorized disclosures. The Department of Justice appears to have gone after ‘leakers,’ but not bunglers.” > > > > ``` > > That is another critical point here. This Espionage Law clearly was never intended to address a Secretary of State using — foolishly or even improperly to maintain her privacy — a personal email server to send and receive emails. Inevitably, this novel use of the law would leave a political stink. Efforts to compare this situation to other cases that have been prosecuted also fail on the facts. > [@](#): > > Even before 2014, however, it seems quite clear that the 2009 language and follow up cables from the State Department indicate she did not adhere to proper protocol. But there is a colossal difference between “wrong,” “improper” or even a regulation violation, and a federal crime. > > Conclusion > > To be clear, none of this means Clinton won’t be charged. There may be a trove of non-public evidence against her about which we simply do not know. It’s also possible that the FBI recommends charges and federal prosecutors decide not to move forward as occurs in many cases. No question, that could create an explosive and politicized showdown. But based on what we do know from what has been made public, there doesn’t seem to be a legitimate basis for any sort of criminal charge against her. I fear many commentators are allowing their analysis to become clouded by a long standing distrust, or even hatred of Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/14 "2016-06-29T04:34:36Z")
> [@Leo\_Krupe](#): > > If Jerry Brown’s too old, what about Lincoln?!😮 Too anti-gun. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/15 "2016-06-29T04:50:50Z")
Get past the superficial images and learn what the candidates are actually likely to do as President. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/16 "2016-06-29T05:41:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Too anti-gun. Lol +1 ---
**Author:** ![Nebulous\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8dc957/32.png) [@Nebulous\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nebulous_1)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/17 "2016-06-29T06:16:24Z")
Hillary has got this in the bag. Granted, she’s no saint but she’s better than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/18 "2016-06-29T07:53:41Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Pray that Clinton is recommended for indictment and that Trump gets defeated in a fight at the republican convention … Oh? And then we get Ted Cruz, the evangelical wingnut whose main legislative agenda is degrading America’s credit rating, versus the one-issue white-haired man whose executive experience was being the mayor of a small town. No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/19 "2016-06-29T11:31:19Z")
> [@escaped](#): > > I wish we could bring Lincoln back. Lincoln was a creation of slavery and civil war, just like any leader is a creation of their times. We are in relative peace and prosperity, believe it or not, and our leaders are not called upon to be better than they are - because we are the ones who do the calling. Either Clinton or Trump \*will \*be the next President. If you think there’s a difference, you have a responsibility as a citizen to act accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/20 "2016-06-29T11:51:00Z")
> [@escaped](#): > > I wish we could bring Lincoln back. While I agree, I’ll point out his real name is Clarence Williams III. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657.md?page=2)