# I dont like  hilary i dotn like trump either

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [June 29, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657 "2016-06-29T01:02:01Z")\
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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/41 "2016-06-30T00:09:52Z")

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He’s not dead. He’s resting.

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**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/42 "2016-06-30T00:10:35Z")

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I saw on the news that 20 % in a poll don’t support Hillary or Trump . I can’t recall which news I saw it on. I bet the number could be higher b/c not everyone took the poll , I didn’t .

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**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/43 "2016-06-30T00:10:37Z")

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> [@Leo\_Krupe](#):
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> If Jerry Brown’s too old, what about Lincoln?!😮

Can’t be elected more than twice (22nd Amendment).

(also, dead)

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**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/44 "2016-06-30T00:10:44Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> I do not like Hillary, I do not like Trump,  
> I do not like them in a house,  
> I do not like them with a mouse,  
> I do not like them here or there,  
> I do not like them anywhere,  
> I do not like green eggs and ham,  
> I do not like them, Sam-I-am.
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> It had to be said.\*
> 
> \*Not really.

Clinton or Trump may not excite  
But here’s a truth you may not like  
One will be the president  
No matter how you may lament  
So cast that vote or you’ll regret  
The one you liked least was better yet

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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/45 "2016-06-30T00:39:55Z")

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> [@Simplicio](#):
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> Can’t be elected more than twice (22nd Amendment).
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> (also, dead)

But Lincoln was president before the 22nd Amendment. Wouldn’t that give him an out? They were going to let Truman run again if he’d chosen to.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/46 "2016-06-30T00:43:56Z")

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The exception applied only to the incumbent at the time of passage. Truman could have run again, but Zombie Lincoln could not.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/47 "2016-06-30T00:48:09Z")

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> [@Siam\_Sam](#):
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> But Lincoln was president before the 22nd Amendment. Wouldn’t that give him an out? They were going to let Truman run again if he’d chosen to.

And he didn’t finish his second term.

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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/48 "2016-06-30T00:50:10Z")

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And indeed, he had barely started his second term. Surely he’s owed a do-over?

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**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/49 "2016-06-30T00:53:16Z")

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> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> He’s not dead. He’s resting.

He’s not resting, he’s passed on. He’s a stiff – bereft of life, he rests in peace! If you hadn’t nailed him into the chair next to Clint Eastwood, he would be pushing up daisies! He is an EX-President!

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**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/50 "2016-06-30T02:33:26Z")

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Did no one remember [someone named Lincoln](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee) _did_ run for president this cycle?

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/51 "2016-06-30T02:53:47Z")

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> [@glowacks](#):
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> Did no one remember [someone named Lincoln](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee) _did_ run for president this cycle?

Something about him rubbed me the wrong way. He was kinda irritating.

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**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/52 "2016-06-30T03:40:42Z")

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> [@glowacks](#):
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> Did no one remember [someone named Lincoln](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Chafee) _did_ run for president this cycle?

> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Something about him rubbed me the wrong way. He was kinda irritating.

Boys, you’re gonna drive me to drinkin’ if you don’t stop enticing that Cape Cod [Lincoln](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjfPQnGpIjY)… :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\
**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/53 "2016-06-30T07:48:53Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> And he didn’t finish his second term.

The wording of the amendment just says you can’t be elected more than twice. So it doesn’t matter that he didn’t get much of his second term. And as **Siam Sam** said, the Amendment applies to elections prior to its passage, with the exception of the President when its actually passed (i.e. Truman).

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**Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/54 "2016-06-30T10:56:30Z")

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> [@purplehearingaid](#):
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> I saw on the news that 20 % in a poll don’t support Hillary or Trump . I can’t recall which news I saw it on. I bet the number could be higher b/c not everyone took the poll , I didn’t .

“not everyone took the poll” is sorta a basic tenet in polling, right?

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**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/55 "2016-07-01T01:57:59Z")

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And some would say he’s a little moldy himself.

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**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/56 "2016-07-01T02:46:41Z")

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> [@purplehearingaid](#):
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> I saw on the news that 20 % in a poll don’t support Hillary or Trump . I can’t recall which news I saw it on. I bet the number could be higher b/c not everyone took the poll , I didn’t .

You don’t understand how a poll works. Just because you weren’t asked would have made no difference.

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**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/57 "2016-07-01T02:53:24Z")

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> [@escaped](#):
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> neither Hilary nor trump light my fire. I wish we could bring Lincoln back.

I hear a lot of comments like this, and my reaction boils down to this:

Tough shit. I’m not thrilled with either one, but those are our choices. Pick one, vote for a minor party candidate, or sit out the election.

Part of the price of being a grownup is having to choose between two things we don’t like.

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**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/58 "2016-07-01T05:20:20Z")

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I still say we should ram a Constitutional Amendment through the state legislatures and draft Arnold Schwarzenegger to run as an independent/unity candidate. People think I’m making a weird joke, but I think it’s theoretically workable. Schwarzenegger may be a goon, but he’s not malicious, which is more than I can say for Trump. And in a race between two notorious unlikable weirdos running on their notoriety, a Hollywood superstar is a, well, higher ranking card.

I guess I’m voting for Jill Stein as things stand now, and I can tell you I’m just thrilled about it. :dubious: I watched a Green party presidential candidate debate on…RT? I think it was RT. Wow, looks like Dr. Stein really is the best speaker they have.

[sarcasm] Clearly a party ready for massive executive responsibility. [/sarcasm]

Still, not blatantly giving America a Bronx cheer from the pocket of Lloyd Blankfein, which is more than I can say for either Clinton or Trump. And maybe giving power to a bunch of idealistic pacifist locavores could accomplish…something?

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**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/59 "2016-07-01T05:33:48Z")

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> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> If you want to completely waste your vote. I suggest you rethink what you dislike about Hillary, do some research and see if it’s really true. If you’re worried about Benghazi! ™, don’t be. The longest investigation in Congressional history turned up diddly squat. She’s a centrist Democrat, much like Obama. Since Obama has been an above average president, expect much the same from Hillary.

Hillary Clinton blatantly changes her opinions based on what makes her family more money. If you are willing to pay her more money than Goldman Sachs has (this means you have to give her a cool million), or you coincidentally have the same opinions and interests as Lloyd Blankfein and/or Jamie Dimon, then yes, she’s your girl. Otherwise, eh, not so much.

Vote for her if you want, but keep your head down and hope no billionaires want to steal (or poison) your water supply or your neighborhood badly enough to buy her off.

Note that Trump is, most likely, no better, and in some ways much worse.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2016, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-like-hilary-i-dotn-like-trump-either/758657/60 "2016-07-01T06:15:35Z")

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Don’t worry, you’ll get over the Bernie separation loss eventually…

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