# I don't normally Pit news stories **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 17, 2006, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075 "2006-04-17T22:38:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/21 "2006-04-18T12:33:55Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > Whatever dude. > > My response was more to those on the boards that seem to think if you support killing murders and rapists for their crimes, that somehow you’re just as bad a person. As experienced in previous outrage threads. Personally, I feel this guy should be tortured on Pay-Per-Vue. You would pay to see an other person tortured? You say some people may call you a maniac? I wonder why? > [@](#): > > But I do not in not in anyway support killing someone whom is innocent of their accused crimes. Only those that are 100% guilty of these types of crimes. There is no hope for people like this. Ahh you’re only interested in the guilty ones. Is not everyone who is found guilty, 100% guilty? That is what the system is meant to be about after all, beyond reasonable doubt and all that. Judgments are handed down by %age. As to the fucker who carried out such an act I hope that he is removed from society for the rest of his life and enjoys little or no comfort for the rest of his miserable life. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/22 "2006-04-18T12:35:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Judgments are handed down by %age. Judgments are **n’t** handed down by %age. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/23 "2006-04-18T13:00:18Z")
It has also been revealed that the accused murderer/cannibalism enthusiast was a long-time employee at a Carl’s Jr. restaurant. You can’t _buy_ publicity like that. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/24 "2006-04-18T13:05:16Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > Judgments are handed down by %age. Ahhh, the Texas defense… “every other place makes mistakes, but all our convicts are guilty.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/25 "2006-04-18T13:43:25Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > But somehow I’m a maniac if I say this. Maybe not a maniac, but a moron. Or sadly misinformed. Public executions have the effect of raising violent crime, not reducing it. That’s why executions are private these days. Law enforcement officials recognized this long ago. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/26 "2006-04-18T14:38:49Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Maybe not a maniac, but a moron. Or sadly misinformed. > > Public executions have the effect of raising violent crime, not reducing it. That’s why executions are private these days. Law enforcement officials recognized this long ago. This raises an interesting question. I should probably start a new thread in GD, but I think tangents should be explored where they arise. I am against the death penalty. Not because I am against killing crazed fuckers like the one in the OP, but because I am aware of the flaws in our criminal justice system. As a person who is against the death penalty I have often thought that I should be enforced in the most public way possible. The fact that it is done in private, behind closed doors, allows people to ignore what we as a society are doing. By making it public we force everyone to accept responsibility. When mistakes come to light after the fact, no one can absolve themselves by claiming they had no involvement. If we as a society want to execute people, we as a society should be willing to watch it. If we are not willing to watch it, maybe we should not be doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/27 "2006-04-18T14:39:07Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Yes, you are. Who else would pay to watch a man being tortured? Ironically, other people much like himself. Plus **ParentalAdvisory**. Recreational outrage seems to be a popular hobby around here, though this is the first time I’ve seen someone call for torture as a form of entertainment. Anyway, why isn’t anyone talking about the real injustice here? They stopped him from cannibalizing her. I mean, hello, there are starving children in India! Let’s not waste food. What exactly did he have on the web? Is this like fictional pieces about raping, murdering, and eating children? Or are we talking a personal ad like that German guy put up? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/28 "2006-04-18T14:46:03Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > Yes, you are. Who else would pay to watch a man being tortured? If the option were offered, I’m sure you would be appalled at the response. I would bet that fully 20-30 percent of the population would pay up. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/29 "2006-04-18T14:55:12Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > By making it public we force everyone to accept responsibility. That’s a nice hypothesis, but I believe the reality is far different. The reality is that public bloodlust tends to breed public bloodlust. I’m going to see if I can find a cite for that. I’m not confident that I’ll be able to. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/30 "2006-04-18T15:08:29Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > If stuff like this makes you finally stop and think (about the DP I presume) I have to wonder what was lacking in all the other news stories over the past 30 years like this. > > I can’t imagine anyone being able to come up with some sort of defense for this worthless peice of shit, but I’m sure we’ll see it. Not from me, you won’t. I have no sympathy or compassion for this SOB. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/31 "2006-04-18T15:35:52Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Sadly, the people that think that don’t realize none of us calling for the death penalty have a shocking lack of young corpses hidden in our closets. Poorly worded posts, much? :dubious: 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/32 "2006-04-18T15:37:06Z")
> [@Lissa](#): > > From what I’ve heard, they have to have evidence that some kind of crime was comitted. Two little boys recently went missing in Milwuakee, and the authorites wouldn’t issue an Amber Alert because though the two were studious, obedient children, there was no evidence they had been abducted. (It turned out the two boys had drowned in a nearby pond.) Did they _drown_? Or, were they _drowned_? Big difference… ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/33 "2006-04-18T15:43:39Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Did they _drown_? Or, were they _drowned_? > > Big difference… Sorry. Autorities believe that one boy fell in and the other died while trying to rescue him. They were not intentially drowned. . . . The boys did drown on their own. (Aw, jeeze . . … how do you word that?) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/34 "2006-04-18T15:51:46Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > If the option were offered, I’m sure you would be appalled at the response. > > I would bet that fully 20-30 percent of the population would pay up. Oh, yes, you might be right. But I don’t have that high an opinion of the human race, anyway. There has been no place or time when a government, for instance, had any issue finding plenty of volunteers to torture, massacre, etc… This is quite telling. Now, if we could somehow find a way to get rid of these 20-30%… ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/35 "2006-04-18T16:43:32Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > Ahh you’re only interested in the guilty ones. Is not everyone who is found guilty, 100% guilty? That is what the system is meant to be about after all, beyond reasonable doubt and all that. Judgments aren’t handed down by %age. Ok, I guess I didn’t make that point clear. I mean 100% factually guilty, evidence proves you did it kind of guilty. And the dumbass even said something like, “I did it. I chopped her up. She’s in the closet”, or something like that, to authorities when they arrived to his apartment. That’s the kind of guilty I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/36 "2006-04-18T17:10:06Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > Ok, I guess I didn’t make that point clear. I mean 100% factually guilty, evidence proves you did it kind of guilty. And the dumbass even said something like, “I did it. I chopped her up. She’s in the closet”, or something like that, to authorities when they arrived to his apartment. That’s the kind of guilty I’m talking about. Yeah, but even then, you run into legal problems defining the difference between reasonable doubt and shadow of a doubt. There’s a young man on death row right now that confessed to a murder, and yet his confession is highly suspect. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/37 "2006-04-18T18:00:02Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I am against the death penalty. Not because I am against killing crazed fuckers like the one in the OP, but because I am aware of the flaws in our criminal justice system. I agree with this. The option of the DP also opens up another flaw in the system. If you are convicted of a heinous crime you did not commit and get the DP, every detail of your case will be reviewed for years to come. If you are convicted of a heinous crime you did not commit and get life w/o parole, you are thrown into a cell and forgotten. Back in October, the NY Times did a series of articles about this - to some convicts, life w/o parole is worse than the DP. To the truly innocent, the DP means a much better chance of being cleared. To the guilty, it means there is an end in sight. Assuming he’s guilty as sin, there is no reason for any person like this to ever take a breath again. However, getting to that point consumes far more resources than he is worth. Convict, throw him in a dark hole, and forget about him. Do whatever it takes so that he doesn’t become a death row celebrity like Gacy and Bundy. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/38 "2006-04-18T18:17:36Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > Anyone who gets outraged by this story is clearly insane. How could anybody wish the death penalty on this man? Anyone who supports it, is obviously on the same level as him. Clearly he needs rehabilitation, so he can get back on his feet and be a productive member of society again. It probably wasn’t his fault anyway. Try not to choke on all that straw. I guess this needs to be said over and over again: people who oppose the death penalty _do not feel sorry for the perpetrators_. Fucking NOBODY espouses the moronic viewpoints in your bullshit post. The reason people oppose the DP is very simple… **it’s because we have no way to ensure that we don’t kill an innocent person**. As long as we don’t have that assurance it is ethically unsound to institute the policy. We know that there are profound inequities in our legal system. We know that we have put dozens of innocent people on death row already. It is fucking IMMORAL to support a penalty which we all know MUST kill innocent people (and let the guilty ones go free, by the way). It’s also a penalty which offers society no greater protection than life imprisonment and serves only to feed the basest, most unworthy impulses humanity has to offer. It’s murder for entertainment. Yes Murder. For entertainment. It serves no other purpose and the public indifference to the possibility of error is _almost_ as depraved as the scumbag in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/39 "2006-04-18T18:23:00Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > Ok, I guess I didn’t make that point clear. I mean 100% factually guilty, evidence proves you did it kind of guilty. So you want a different standard of evidence for death penalty cases? Don’t you have any confidence in the reasonable doubt standard? If you can’t prove a DP to the “100%” standard, do we let the guy go? What about equal protection? How can you have different standards of proof for different people? We’re constitutionally mandated to treat everyone the same. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075/40 "2006-04-18T18:25:01Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > Just for the record, it takes up far less resources to lock someone up for the rest of their life than to execute them. A capital case usually costs at least double what lifetime incarceration does. True. Even so, I find it reprehensible that in the end, people want justice tobe dispensed by accountants. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-normally-pit-news-stories/353075.md?page=3)