# I don't think Aaron Shock (R-IL) is going to survive the endless scandal news **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 2, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018 "2015-03-02T15:52:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/21 "2015-03-04T05:29:09Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Not every member of the GOP supports every part of the platform. Where is the cite that the Congressman himself is anti-gay? [You must have missed it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsqSF1HQ1LE) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/22 "2015-03-04T05:32:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [You must have missed it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsqSF1HQ1LE) You mean like this dude? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/N6K9dS9wl7U/hqdefault.jpg "Barack Obama on Gay Marriage") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U) ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/23 "2015-03-04T05:36:58Z")
[quote=“D\_Anconia, post:22, topic:714018”] You mean like this dude? [/QUOTE] Ohhhhh! Gotcha! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/24 "2015-03-04T05:45:59Z")
[quote=“D\_Anconia, post:22, topic:714018”] You mean like this dude? [/QUOTE] When did the discussion shift focus? Or is that blur you ducking and weaving? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/25 "2015-03-04T05:50:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > When did the discussion shift focus? Or is that blur you ducking and weaving? Was Obama’s statement anti-gay, or not? It was almost, word for word, the same as the Congressman’s statement. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/26 "2015-03-04T05:56:03Z")
[quote=“D\_Anconia, post:22, topic:714018”] You mean like this dude? [/QUOTE] In 2008. [In 2012.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/) > [@](#): > > ABC broke into its daytime lineup May 9, 2012, to announce a historic shift: the president of the United States declaring his personal support for gay marriage. > > “I’ve been going through an evolution on this issue,” President Barack Obama told ABC News. > > On Wednesday, by contrast, he said: “I’ve just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married.” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/27 "2015-03-04T05:59:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > In 2008. > [In 2012.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/) So he was against it, before he was for it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/28 "2015-03-04T06:02:03Z")
Life is change. How it differs from the rocks. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/29 "2015-03-04T06:06:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > So he was against it, before he was for it? What’s that got to do with the topic of the thread? Maybe Schock will change his mind. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/30 "2015-03-04T06:07:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Life is change. How it differs from the rocks. It didn’t work out so well for John Kerry, did it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/31 "2015-03-04T06:12:51Z")
[From here.](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/01/07/no-schock-in-gay-gossip/) > [@](#): > > Schock has consistently gone against measures supported by the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community. He has supported an amendment to the Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. He opposed President Obama’s 2011 decision to not defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) against court challenge. Schock voted against the 2010 repeal of the ban on gay men and lesbians serving openly in the armed forces. And he voted against the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Schock’s voting record is so anti-gay that he earned a zero percent rating from the Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest LGBT rights organization. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/32 "2015-03-04T06:18:54Z")
Yes, but what about Hillary? And Marcus Pinkerton from Bakersfield, California? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/33 "2015-03-04T16:32:11Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It didn’t work out so well for John Kerry, did it? Last time I saw that many Dodges, it was a car dealership. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/34 "2015-03-04T17:31:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Neither one of those “cites” are legitimate, and you’re hurting my browser. Here, rub [some](http://www.salon.com/2014/01/06/the_bizarre_quasi_outing_of_aaron_schock/) [of](http://www.salon.com/2014/01/16/the_new_york_timess_piece_on_aaron_schocks_quasi_outing_never_mentions_aaron_schock/) [this](http://www.salon.com/2015/02/27/aaron_schocks_troubles_mount_gop_congressman_didnt_report_gifts_and_meals_in_london/) on it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/35 "2015-03-04T17:40:51Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Was Obama’s statement anti-gay, or not? It was almost, word for word, the same as the Congressman’s statement. I love it when reactionary right-wingers like yourself try to play a “gotcha” by presenting a liberal politician expressing anti-gay sentiment. Like we’re suddenly going to say, “Well, it’s not bigotry when someone who supports food stamps says it!” Barrack Obama has been a homophobe for most of his political career, or at least has been willing to play the role of one for political gain, which works out to about the same thing in my book. The Democratic party as a whole has never been an ally to the gay rights movement. They have, at best, been less of an impediment than the Republicans. This in no way excuses the ingrained bigotry of the Republican party against homosexuals, and no amount of half-assed tu quoques on your part will change that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/36 "2015-03-04T17:50:49Z")
I’m going to offer an opinion, which is to say, can’t prove diddly squat. But I think they were caught off guard by how quickly things changed. At what point, perzackly, did support for gay equality stop being political suicide? I don’t know either, but it wasn’t that long ago… I think the reactionaries inadvertently helped. Back when gay marriage first started to be noticed, they ran to the internet to show us the shock and horror of gay marriages. Hey, that middle aged woman looks kinda like Aunt Esther, nothing scary about Aunt Esther. And that guy, looks a lot like Fred from Accounting. Wait, that _is_ Fred from Accounting!.. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/37 "2015-03-05T04:26:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Barrack Obama has been a homophobe for most of his political career, or at least has been willing to play the role of one for political gain, which works out to about the same thing in my book. Did you vote for him, twice? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/38 "2015-03-05T06:28:13Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Did you vote for him, twice? Of course I did. What’s my alternative? The Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![CGav8r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@CGav8r](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CGav8r)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/39 "2015-03-05T12:12:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I love it when reactionary right-wingers like yourself try to play a “gotcha” by presenting a liberal politician expressing anti-gay sentiment. Like we’re suddenly going to say, “Well, it’s not bigotry when someone who supports food stamps says it!” > > Barrack Obama has been a homophobe for most of his political career, or at least has been willing to play the role of one for political gain, which works out to about the same thing in my book. The Democratic party as a whole has never been an ally to the gay rights movement. They have, at best, been less of an impediment than the Republicans. This in no way excuses the ingrained bigotry of the Republican party against homosexuals, and no amount of half-assed tu quoques on your part will change that. I’d be incredibly surprised if you can find pro-LBGTQ legislation that wasn’t put forth by a Democrat. While a Dem put forth DADT in hopes that homosexuals could serve and wouldn’t be asked about their sexual preference (it didn’t work out that way), another Dem opened up the military for gays & lesbians to serve openly. Pres Obama has done LOADS more for LBGTQ people than any other president. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018/40 "2015-03-05T15:51:53Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Maybe he just believes, correctly, that so-called hate crime laws are silly pandering. Nope. He has never to the best of my knowledge (if you’ve got a cite to the contrary, by all means post it) called for the repeal of hate crime laws in general, just specifically targeted Teh Gayz as outsiders. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-aaron-shock-r-il-is-going-to-survive-the-endless-scandal-news/714018.md?page=3)