# I don't think I can say this in the Elections forum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 10, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297 "2016-11-10T00:33:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/201 "2016-11-11T15:54:45Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > You know what would be great? If everyone who voted for Trump yesterday committed suicide today. Every single one of them. Reported ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/202 "2016-11-11T15:56:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Reported This has already received moderator action. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/203 "2016-11-11T18:23:58Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > This has already received moderator action. Clothalump is moving rather slowly. I can just imagine his career in law enforcement–lots of doughnuts! (One of my long-dead grandfathers was a policeman Up North. An uncle & cousin had careers in the FBI–back when that was a respectable agency.) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/204 "2016-11-11T18:36:38Z")
FWIW, Politifact has nixed the KKK story as [untrue.](http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/nov/09/viral-image/viral-image-debunked-kkk-was-not-marching-north-ca/) ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/205 "2016-11-11T18:49:29Z")
Oh, that might be a different story about a KKK parade than the one mentioned upthread. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/206 "2016-11-11T18:57:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, what happened to the safeguard position of “I’ll vote for Trump as a protest, but even if he wins, congress will keep him in check”. By that strategy, people voting for Trump should also have been voting Democrat for their Senate/House races. > > As a minor additional note, I’m somewhat baffled by people who say voting for Trump was a vote for change. Isn’t that “change” in the sense of “change things back to how I remember the 1950s, or at least how I _picture_ the 1950s.” It’s not “change” in the sense of “we have new knowledge and technologies available to us, and a new understanding of the potential of the individual, so let’s change _and update_ the political process to reflect these new opportunities.” 1950s, hell - 1890s robber barons more like. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/207 "2016-11-11T19:33:49Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > FWIW, Politifact has nixed the KKK story as [untrue.](http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/nov/09/viral-image/viral-image-debunked-kkk-was-not-marching-north-ca/) The parade is planned for December. The official Klan sanctioned victory parade. > **[Ku Klux Klan announces Trump victory parade in North Carolina](https://www.wqad.com/article/news/local/drone/8-in-the-air/ku-klux-klan-announces-trump-victory-parade-in-north-carolina/526-3399b338-3cd1-4d4d-b170-854669432bbf)** > > Earlier this year, Trump received an endorsement from the Imperial Wizard of the Rebel Brigade of the Ku Klux Klan. Ku Klux Klan announces Trump victory parade in North Carolina Posted 9:48 am, November 11, 2016, by Tory Brecht PELHAM, N.C. – A chapter of the Ku Klux Klan says it will hold a victory parade in North Carolina to celebrate Donald Trump’s win over Hillary Clinton this week. The Loyal White Knights are planning the parade for December 3, according to a post on the Pelham, N.C., group’s website advertising a “Victory Klavalkade Klan Parade.” No exact time or place is specified, just the date and the message, “TRUMP=TRUMP’S RACE UNITED MY PEOPLE.” The Loyal White Knights number between 150 and 200 members, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and were behind a rally in South Carolina last year to protest the removal of the Confederate flag from the state Capitol building. Earlier this year, Trump received an endorsement from the Imperial Wizard of the Rebel Brigade of the Ku Klux Klan during an interview with WWBT. He’s also been endorsed by David Duke, the former leader of the KKK, who celebrated Trump’s win on Twitter ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/208 "2016-11-11T20:39:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So where do they pick up 8 more Republican senators? {…} They don’t need eight more Republican senators, they just need a majority that will vote “yea”. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > {…} the senate seems to be trending democratic over time. - Your faith that a _D_emocrat(ic;)ly) controlled Congress\* is somehow immune to the passage of well intended, but in the end really bad, legislation . . . lets just say it amuses me.“You see, in our two-party system, the Republicans are the party of no ideas and the Democrats are the party of bad ideas. It usually goes something like this. A Democrat will stand up in Congress and say, ‘I’ve got a really bad idea.’ And a Republican will immediately jump to his feet and declare, ‘And I can make it shittier.’” Lewis “Do you like my goatee?” Black_And here I thought the Congress_ was always intended to be a _d_emocratic bicameral body . . . even before the _D_emocratic Republican Party existed! 😉 _Remember kids, the House of Representatives and the Senate are collectively called the “Congress”._ \*These digressions were brought to you by _Schoolhouse Posts_! CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/209 "2016-11-11T20:43:56Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The Loyal White Knights number between 150 and 200 members, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and were behind a rally in South Carolina last year to protest the removal of the Confederate flag from the state Capitol building. Out of a country of 330 million, that doesn’t seem too bad. I suggest the day they march, fans of (for example) _Twilight_ do that same, in full cosplay, down the same streets. Surely you can scare up at least 400 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/210 "2016-11-11T21:54:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The official Klan sanctioned victory parade. For the record, there is no such thing as “the” Klan. The three major national Klan groups were broken up by the SPLC in the 1970s and 80s or fractured. All that’s left now is a loose confederation of warring tribes, most of which number no more than a few dozen members. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/211 "2016-11-11T23:24:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Look, I’m as shocked as anyone that a “_hurrrh-durrrh yay Trump! DERP!_” thread started by you produces something resembling intelligent discussion, and I realize how disorienting and alienating that must be to you in particular, but let’s just keep calm and try to ride it out, shall we? Yeah, you’re right. “Trump supporters are stupid and need to be educated so they can see the glorious light!” is super intelligent discussion. Why didn’t I see it before? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/212 "2016-11-11T23:27:32Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Yeah, you’re right. “Trump supporters are stupid and need to be educated so they can see the glorious light!” is super intelligent discussion. Why didn’t I see it before? :rolleyes: You’re listening to the wrong side of the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/213 "2016-11-11T23:35:50Z")
By the way, after thinking this over, I’ve decided maybe a little schadenfreude is good for the soul. In that vein, Trump looks fucking terrified to be President. You may have not figured out yet that he has no fucking clue what he’s doing, but it’s clearly sinking in for him. Let’s see how long it takes for everyone else to figure it out. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/214 "2016-11-12T00:39:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > For the record, there is no such thing as “the” Klan. The three major national Klan groups were broken up by the SPLC in the 1970s and 80s or fractured. All that’s left now is a loose confederation of warring tribes, most of which number no more than a few dozen members. I’m not interested in quibbling over details. I really don’t give a damn about the “niceties”. They are all scumbags. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/215 "2016-11-12T00:50:12Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > By the way, after thinking this over, I’ve decided maybe a little schadenfreude is good for the soul. In that vein, Trump looks fucking terrified to be President. You may have not figured out yet that he has no fucking clue what he’s doing, but it’s clearly sinking in for him. Let’s see how long it takes for everyone else to figure it out. > > Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk For one thing, he can’t just run around yelling “you’re fired”. The House and Senate don’t HAVE to obey him (though it’s always party before country so don’t get too hopeful). He also has a lot of really hateful (but hopefully impossible) promises to deliver on. Let’s see NOW what happens when his bills come due with Putin. You Do know the Russians are now admitting the “had a little something” to do with all the Wikileaks and “email” shit, and admitted they had contact with his campaign people ALL ALONG. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-184ab22d218e\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-184ab22d218e_story.html) > [@](#): > > MOSCOW — Russian government officials conferred with members of Donald Trump’s campaign team, a senior Russian diplomat said Thursday, a disclosure that could reopen scrutiny of the Kremlin’s role in the president-elect’s bitter race against Hillary Clinton. > > The statement came from Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, who said in an interview with the state-run Interfax news agency that “there were contacts” with the Trump team. > > “Obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage,” Ryabkov said. > > “We have just begun to consider ways of building dialogue with the future Donald Trump administration and channels we will be using for those purposes,” Ryabkov was quoted as saying. > > Ryabkov provided no further details, and his remarks drew a swift denial from Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks, who said the campaign had “no contact with Russian officials” before Tuesday’s election. > **[Podesta suggests Trump campaign in cahoots with the Russians](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/12/trump-campaign-had-advance-warning-russian-backed-wikileaks-dump/91931602/)** > > The most recent Wikileaks release consists of apparent hacked emails from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. > [@](#): > > More than 5,000 of Podesta’s electronic communications have been released since the first round of the recent Wikileaks document drops. > > “I’ve been involved in politics for nearly five decades. And this definitely is the first campaign that I’ve been involved with in which I’ve had to tangle with Russian Intelligence agencies,” Podesta told reporters on board Clinton’s campaign plane. They “seem to be doing everything they can on behalf of our opponent,” Podesta added. > > Podesta pointed to Trump adviser Roger Stone, who claimed in August to be in touch with Wikileaks founder Julian Assange and who repeatedly tweeted about the coming email release in recent months, as evidence of a link between the campaign and the hackers. > … > Podesta speculates that Russian operatives released the hacked emails to sway the election in Trump’s favor because, “they’ve found somebody who essentially has adopted lock, stock and barrel the Putin foreign policy.” Podesta also cites “Mr. Trump’s deep engagement and ties with Russian interests in his business affairs,” as another possible explanation. > > “We don’t know, we can’t be certain why the Russian government seems to be trying to interfere in this election in favor of Mr. Trump, but we do know that is in fact what has been going on, the hacks, the leaks, and the ongoing support for one side of this campaign,” said Podesta. > > He also speculated that the Wikileaks releases have been timed to try and distract voters from the recording which surfaced Friday of Trump making sexually explicit and aggressive comments about women. > > “It wasn’t any coincidence, I think, that within minutes of the Access Hollywood tape coming out, they decided that this was their countermove,” Podesta said. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/216 "2016-11-12T01:01:49Z")
Don’t forget about how he’s already walking back on his campaign promise to repeal Obamacare. Because he talked to Obama and admitted he had some good points. Lol. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/217 "2016-11-12T01:28:02Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Ku Klux Klan announces Trump victory parade in North Carolina > Posted 9:48 am, November 11, 2016, by Tory Brecht > > PELHAM, N.C. – A chapter of the Ku Klux Klan says it will hold a victory parade in North Carolina to celebrate Donald Trump’s win over Hillary Clinton this week. > > The Loyal White Knights are planning the parade for December 3, according to a post on the Pelham, N.C., group’s website advertising a “Victory Klavalkade Klan Parade.” > > No exact time or place is specified, just the date and the message, “TRUMP=TRUMP’S RACE UNITED MY PEOPLE.” > > The Loyal White Knights number between 150 and 200 members, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and were behind a rally in South Carolina last year to protest the removal of the Confederate flag from the state Capitol building. Isn’t this a political landmine? I mean, he’s gonna get asked about. And he’s gotta distance himself from them, right? Seems like the best thing he can do for himself is to really piss these people off. That or have Ben Carson go down there to represent him for the parade. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/218 "2016-11-12T01:42:55Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Isn’t this a political landmine? I mean, he’s gonna get asked about. And he’s gotta distance himself from them, right? Seems like the best thing he can do for himself is to really piss these people off. That or have Ben Carson go down there to represent him for the parade. Would he suddenly start caring now to be associated with racists? He hasn’t seemed to mind yet. I am wildly curious to find out how closely his Presidency matches up with his campaign image. It’s as if a literal 12 year old is about to take office… if you can remove yourself from the horror, you develop a sort of morbid fascination. Or maybe thirteen year old, cuz mood swings and puberty are a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/219 "2016-11-12T01:55:16Z")
I don’t see any political or personal reason he would give them the time of day. ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297/220 "2016-11-12T02:30:45Z")
As a matter of interest, has Donald Trump previously been elected to any office ever? I think he has not, but being a foreign person, I could be wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-dont-think-i-can-say-this-in-the-elections-forum/771297.md?page=12)